Tom Froemming Twins Daily Contributor Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 Jake Odorizzi didn’t survive the second inning, as the Rangers got to him for six runs, and the Twins couldn’t recover. They did manage to make things interesting in the end, but couldn’t complete what would’ve been an epic comeback as Logan Morrison struck out with the bases loaded.Snapshot (chart via FanGraphs)Jake Odorizzi: 21 Game Score, 1.2 IP, 6 ER, 3 K, 1 BB, 65.0% strikesBullpen: 7.1 IP, 3 ER, 9 K, 1 BBLineup: 2-for-9 w/RISP, 8 LOBTop three per WPA: Rosario .204, Garver .057, Dozier .054Download attachment: WinEx623.png The Twins jumped out to an early lead thanks to an Eddie Rosario two-run homer in the first, but Texas scored nine unanswered runs. Morrison blasted a two-run homer of his own in the sixth inning, and the Twins actually had the game-tying run on base in the ninth. You don’t give up six runs before you can record six outs all because of bad luck, but the way Texas got to Odorizzi does seem a little fluky. Three of their six hits came on balls that had a hit probability of less than 50 percent, per Baseball Savant. That includes their only extra-base hit, a double. It’s not like Odorizzi pitched himself into trouble, as he had a very strong strike percentage of 65, but the Rangers were racking up hits on pitches outside of the zone.Matt Magill surrendered three runs in his 3 1/3 innings of work, but the rest of the bullpen managed to stop the bleeding. Ryan Pressly, Addison Reed, Zach Duke and Trevor Hildenberger all pitched a scoreless inning. Mitch Garver, Ryan LaMarre and Joe Mauer strung together consecutive one-out singles in the ninth inning and Rosario drove in a pair of runs on a double. Eduardo Escobar struck out on five pitches before Brian Dozier drew a walk to load the bases. Morrison, representing the winning run, went down swinging to end it, but let’s hope that positive offensive finish carries over to tomorrow. Garver had three hits and Mauer, Rosario and LaMarre all had two hits each. Jurickson Profar was hit by a pitch in three of his plate appearances today, causing Texas manager Jeff Bannister to shout across the field over to the Twins dugout. The Rangers did not retaliate, but there’s always tomorrow. UPDATEAfter the game, it was announced the Twins were sending a pitcher down. No, not Matt Belisle, who's been terrible, or Matt Magill, who threw 60 pitches today. It's Fernando Romero. No corresponding move has been announced at the moment.Postgame with MolitorBullpen UsageHere’s a quick look at the number of pitches thrown by the bullpen over the past five days:Download attachment: Bullpen623.png AL Central StandingsCLE 41-33DET 36-40 (-6)MIN 33-40 (-7.5)CHW 25-51 (-17)KC 23-52 (-18.5) Next Three GamesSun vs. TEX, 1:10 pm CT: Jose Berrios vs Bartolo ColonMon OFFTue at CHW, 7:10 pm CT: TBDWed at CHW, 7:10 pm CT: TBD Last Three GamesTEX 8, MIN 1: Circling the DrainBOS 9, MIN 2: There Go Those Shiny Pitching StatsMIN 4, BOS 1: For Grossman and Kepler, The Price Was Right Click here to view the article glunn 1
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 The Romero news sucks. wsnydes 1
Danchat Old-Timey Member Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 Yikes... Texas is clearly hot right now (7 straight wins), but something's wrong with Odorizzi. First 11 starts: 3.34 ERALast 5 starts: 9.90 ERA Maybe a trip to the DL would help? As a professional armchair GM, here's the moves I would make:DFA Belisle, Wilson, Grossman. DL Odorizzi if something is wrong with him.Call up Busenitz, Rupp (added to 40 man), Cave, and Duffey (if Odor on DL). When Odorizzi's spot in the rotation comes around again, option Duffey back for Mejia/Slegers (whoever's rested at that point). Other: Morrison is nearing the point where I would give up on him. He's getting DFA'd / traded for cash in a couple weeks if he isn't hitting better. Motter will be DFA'd when Polanco arrives. bighat and DocBauer 2
wsnydes Old-Timey Member Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 The Romero news sucks.It sucks even more when you realize that Belisle still has a job. curt1965, Mike Sixel, Danchat and 8 others 11
Mr. Brooks Verified Member Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 Yikes... Texas is clearly hot right now (7 straight wins), but something's wrong with Odorizzi. First 11 starts: 3.34 ERALast 5 starts: 9.90 ERA Maybe a trip to the DL would help? As a professional armchair GM, here's the moves I would make: DFA Belisle, Wilson, Grossman. DL Odorizzi if something is wrong with him.Call up Busenitz, Rupp (added to 40 man), Cave, and Duffey (if Odor on DL). When Odorizzi's spot in the rotation comes around again, option Duffey back for Mejia/Slegers (whoever's rested at that point). Other: Morrison is nearing the point where I would give up on him. He's getting DFA'd / traded for cash in a couple weeks if he isn't hitting better. Motter will be DFA'd when Polanco arrives.Odorizzi is the same pitcher, his luck through the first 11 starts was never going to last. Some attempted to point that out weeks ago. He's still got a couple more rough ones before his ERA and FIP balance out.He's a fringe #5, that's why he was available for Jermaine Palacios. bighat and lukeduke1980 2
mikelink45 Old-Timey Member Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 It makes sense to send down a starter, however, when a RP is as bad as Belisle it makes more sense to more him out and get someone else in the BP. This is just one more of a series of very questionable moves by this FO Danchat, D.C Twins, curt1965 and 1 other 4
yarnivek1972 Verified Member Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 Does Magill have an option? It makes zero sense to keep him active when he may not be available until Wednesday. mikelink45 1
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 Does Magill have an option? It makes zero sense to keep him active when he may not be available until Wednesday.No, Magill is out of options. jokin 1
wsnydes Old-Timey Member Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) It makes sense to send down a starter, however, when a RP is as bad as Belisle it makes more sense to more him out and get someone else in the BP. This is just one more of a series of very questionable moves by this FOThey were basically forced into the move because they built a bullpen without a spot or two that they could rotate a few guys between the minors and the big league club. It makes for odd moves like this, especially since they apparently have no desire to part with Belisle. So they have a 40 man roster full of pitchers, but no flexibility to move them in and out of the active roster to take advantage of it. Genius. Edited June 24, 2018 by wsnydes curt1965, bighat, David HK and 4 others 7
yarnivek1972 Verified Member Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 They were basically forced into the move because they built a bullpen without a spot or two that they could rotate a few guys between the minors and the big league club. It makes for odd moves like this, especially since they apparently have no desire to part with Belisle. So they have a 40 man roster full of pitchers, but no flexibility to move them in and out of the active roster to take advantage of it. Genius.Rogers and Hildenberger should both have options. But, of course Hildenberger might be Molitor’s # 1 option right now. Probably don’t want to lose him for 10 days. Probably don’t want Duke as the only loogy for 10 days either. DocBauer and mikelink45 2
wsnydes Old-Timey Member Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 Rogers and Hildenberger should both have options. But, of course Hildenberger might be Molitor’s # 1 option right now. Probably don’t want to lose him for 10 days. Probably don’t want Duke as the only loogy for 10 days either.I didn't think Rogers had an option left, but I could be wrong. Hildy won't be sent down, like you said. Leaving one spot to use to rotate arms, and that spot is currently occupied by someone that's actually reliable and effective. Signing Belisle only made the bullpen more rigid. curt1965 and mikelink45 2
jun Verified Member Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 Escobar hasn't been the same since he was hit by Porcello.
DocBauer Old-Timey Member Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 Except for Seattle and N.Y., could we just play .500 teams and above for the rest of the season? Why on earth, with all the injuries and disappointing performances this season, does this team seem to play better, and even win, against quality teams and just stink against losing teams? 1] Just not our year. 2] This is funny game. jokin 1
curt1965 Verified Member Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 It’s a funny game with unbelievable roster blunders........ D.C Twins and David HK 2
curt1965 Verified Member Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 Back in the old days of strat-o-matic baseball, we used to have a “waste” pitcher- a guy you could bring in to just get you to the end of the game. Instead of using up most of your good pitchers like the Twins did today. So your bullpen wasn’t a mess tomorrow. Duffy or Slegers would really help this team in that situation. Instead we get Belisle. mikelink45 and David HK 2
mikelink45 Old-Timey Member Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 I have wondered if the FO reads these posts. They are so information oriented it would seem that they might have someone monitoring them. If so I think they might notice that their honeymoon is over and the criticisms of their roster decisions certainly seem to be much harsher (and deserved). bighat 1
Darius Verified Member Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 Odiorizzi is really killing any possible trade value. I don't disagree with with the Romero move. The season is over. What's the point in pushing the envelope with him? Just let him further refine things, keep his workload relatively light, and bring him back up after you deal Odiorizzi/Lynn at the deadline. At this point, it would be reasonable to just leave him down until the start of next year.
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 Except for Seattle and N.Y., could we just play .500 teams and above for the rest of the season? Why on earth, with all the injuries and disappointing performances this season, does this team seem to play better, and even win, against quality teams and just stink against losing teams? 1] Just not our year. 2] This is funny game.I don't think it is that noteworthy. In addition to the exceptions of NYY and SEA, we also lost 2 of 3 to MIL. And as far as bad teams, we are 6-3 vs CHW and 2-1 vs BAL. Our records vs DET and LAA reflect their (and our) overall season records. Seems like a pretty normal distribution for a team with our overall record. Yeah, we are 6-3 vs CLE, but 3-1 vs STL and 2-1 vs BOS and HOU is not unusual for the tiny sample sizes and normal variation.
D.C Twins Verified Member Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 Romero down is simply ridiculous.
gil4 Verified Member Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Motter will be DFA'd when Polanco arrives. At first glance I read that as Molitor will be DFA'd, and my thought was I like the idea, I don't think that's how it works, and what does Polanco have to do with it? The second glance made more sense but was a lot less interesting. Hosken Bombo Disco 1
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 At first glance I read that as Molitor will be DFA'd, and my thought was I like the ideaI don't know -- Molitor might be our best option at DH right now... Vanimal46, gil4, ashbury and 4 others 7
gil4 Verified Member Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 I don't know -- Molitor might be our best option at DH right now...Yeah, but I'm not sure he's a good clubhouse influence. Is Hanley Ramirez still available? WLFINN and wsnydes 2
by jiminy Verified Member Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 I am okay with sending Romero down. He wasn't winning us a pennant and his secondary pitches need work. He was holding his own which is great but I do not believe what we were seeing was his ceiling. Extending his service time is a bonus but not the real benefit here. I think he should be focusing on his weaknesses now not his strengths. You can't do that in the big leagues because you have to focus on getting guys out. I think a little more work in the minors is more likely to improve his performance next year and beyond than struggling to hold his own for the rest of this year instead of polishing his secondary pitches.
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