Twins DFA'd O'Rourke and Graham, Maestro up

[Mike Sixel]

What more does Chagois need to do to get called up? Why not bring him up now?

 

So, it is not their fault none of the guys are ready? They chose these guys. They chose to believe they would be ready. That misjudgment is on them, as scouts......and on the players.....and on the coaches.

 

But, this was their plan. If it isn't working, again, they bear some responsibly

[DocBauer]

What more does Chagois need to do to get called up? Why not bring him up now?

So, it is not their fault none of the guys are ready? They chose these guys. They chose to believe they would be ready. That misjudgment is on them, as scouts......and on the players.....and on the coaches.

But, this was their plan. If it isn't working, again, they bear some responsibly

Absolutely they bear responsibility. Both for last year and this year. And the FO has been terribly "hopeful" and short-sighted as to be depending on such rapid progress/preparedness of these youngsters. Burdi getting hurt, however, doesn't help. Chargois seems to be the real deal. But with so much time missed due to injury, I'm stil, OK giving him a little more time. But he should be at Rochester immediately, IMO.

 

Not in regard to your post Mike, but in general, I find it interesting that the past couple of seasons there has been much consternation about Tonkin and Pressly actually getting a fair chance to show what they can do. And now, this year, they are finally getting that opportinity. While the results have certainly been mixed, there have been positives as well. And yet, in frustration for a losing team, and a bullpen who's two "mainstays" have been hurt, or ineffective, or both...along with the Fien situation...there seems to a relative ease to also point to Tonkin and Pressly. I'm not really sure thats fair at this point.

[jorgenswest]

At this point I am glad they didn't give an over 30 guy like Tony Sipp a three year commitment. Maybe they have another win with him, but the last thing a going nowhere team needs is decline phase pitchers with multi year contracts.

[Mr. Brooks]

The plan was for Burdi to not hit the DL-twice already. The plan was for Reed to show some semblance of the Reed they saw in the Arizona Fall League. The plan was for Chargois to return from a prolonged injury hiatus and show he's ready for the big time early in 2016. The plan was for maybe one or two other guys to emerge who fit in the "Plan B" category- guys like Tonkin and Melotakis, Rogers, Graham.

 

This reality, for me, doesn't excuse Ryan from what I believe was a poor decision to pass on bringing one more RP with better credentials then Abad and Kintzler. While the off-season RP decision a poor one, I think some of the characterizations of the RP decisions are way way over the top. Very few things are going right at the moment, which turns a poor or questionable move into part of a highly visible total system failure.

 

Which top RP prospect should have been called up? I guess one could argue both sides of a decision about Chargois, and you can be sure the Twins field staff did exactly that, but who else?

You say you guess both sides of a Chargois call up could be argued.

 

I'd be interested in hearing the argument against it?

[bird]

 

What more does Chagois need to do to get called up? Why not bring him up now?
 

 

That's a fair question, and maybe there's a good answer. You and I don't know enough to be overly critical that he's still in Chattanooga. His stats look good, but he hasn't been all that dominant, so maybe they think he's got a bit more refining to do. We can decide to believe he's ready and the Twins are in error in not calling him up right now, but we're possibly missing something.

 

Sure wish our beat writers asked the same question.

[bird]

 

You say you guess both sides of a Chargois call up could be argued.

I'd be interested in hearing the argument against it?

 

 

Me too.

[Mr. Brooks]

That's a fair question, and maybe there's a good answer. You and I don't know enough to be overly critical that he's still in Chattanooga. His stats look good, but he hasn't been all that dominant, so maybe they think he's got a bit more refining to do. We can decide to believe he's ready and the Twins are in error in not calling him up right now, but we're possibly missing something.

 

Sure wish our beat writers asked the same question.

Chargois hasn't been dominant?

He's given up 1 ER, 6 hits, and struck out 13 in 11 innings.

What would dominant look like if this isn't it?

[Mr. Brooks]

 

 

Mastroianni gives the Twins a real CF, a pinch runner type, and a guy who can sit on the bench and be depth. I'd like to see Rosario sent down because he may be part of the future and they need to get him going. Has nothing to do with him being "the answer"

 

 

Yep, either that or he can start in right field and bat leadoff.

[jorgenswest]

I sure hope the Twins aren't deciding whether a pitcher is dominant and ready based on a small number of batters faced.

[Squirrel]

What more does Chagois need to do to get called up? Why not bring him up now?

So, it is not their fault none of the guys are ready? They chose these guys. They chose to believe they would be ready. That misjudgment is on them, as scouts......and on the players.....and on the coaches.

But, this was their plan. If it isn't working, again, they bear some responsibly

Only some?

[Mr. Brooks]

I sure hope the Twins aren't deciding whether a pitcher is dominant and ready based on a small number of batters faced.

Well they said they didn't bring in any more relievers because they expected at least one of the hard throwing milb arms to make a case for a call up EARLY in the season.

Early in the season implies they wouldn't need a 60 IP sample size.

 

Birdwatcher said he hasn't been dominant.

He didn't day anything about sample size. I'm just curious what dominant would look like at this moment, never claimed it was a large sample size.

In the chances he's gotten so far, he's dominated.

[nicksaviking]

What more does Chagois need to do to get called up? Why not bring him up now?

So, it is not their fault none of the guys are ready? They chose these guys. They chose to believe they would be ready. That misjudgment is on them, as scouts......and on the players.....and on the coaches.

But, this was their plan. If it isn't working, again, they bear some responsibly

I just find it odd that the batters don't have to be finished products but the pitchers do. Last I checked it was the batters who had to react to the pitchers, not the other way around.

[ShouldaCouldaWoulda]

 

Sure, I agree that in that sense its fine....but, with the way rosters and lineups have been handled I wouldn't be surprised Mastroianni being plugged into the everyday lineup (batting leadoff or something like that.) It also would not surprise me if he lucked into some early results that give him unnecessary long leash at future below average results. He also is not that great of a defender, he just is not really bad. 

 

....This type of thing is getting too predictable! 

 

I spent the whole night outside and with no radio. Came home and checked the score, and first thing I saw was Mastro 0-4 batting leadoff. Golden. How many crazy bad moves with this lineup has this forum called before hand, and been right....seems like way too often.

[ShouldaCouldaWoulda]

 

Still somewhat perplexed that Fein was claimed and Milone was not.

86mph isn't that sought after, regardless of handedness.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

That's a fair question, and maybe there's a good answer. You and I don't know enough to be overly critical that he's still in Chattanooga. His stats look good, but he hasn't been all that dominant, so maybe they think he's got a bit more refining to do. We can decide to believe he's ready and the Twins are in error in not calling him up right now, but we're possibly missing something.

 

Sure wish our beat writers asked the same question.

 

I guess you and I have a different definition of dominant.  The knock on him right now is SSS (10 2/3 innings), but he's looked pretty good in it.

 

10.97 K/9

.84 ERA

1.03 WHIP

 

His walk rate is a bit high at 4.22/9 as that is the only number that doesn't look good, but no one is making contact on him.

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Mastro leading off in his second day here seems to be substantial evidence that the Twins latest roster moves are more of a random shake-up than any reasoned effort to improve the team.

[Riverbrian]

 

Mastro leading off in his second day here seems to be substantial evidence that the Twins latest roster moves are more of a random shake-up than any reasoned effort to improve the tea

 

 

Molly won't play Kepler or Polanco and now Santana must play CF and he was supposed to be the guy who came off the bench with speed.

 

So... Enter a guy who can sit. 

 

Ta-Dah... It's Mastro. 

 

I think we traded Fein for Mastro because we needed someone to sit. That's how much Ryan and Molitor were not on the same page. 

 

Ryan: I'm filling up the 40 man with talented youth with upside.

 

Molitor: I won't play them

 

Ryan: Ok Then... I'm filling up the 40 man with talented youth with upside. 

 

The Twins probably should have taken it a step further and put the 27 year old Beresford on the 40 man so he can be called up to sit instead of Polanco because infielders also can get hurt. 

 

O'Rourke and Graham were traded for Kintzler and Dean. So...  in my opinion... The Bullpen issues still havn't been addressed. 

 

Milone was traded for Duffey... Most Likely Duffey and we mave have upgraded there and that's about it.

 

You are right... In total it wasn't like we improved leaps and bounds. Desperate Men reaching for a bath mat to stay afloat. 

 

 

 

 

I think the lineup yesterday was a Sale special in search of right-handers and not worth much concern.

 

To me the concern is still... Ryan and Molitor are walking and not running two different directions. 

 

 

 

[jorgenswest]

Chargois may or may not be dominant. That would have to be assessed by the staff that sees him every day. It can not be supported by data until he has many mare batters faced.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Chargois may or may not be dominant. That would have to be assessed by the staff that sees him every day. It can not be supported by data until he has many mare batters faced.

How many games would he need to pitch for everyone to agree on his performance without seeing him in person?

[jorgenswest]

How many games would he need to pitch for everyone to agree on his performance without seeing him in person?

Everyone agree?

 

Major league numbers stabilize for strike out rate, walk rate and ground ball rate somewhere past 100 batters faced. Pitch level data is probably earlier but that isn't very available for minor leaguers.

[bird]

 

Chargois hasn't been dominant?
He's given up 1 ER, 6 hits, and struck out 13 in 11 innings.
What would dominant look like if this isn't it?

 

 

Same numbers at AAA? Those are very good stats, no question, but maybe it doesn't tell us everything.

[bird]

 

Mastro leading off in his second day here seems to be substantial evidence that the Twins latest roster moves are more of a random shake-up than any reasoned effort to improve the team.

 

 

Yeah, I agree with this. It tells me Ryan has no idea of what to do right this minute. It might be evidence of Paulie's frustration with fundamental lapses, in the field and on the base paths especially, and Maestro has a reputation for being fairly sound in those areas. And look at some of his other choices, outside of Mauer, for the leadoff spot.

[bird]

 

I guess you and I have a different definition of dominant.  The knock on him right now is SSS (10 2/3 innings), but he's looked pretty good in it.

 

10.97 K/9

.84 ERA

1.03 WHIP

 

His walk rate is a bit high at 4.22/9 as that is the only number that doesn't look good, but no one is making contact on him.

 

 

 

I misspoke. He's been dominant at AA for 10 2/3 innings.

[Mr. Brooks]

Mastroianni has been up for 2 games and started both.

I really don't understand what is going on with this club right now.

[Danchat]

 

Mastroianni has been up for 2 games and started both.
I really don't understand what is going on with this club right now.

I hate to be that guy, but it's been 3 games.

 

But your point is valid. Kepler spent about 2 weeks with the team and got 2 starts (these numbers may not be exact). For some reason, Molitor would rather play a washed-up veteran in Mastro and refused to plug Kepler into the lineup. I just don't get why.

[ashbury]

washed-up veteran in Mastro

Flattery will get you nowhere.

 

He's not a has-been, he's a never-was.

[Otto von Ballpark]

On the subject of Chargois, he has just been promoted to AAA according to Rochester's game notes for today:

 

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20160510&content_id=177309386&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_t534&sid=t534

[nicksaviking]

 

I sure hope the Twins aren't deciding whether a pitcher is dominant and ready based on a small number of batters faced.

 

I hope the Twins aren't deciding whether a pitcher needs to be a finished product simply because they are trying to avoid losing 95 games instead of 90.

[Mike Sixel]

 

On the subject of Chargois, he has just been promoted to AAA according to Rochester's game notes for today:

 

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20160510&content_id=177309386&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_t534&sid=t534

 

YAY!

[nicksaviking]

 

On the subject of Chargois, he has just been promoted to AAA according to Rochester's game notes for today:

 

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20160510&content_id=177309386&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_t534&sid=t534

 

Good lord. I guess baby steps forward is better than stasis.

 

At this point, I really don't get what it is they fear if a young pitcher is called up. To the team's credit, I haven't heard them say anything silly like "getting back into this race" or "making September games count", but their actions make it look like that's what they're thinking.