JT Realmuto.....go get him.

[KirbyDome89]

Prospects and $ are two different currencies. 

 

The best part about spending $ on pitching is that it costs 0 prospects. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

First page suggested Garver and Gordon. I don't think that breaks the bank. I was thinking Castro might be a better chip. You lose .30 offense at catcher but gain a pretty good prospect in Gordon.. Further review shows the Marlins had a pretty solid infield offensively so maybe Gordon isn't such a good piece. Looking at their offense numbers I am wondering how they didn't score more runs.

I don’t think Garver and Gordon get that done. Fish don’t have to trade him away.

 

Agreed on the assessment of the Marlins hitting. Kinda baffled the Marlins didn’t go the other way and go hard after acquiring pitching.

[beckmt]

Marlins just needed to get rid of money.  They were looking into a payroll of around $90 million or less this year.  Yes this is the type of behavior which gives baseball a bad name, and the Miami owner could well be a scumbag who is in it for the money(this has been posted elsewhere that I have seen).  

Depending on agent I would say go after him(A little less likely if agent is Boras), but this could be a good get if the prospect cost is not too high  Would prefer to sign one major pitcher (Darvish), and trade for another.  Trading with the Rays and Archer would probably be cost prohibitive (unless you make Sano a major part of the deal).  Would not like to strip the farm system for a few years of players, so would be selective in who I brought and traded for.

[jud6312]

I'd be on board with it if a couple of things were cleared up.

 

Castro would be a really expensive backup to have. And would he be disgruntled to be demoted? If yes, he'd have to be included in the package or have a deal lined up with someone else to take him on for the remainder of his contract.

 

Given the makeup of the top of the Marlins prospects, they'd probably want Garver. If you include him, you'd have JT and then a glaring gap behind him. Are you comfortable handing the backup job to Bobby Wilson, Wynston Sawyer, or having Gimenez back for another year? I was less than OK, but not irate, at the idea of Gimenez as the backup knowing Garver was waiting in the wings should Castro go out for an extended amount of time. I'd be less confident in the situation if JT went down and not having a solid AAA guy to come in.

 

That said, kick the tires. Cross the disgruntled Castro bridge when you come to it, or see if you can talk The Captain into Rortvedt or Banuelos instead.

[DaveW]

A subpar to average player like Castro shouldn't prevent you AT ALL when it comes to bringing in a long term stud solution like Realmuto.

Realmuto is just entering his prime and has shown increased production every year he has been in the league. 

You can just trade Castro anyways.

[DaveW]

 

Marlins just needed to get rid of money.  They were looking into a payroll of around $90 million or less this year.  Yes this is the type of behavior which gives baseball a bad name, and the Miami owner could well be a scumbag who is in it for the money(this has been posted elsewhere that I have seen).  

Depending on agent I would say go after him(A little less likely if agent is Boras), but this could be a good get if the prospect cost is not too high  Would prefer to sign one major pitcher (Darvish), and trade for another.  Trading with the Rays and Archer would probably be cost prohibitive (unless you make Sano a major part of the deal).  Would not like to strip the farm system for a few years of players, so would be selective in who I brought and traded for.

The problem with the Marlins isn't that they are 'in it for the money' the problem is they legitimately didn't have enough money to buy the team in the first place. They literally have to sell off these players so they can pay down their debts.

It was a dumb decision by MLB to even let the deal go through, and it's very very bad for baseball.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

The problem with the Marlins isn't that they are 'in it for the money' the problem is they legitimately didn't have enough money to buy the team in the first place. They literally have to sell off these players so they can pay down their debts.

 

It was a dumb decision by MLB to even let the deal go through, and it's very very bad for baseball.

MLB got star struck like rubes. I wonder how long until another forced sale.

[Vanimal46]

The hot rumor on sports radio in TX is Houston angling to trade for Realmuto.

 

Kyle Tucker is being brought up as the headline piece in a trade to Miami.

 

Not sure if it's just speculation but that's what I'm hearing on the radio.

[Mike Sixel]

I'm going to say what I've been saying....go get him.

 

I think they should offer Kepler, Garver, and a SP from the minors. Kepler can be replaced, probably not with as good a player, but if you want to get better, you have to give up talent. If they'd rather have Gordon, fine. 

 

MLB.com recently said he's the best catcher in baseball.....

 

edit to add: If it takes Lewis or Kiriloff, I think hard about it.....but I might still do it. I don't have enough data on either to say....but JT Realmuto is STAR MLB player, under contract/control for 2.5 years.

 

I don't think this happens. Aiming low seems to be the strategy here. 

[jun]

 

"Cheap in prospects" is relative. The Twins undervalue Vargas, for example. They can simply package up who they don't want.

 

...but I think the Twins feel good with their C situation as it is.  

Feel good to have Wilson and Garver???

[jun]

 

Not sure catcher is the position of highest need at the moment. You would have to include Garver into the deal to make it make sense in my opinion.

Garver? I really think he is way overrated. I would be happy to have him included in the deal.

[old nurse]

 

The hot rumor on sports radio in TX is Houston angling to trade for Realmuto.

Kyle Tucker is being brought up as the headline piece in a trade to Miami.

Not sure if it's just speculation but that's what I'm hearing on the radio.

Tucker as the centerpiece goes back to hot stove talk last winter. .  Considering what they got in the Ozuna trade it might take Yucker, Bukauskas, and a Perez or two to get Realmuto    Realmuto is 2006 Mauer with pitch framing.

[alarp33]

 

I'm going to say what I've been saying....go get him.

 

I think they should offer Kepler, Garver, and a SP from the minors. Kepler can be replaced, probably not with as good a player, but if you want to get better, you have to give up talent. If they'd rather have Gordon, fine. 

 

MLB.com recently said he's the best catcher in baseball.....

 

edit to add: If it takes Lewis or Kiriloff, I think hard about it.....but I might still do it. I don't have enough data on either to say....but JT Realmuto is STAR MLB player, under contract/control for 2.5 years.

 

I don't think this happens. Aiming low seems to be the strategy here. 

 

You think the best catcher in baseball with 2 years control can be had for Kepler, Garver and a meh SP prospect? Miami doesn't even answer the phone

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I'm going to say what I've been saying....go get him.

 

I think they should offer Kepler, Garver, and a SP from the minors. Kepler can be replaced, probably not with as good a player, but if you want to get better, you have to give up talent. If they'd rather have Gordon, fine. 

 

MLB.com recently said he's the best catcher in baseball.....

 

edit to add: If it takes Lewis or Kiriloff, I think hard about it.....but I might still do it. I don't have enough data on either to say....but JT Realmuto is STAR MLB player, under contract/control for 2.5 years.

 

I don't think this happens. Aiming low seems to be the strategy here. 

I'd add in Kirilloff if the Marlins are willing to buy high on him. No to Lewis.

 

Not because I'm down on Kirilloff but because the Twins have a good outfield under control while the middle infield will likely be in flux over the next few seasons.

[nicksaviking]

Kepler has hurt his trade value at this point I'd think but teams always covet "MLB ready" talent more than the prognosticators do. I'd have no problem moving "MLB ready" guys like Gonsalves or Gordon either.

[alarp33]

 

Kepler has hurt his trade value at this point I'd think but teams always covet "MLB ready" talent more than the prognosticators do. I'd have no problem moving "MLB ready" guys like Gonsalves or Gordon either.

 

Teams covet that?  This is the Marlins, the team that traded Christian Yelich and is extremely friendly contract, who I believe is under team control for the same amount of time Kepler is.  Why exactly would the Marlins be interested in Kepler?

[Vanimal46]

Teams covet that? This is the Marlins, the team that traded Christian Yelich and is extremely friendly contract, who I believe is under team control for the same amount of time Kepler is. Why exactly would the Marlins be interested in Kepler?

Agreed. I'd angle a different way with Miami. Gordon/Kiriloff, Gonsalves, and a high upside A arm like Graterol

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Agreed. I'd angle a different way with Miami. Gordon/Kiriloff, Gonsalves, and a high upside A arm like Graterol

 

I was good with this until Graterol…  Not sure that one I'd want to give up (and to be fair, that's probably a good idea of what it would take)...

[Tomj14]

 

Agreed. I'd angle a different way with Miami. Gordon/Kiriloff, Gonsalves, and a high upside A arm like Graterol

I want him, but even I think 3 of the top 5 is too much. And I am all for trading prospects.

I can't imagine they would say no to that deal, but wow would that leave the system pretty bare.

I would do Gordon/Kiriloff, Gonsalves, Garver, and Thorpe?

 

[alarp33]

 

I want him, but even I think 3 of the top 5 is too much. And I am all for trading prospects.

I can't imagine they would say no to that deal, but wow would that leave the system pretty bare.

I would do Gordon/Kiriloff, Gonsalves, Garver, and Thorpe?

 

The trade offers in this thread are getting crazy. I think we all agree Realmuto is one of the 3-4 best catchers in baseball?  He has 2.5 years of control left. You are NOT getting him without offering ELITE prospects. I truly do not think Kiriloff AND Lewis get it done on their own.  

 

I highly doubt Gonsalves has that much value, Garver has little to no value, and Thorpe is a total long shot / wild card. The headliners would very likely need to be 2 top 50 prospects for a player like Realmuto with this much control left

[Tomj14]

 

The trade offers in this thread are getting crazy. I think we all agree Realmuto is one of the 3-4 best catchers in baseball?  He has 2.5 years of control left. You are NOT getting him without offering ELITE prospects. I truly do not think Kiriloff AND Lewis get it done on their own.  

 

I highly doubt Gonsalves has that much value, Garver has little to no value, and Thorpe is a total long shot / wild card. The headliners would very likely need to be 2 top 50 prospects for a player like Realmuto with this much control left

Do the Twins even have 2 in the top 50?

[USAFChief]

 

The trade offers in this thread are getting crazy. I think we all agree Realmuto is one of the 3-4 best catchers in baseball?  He has 2.5 years of control left. You are NOT getting him without offering ELITE prospects. I truly do not think Kiriloff AND Lewis get it done on their own.  

 

I highly doubt Gonsalves has that much value, Garver has little to no value, and Thorpe is a total long shot / wild card. The headliners would very likely need to be 2 top 50 prospects for a player like Realmuto with this much control left

Realmuto will get traded, and it will be for less than Kiriloff and Lewis. 

[alarp33]

 

Do the Twins even have 2 in the top 50?

 

No.  Meaning its going to take multiple real pieces. Lewis certainly being one of them

[alarp33]

 

Realmuto will get traded, and it will be for less than Kiriloff and Lewis. 

 

Sure - the Marlins who have a full extra year of control, a catcher that is better and 3 years younger, will settle for much less than the Brewers got for Lucroy.  Keep telling yourself that

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

The trade offers in this thread are getting crazy. I think we all agree Realmuto is one of the 3-4 best catchers in baseball?  He has 2.5 years of control left. You are NOT getting him without offering ELITE prospects. I truly do not think Kiriloff AND Lewis get it done on their own.

 

I highly doubt Gonsalves has that much value, Garver has little to no value, and Thorpe is a total long shot / wild card. The headliners would very likely need to be 2 top 50 prospects for a player like Realmuto with this much control left

I absolutely agree with you there's no way Kepler, Gonsalves, or Gordon could headline such a deal. Maybe they could be accessories, but not headliners, even bundled together.

 

I think Kirilloff and Lewis could possibly do it bundled, though. Frankly they're not far from meeting your "2 top 50 prospects" guess -- at MLB.com right now, Lewis is #13 and Kirilloff is #71 -- that doesn't include 2018 draftees yet but I think it also may not fully reflect Kirilloff's fast rise. Houston is about the only club that could match Lewis, and I think they'd be unlikely to include both #10 Tucker and #11 Whitley. If the Astros include one of those two, and #54 Alvarez, that seems pretty close to Lewis/Kirilloff. And a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush -- if the Marlins think the Astros deal has less than a 50% chance of actually coming to fruition, they'd probably be advised to take the Lewis/Kirilloff offer if it's on the table now, even if they pegged it at 10% less value or whatever.

 

Obviously the Marlins would have preferences and valuations beyond prospect ranks but this seems a fair approximation from our vantage point.

 

Beyond Lewis/Kirilloff, I'd guess we could round out the offer with one of our AAA starters, a replacement catcher like Garver, a lotto ticket, etc., same as the Astros would.

 

All that said, I'm not necessarily recommending the Twins make that offer either.

[labcrazy]

I agree it will take2-3 really good prospects to get Realmuto but no way should this team consider doing it. We have a good young group that will not be competitive for a couple years. By the time we would get competitive he would be looking to leave. Castro is back next year and while his offense if not good he is a decent defensive catcher.

[alarp33]

 

I absolutely agree with you there's no way Kepler, Gonsalves, or Gordon could headline such a deal. Maybe they could be accessories, but not headliners, even bundled together.

 

I think Kirilloff and Lewis could possibly do it bundled, though. Frankly they're not far from meeting your "2 top 50 prospects" guess -- at MLB.com right now, Lewis is #13 and Kirilloff is #71 -- that doesn't include 2018 draftees yet but I think it also may not fully reflect Kirilloff's fast rise. Houston is about the only club that could match Lewis, and I think they'd be unlikely to include both #10 Tucker and #11 Whitley. If the Astros include one of those two, and #54 Alvarez, that seems pretty close to Lewis/Kirilloff. And a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush -- if the Marlins think the Astros deal has less than a 50% chance of actually coming to fruition, they'd probably be advised to take the Lewis/Kirilloff offer if it's on the table now, even if they pegged it at 10% less value or whatever.

 

Obviously the Marlins would have preferences and valuations beyond prospect ranks but this seems a fair approximation from our vantage point.

 

Beyond Lewis/Kirilloff, I'd guess we could round out the offer with one of our AAA starters, a replacement catcher like Garver, a lotto ticket, etc., same as the Astros would.

 

All that said, I'm not necessarily recommending the Twins make that offer either.

 

Agreed. While I mentioned I don't think Lewis AND Kiriloff get it done on their own, I don't think you have to add significantly to that, probably a couple of really young lottery tickets, or a AAA starter like you mentioned. I would wager something like this would get it done or close to it. 

 

Lewis

Kiriloff

Enlow

Thorpe

 

I would pass. I would not include Lewis in any trade at this point in time when the Twins are as far away from contention as they appear.

 

FWIW, the Brewers got #20 + #47 for Lucroy (per ESPN's mid season update in 2016).  

[Mike Sixel]

I never said meh pitcher. I said pitcher.

 

I'd do kirriloff, any starting pitcher in the minors, Garver, and a throw in. I don't think I do Lewis and kiriloff, but even that is tempting. It depends on how much they believe in Buxton and Sano. If they don't really believe in them, then I don't do this at all, and sell everything instead.

 

But I tend to work from an abundance mentality in trades, that what you are trading for, and giving up, has value. Maybe it's naive, or fandom, but I have not given up on Sano or Buxton, and I believe in Realmuto.

[alarp33]

 

I never said meh pitcher. I said pitcher.

I'd do kirriloff, any starting pitcher in the minors, Garver, and a throw in. I don't think I do Lewis and kiriloff, but even that is tempting. It depends on how much they believe in Buxton and Sano. If they don't really believe in them, then I don't do this at all, and sell everything instead.

But I tend to work from an abundance mentality in trades, that what you are trading for, and giving up, has value. Maybe it's naive, or fandom, but I have not given up on Sano or Buxton, and I believe in Realmuto.

 

What minor league pitcher do the Twins have that has significant trade value? I used "meh" because they don't have a SP that is worth a whole lot in the minors. Graterol is intriguing but he's certainly no where near ready to headline a deal or be a significant piece of it

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Sure - the Marlins who have a full extra year of control, a catcher that is better and 3 years younger, will settle for much less than the Brewers got for Lucroy.  Keep telling yourself that

There's an argument that Lewis/Kirilloff is a better tandem than Brinson/Ortiz -- Brinson is top 20 like Lewis but was having a pretty mediocre season in AA at the time. And Ortiz was only ranked 62-78 that following offseason, and wasn't really rising or answering questions with his performance or durability. The recent revelation about Lewis' health would have to be a factor too, but I could see a fair number of teams preferring Lewis/Kirilloff.

 

And Lucroy was paired with 3.5 seasons of RP Jeffress who was a closer with a 2.22 ERA at the time. Maybe if Miami added Kyle Barraclough?

 

And of course what would you say now if Lucroy hadn't exercised his no-trade clause and was dealt to Cleveland instead for only one 1 top 100 prospect (albeit a catcher, Mejia)? Would that have been the absolute price for predicting future deals? There's a lot of room for variations in valuation beyond prospect ranks. Not enough to call Kepler/Gonsalves/Gordon a headliner -- but enough that it is quite possible this deal won't involve two top 50 prospects.