Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 Tonight, it was announced that the Washington Nationals have traded reliever Drew Storen to the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for OF Ben Revere. This is interesting to Twins fans in a few ways: 1.) Ben Revere was a 1st round draft pick and a fan-favorite with the Twins.2.) Drew Storen is a name that has been brought up here as a possible trade target of the Twins. Those hopes appear over.3.) The Nationals appear to really like former Twins centerfielders. Just a day after Denard Span decided to leave the Nationals as a free agent to join the San Francisco Giants for 3 years and $31 million (plus a fourth-year option).
old nurse Verified Member Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 All Revere had to do was get to first with the number of big hitters behind him in Toronto. I don't think that will play as well in Washington.
diehardtwinsfan Old-Timey Member Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 Well, if they wanted a CF, then I don't see the Twins as partners as soon as Hicks left town. I don't think Revere is that good of a baseball player personally.
kab21 Verified Member Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 All Revere had to do was get to first with the number of big hitters behind him in Toronto. I don't think that will play as well in Washington.Revere's skill set is actually perfect for small ball although the Nats aren't a small ball team either.
mikelink45 Old-Timey Member Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 Good luck to Ben - he seems to get too much criticism from Twins fans - the teams that want him now include three besides the Twins. The biggest thing for the Twins is that TR now does not have to answer questions about Storen. Soon the other relievers will be gone and TR can tell us how the Twins were really close on a number of them.
big dog Verified Member Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 Good luck to Ben - he seems to get too much criticism from Twins fans - the teams that want him now include three besides the Twins. The biggest thing for the Twins is that TR now does not have to answer questions about Storen. Soon the other relievers will be gone and TR can tell us how the Twins were really close on a number of them. And apparently the teams that no longer want him include three. I tend to agree, though- a lot of fans complained about the pick, but he's doing pretty well compared to other high draft picks. Good pick, and I'd rather have Trevor May so I'm pleased with how it worked out. Now if we could only have May starting... All the movement of Hendricks, Valencia, Revere reminds me of a John Mellencamp lyric- women seem to like me, but they don't seem to like me long. I am glad my employer doesn't trade me at all, much less twice in a calendar year.
Rosterman Verified Member Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 If anything, you do know what you have in Ben Revere and can work around him accordingly. Is that good, or is that bad? They lost Span, who many felt wasn't worth a three-year deal at this time (except the Giants). He's an inexpensive, for now, option in centerfield. And, yes, we don't have to devise trades for Storen now. Surprised that Toronto will include another player AND money in the deal.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 Extremely disappointed that the Twins could not offer a better deal than what the Blue Jays offered. I'm with diehard. I don't think Revere is that great of a baseball player, and he's due to get over $6.5 mill in arbitration according to MLB Trade Rumors. The Blue Jays got a steal in this trade.
Monkeypaws Verified Member Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 Well, I predict a Yankees-Nationals deal in the somewhat near future that involves Aaron Hicks....
Molitor4 Provisional Member Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 Heck, why didn't we just offer the Nats Hicks for Storen and Strasburg??? Aaahhhrrrgg !!!
biggentleben Verified Member Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 Heck, why didn't we just offer the Nats Hicks for Storen and Strasburg??? Aaahhhrrrgg !!! Wouldn't work. Needs more Duensing.
biggentleben Verified Member Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 All Revere had to do was get to first with the number of big hitters behind him in Toronto. I don't think that will play as well in Washington. When healthy, the Nationals have a pretty stout lineup as well with Harper, Rendon, Werth, Zimmerman, Murphy, etc. It's not Donaldson, Bautista, and Encarnacion, but the Blue Jays also don't have Scherzer, Strasburg, Gonzalez, and even Joe Ross.
jimmer Verified Member Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 Heck, why didn't we just offer the Nats Hicks for Storen and Strasburg??? Aaahhhrrrgg !!! Because it was much better to get future superstar, and future 2016 all star, catcher John Ryan Murphy.
jimbo92107 Verified Member Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 All Revere had to do was get to first with the number of big hitters behind him in Toronto. I don't think that will play as well in Washington.Revere followed by Harper could get you a couple runs per game.
biggentleben Verified Member Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 When healthy, the Nationals have a pretty stout lineup as well with Harper, Rendon, Werth, Zimmerman, Murphy, etc. It's not Donaldson, Bautista, and Encarnacion, but the Blue Jays also don't have Scherzer, Strasburg, Gonzalez, and even Joe Ross. Of course, Revere was hitting 9th in the Toronto lineup after he was acquired last year. Who knows if he'll end up leading off in Washington.
Circus Boy Verified Member Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 And apparently the teams that no longer want him include three. I tend to agree, though- a lot of fans complained about the pick, but he's doing pretty well compared to other high draft picks. Good pick, and I'd rather have Trevor May so I'm pleased with how it worked out. Now if we could only have May starting... All the movement of Hendricks, Valencia, Revere reminds me of a John Mellencamp lyric- women seem to like me, but they don't seem to like me long. I am glad my employer doesn't trade me at all, much less twice in a calendar year. Just saw on the biz channel ticker: "Big Dog traded for cash and HB-1 visa."
nicksaviking Community Moderator Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 Extremely disappointed that the Twins could not offer a better deal than what the Blue Jays offered. I'm with diehard. I don't think Revere is that great of a baseball player, and he's due to get over $6.5 mill in arbitration according to MLB Trade Rumors. The Blue Jays got a steal in this trade.You'd only get Storen for one year, that's way too high a price for one year of a set up guy. Toronto will at least use him as a closer. If we want Storen, we can get him next year as a free agent.
Oldgoat_MN Verified Member Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 Revere has had 3 years in a row with a BA of over .300.Last year his OBP was .342. Those are pretty good numbers from a CF who covers as much ground as Ben does. We're not talking about how well a RF hits here.The guy is very productive at the plate considering what he brings to the defense.
jimmer Verified Member Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 Revere: 4.7 overall WAR in the last three years. In the last three years, while playing defense, he has accumulated -24 DRS, and about a -4.0 UZR, in the OF. In the last three years while playing CF, he has accumulated -22 DRS with a negative UZR in 2,028 innings. Doesn't bring much to defense regardless of his speed.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 You'd only get Storen for one year, that's way too high a price for one year of a set up guy. Toronto will at least use him as a closer. If we want Storen, we can get him next year as a free agent.Why couldn't the Twins use Storen as a closer too? Perkins in the 7th-8th inning is a good problem to have.
drjim Provisional Member Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Why couldn't the Twins use Storen as a closer too? Perkins in the 7th-8th inning is a good problem to have.That would be cold. Perkins has been better every year since 2011 until the second half last year (and Storen didn't exactly close out gangbusters). You would risk causing that sort of problem?
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 That would be cold. Perkins has been better every year since 2011 until the second half last year (and Storen didn't exactly close out gangbusters).You would risk causing that sort of problem?Depends on Perkins' ego. If it would be a huge problem and turns into a clubhouse issue that his role is not the closer, it's probably not worth the risk. If Perkins is willing to take on any role that makes the team better (like what May is doing), then it's worth the upgrade.
jimmer Verified Member Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 In 2015, Storen had an ERA of 1.73, had 29 saves, and only two BS (and they won both those games) when he had his job taken from him. He was getting the job done.
drjim Provisional Member Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Storen is perfectly fine, but I want more than a half season to say Perkins is no longer better. If the standard is merely someone "getting the job done" why not just keep Jepsen in the spot.
jimmer Verified Member Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 The idea that getting the job done isn't good enough is what prompted the trade for Capps to replace Rauch in 2010 and the loss of Ramos. Just saying. In any event, the numbers suggest Storen was doing more than just getting the job done.
Circus Boy Verified Member Posted January 22, 2016 Posted January 22, 2016 oops Cogent, terse, economical. POTY!
Loosey Verified Member Posted January 22, 2016 Posted January 22, 2016 If Revere can continue to get on base at .350 clip, this might be a great fit now that Cespedes is in the lineup. That outfield might hit 80 HR's next with all 80 coming from Cespedes and Harper.
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