Article: What's Holding Up The Dozier Trade?

[AlwaysinModeration]

I recognize Falvey and Levine, but who's the girl?

Umm, Chicken, didn't we go over that?

[h2oface]

I bet De Leon ends up constantly hurt. I hope it doesn't happen unless they add Bellinger. Urias straight up would do it, though. Kudos for Falvey for holding out.

[whosafraidofluigirussolo]

"Trade for Urias straight up" is the new "move Mauer back to catcher"

[Twinsgypsy]

The Twins have a very good player in Dozier and a straight up trade for De Leon would be insane.   The new management would be best suited to keep him if the Dodgers do not want to give equal value.   While I agree they would be better off trading Dozier if they could get a good return they are in good position either way because they are not desperate to have to sell low.

 

[ashbury]

"Trade for Urias straight up" is the new "move Mauer back to catcher"

Sweet battery, if we can swing it.

[Trueblue222]

It seems to me that the Dodgers are pretty set on not trading to many minor league assets beyond DeLeon to improve their offense against LH pitching. I could see them soon shifting back to a trade for Braun which they match up very well with and filling their hole at 2B with a smaller move.

Edited January 7, 2017 by Trueblue222

[Miraclebat]

 

Umm, Chicken, didn't we go over that?

Umm, Always, read that again?

The girl...it is Terry Ryan's granddaughter.  Falvey's way of keeping a link to the past.

[twinssouth]

The Braves added 28 million in Starting Pitching this off season and they were rumored to be having serious discussion about acquiring Chris Sale. I think the Braves may think they are closer to competitive than others do. 

 

I understand that Colon and Dickey were one year contracts but they could have tossed Wisler and Blair into the rotation. 

 

The offense would certainly look more formidable if they acquired Dozier and... how about Todd Frazier as well.

 

 

 

 

 

The Braves also are moving into a brand new stadium this year, have to show a better product then what they had last year.

 

I just have a hard time believing this trade rumor of Dodgers and Braves interested in Dozier. The only guy that initially reported it was I believe Jeff Passon. Since then, everybody took off with the story, saying "multiple sources". Seems its being cooked up for winter hot stove discussions.

[AlwaysinModeration]

I recognize Falvey and Levine, but who's the girl?

Actually, that is Dozier. You were probably confused by the flowing golden locks.

[Nick Nelson]

 

Let's pump the brakes just a bit here.

Over the past four years, Dozier leads all middle infielders in home runs by double digits. What's wrong with that description? 

[jctwins]

 

Over the past four years, Dozier leads all middle infielders in home runs by double digits. What's wrong with that description? 

 

It's a little early to tag him as "elite".

[Brock Beauchamp]

It's a little early to tag him as "elite".

Nick's quote was "elite power-hitting middle infielder", IIRC.

 

That's an accurate description of Dozier. The power-hitting qualifier is the elite part of Dozier's game.

[Doomtints]

 

Over the past four years, Dozier leads all middle infielders in home runs by double digits. What's wrong with that description? 

That lead exists because of 1 year -- last year --- when he hit 20 more home runs than usual. 

[ashbury]

Nick's quote was "elite power-hitting middle infielder", IIRC.

 

That's an accurate description of Dozier. The power-hitting qualifier is the elite part of Dozier's game.

So, a sentence construction begging to be misconstrued.

[Riverbrian]

 

That lead exists because of 1 year -- last year --- when he hit 20 more home runs than usual. 

 

 

Dozier led middle infielders in home runs if you take 2016 away and just use from 2013 to 2015.  

 

[DodgerFan1234]

I bet De Leon ends up constantly hurt. I hope it doesn't happen unless they add Bellinger. Urias straight up would do it, though. Kudos for Falvey for holding out.

ROFL

 

You're a funny guy!

[Brock Beauchamp]

If you are going to remove Dozier's 2016... you gotta remove everybody else as well... To be fair.

 

Dozier led middle infielders in home runs if you take 2016 away and just use from 2013 to 2015.

Yep. It's not as if Dozier suddenly developed power last season. He was already at the top of the class when he was hitting a measly 28 home runs a season.

[jctwins]

 

So, a sentence construction begging to be misconstrued.

 

Here we go; this.

 

Certainly not worth arguing over. I read it as an elite, power hitting middle infielder. 

 

Again, no matter what, I just don't think he's earned the term "elite". Lead a team to something that matters and then I'll call you elite.

 

 

[Tom Froemming]

 

Here we go; this.

 

Certainly not worth arguing over. I read it as an elite, power hitting middle infielder. 

 

Again, no matter what, I just don't think he's earned the term "elite". Lead a team to something that matters and then I'll call you elite.

Soooo ... it's somehow Dozier's fault the team has had rotten pitching his entire tenure? If he gets traded to the Dodgers and they win a World Series, then he'll be elite?

[Brock Beauchamp]

Here we go; this.

 

Certainly not worth arguing over. I read it as an elite, power hitting middle infielder.

 

Again, no matter what, I just don't think he's earned the term "elite". Lead a team to something that matters and then I'll call you elite.

FTR, I don't believe Dozier is an elite player either but he has an elite skill.

[USAFChief]

FTR, I don't believe Dozier is an elite player either but he has an elite skill.

And hair. HOF hair.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

And hair. HOF hair.

That hair transcends the Hall of Fame.

[snepp]

 

Here we go; this.

 

Certainly not worth arguing over. I read it as an elite, power hitting middle infielder. 

 

Again, no matter what, I just don't think he's earned the term "elite". Lead a team to something that matters and then I'll call you elite.

 

So, Mike Trout, not elite?

 

Just curious where we draw the lines of definition here.

[snepp]

 

That hair transcends the Hall of Fame.

 

Some points are irrefutable.

 

 

As Chitown can attest.

[Oldgoat_MN]

 

It seems to me that the Dodgers are pretty set on not trading to many minor league assets beyond DeLeon to improve their offense against LH pitching. I could see them soon shifting back to a trade for Braun which they match up very well with and filling their hole at 2B with a smaller move.

Ryan Braun? The guy who is owed $80 million over the next 4 years?

Well, of the teams that can afford it, your team is certainly one.

Edited January 8, 2017 by Oldgoat_MN

[DJSim22]

They want Braun at $20 million a year over Dozier at less than half of that?  Good luck to them. 

[Doomtints]

 

Dozier led middle infielders in home runs if you take 2016 away and just use from 2013 to 2015.  

 

But not by double digits.

[ashbury]

But not by double digits.

"Dozier led middle infielders in home runs in the period 2013 to 2015, and extended that lead to double digits over four years with his 2016 production."

 

Falr?

 

Why are we arguing about this? There isn't any controversy that home run power is the reason Dozier is a trade chip at all. There was a little mixup only when the word "elite" was applied, as to whether it meant the player as a whole, or just his home run power among second basemen.

[Doomtints]

 

"Dozier led middle infielders in home runs in the period 2013 to 2015, and extended that lead to double digits over four years with his 2016 production."

 

Falr?

 

Why are we arguing about this? There isn't any controversy that home run power is the reason Dozier is a trade chip at all. There was a little mixup only when the word "elite" was applied, as to whether it meant the player as a whole, or just his home run power among second basemen.

 

The original statement was, "Dozier leads others at his by position by double digits at HR." My response was, "But that double digit lead is only due to one year of unusual production." After that we went a circular route back to my original statement due to someone misinterpreting my point. So why are we arguing? I have no idea.

 

The point is, his HR lead is not head and shoulders above his comps due to being a future HOFer. The big lead is due to his career year. This is worth pointing out. The distinction here is huge.

Edited January 8, 2017 by Doomtints

[USAFChief]

The original statement was, "Dozier leads others at his by position by double digits at HR." My response was, "But that double digit lead is only due to one year of unusual production." After that we went a circular route back to my original statement due to someone misinterpreting my point. So why are we arguing? I have no idea.

 

The point is, his HR lead is not head and shoulders above his comps due to being a future HOFer. The big lead is due to his career year. This is worth pointing out. The distinction here is huge.

With all due respect...you don't have a point.

 

If you are taking out Dozier's best year, then take out his competition's best year as well.