Call up Arcia?

[Mike Sixel]

 

I think you keep him for this season, in the off season once you have more roster clarity then you can look into it again.

That being said I would trade him or most players if the price was right, I just don't see someone giving good value while his value is so low currently.

 

I am in no hurry to trade him either......I'd rather have him here, but I understand why that might not be the right decision either.

[DaveW]

Yes, it's just 65 PAs for Arcia, but not completely irrelevant like Pelf.

 

More curious numbers, the first two of which on this last have made many Twins fans downright giddy, of late.

 

MN Twins 2015 OPS rates:

 

1) Mauer .723

2) Hicks .720

3) Arcia .718

Well he isn't going to replace Mauer, and Hicks has a ton of value in the field and on the base paths. Arcia has no value in the field. A more accurate comparison for Arcia now would be Hunter or Sano.

 

There is no reason to compare him to a CF and a C

[jokin]

 

Well he isn't going to replace Mauer, and Hicks has a ton of value in the field and on the base paths. Arcia has no value in the field. A more accurate comparison for Arcia now would be Hunter or Sano.

There is no reason to compare him to a CF and a C

 

Except of the reason I posted it.  

 

His bat, particularly from the left side where the Twins are sorely lacking, can potentially be of significant help in the second half.  And he's clearly mashing at AAA in the same way he did the previous two years, and followed that up after he was called up.

 

And Joe Mauer hasn't been a catcher for a couple years now, and is still near the bottom of all 1st baseman in offensive production.

[drjim]

Teams can get creative with the injury exceptions etc, plus if they make the playoffs Santana is suspended again which automatically opens up a spot,also I thought Aug 31st date was only for acquisitions, not for players already on the 40 man.

Correct. 40 man roster not 25.

 

This might impact Jay or Berrios if they want to bring them up but not Arcia.

[DaveW]

Except of the reason I posted it.

 

His bat, particularly from the left side where the Twins are sorely lacking, can potentially be of significant help in the second half. And he's clearly mashing at AAA in the same way he did the previous two years, and followed that up after he was called up.

 

And Joe Mauer hasn't been a catcher for a couple years now, and is still near the bottom of all 1st baseman in offensive production.

He isn't going to replace Mauer in the lineup. The Catcher was a typo/mistake on my part.

 

If he is a current upgrade over Hunter (I think he is) or Rosario (I don't think he is) then that is who he should be compared to.

[DaveW]

Correct. 40 man roster not 25.

 

This might impact Jay or Berrios if they want to bring them up but not Arcia.

I think even berrios would be fine. Santana coming off would open up one spot anyways.

[howieramone2]

 

Also, as the season goes on, Dozier is probably going to need some time to rest too. Rosario as the backup second baseman 3-4 games the rest of the year (coming into 2015, TR or Antony has indicated that Rosario would get 2B time in the minors, so it isn't out of the question).

I think their exact words were, Rosario will play second when Mauer catches.

[jokin]

 

He isn't going to replace Mauer in the lineup. The Catcher was a typo/mistake on my part.

If he is a current upgrade over Hunter (I think he is) or Rosario (I don't think he is) then that is who he should be compared to.

 

 

Or how about if instead of comparing him to others specifically, consider the point I actually made- adding him to the roster would be a net upgrade when considering all of the other options.

[Matt Kummer]

If you're looking for a left handed bat who would PH, DH and play a corner OF position sparingly, why not bring up Arcia and DFA Nunez?

I actually think Nunez's bat does have some value, but if the Twins are going to keep Escobar as the utility guy, Nunez becomes redundant. Danny Santana isn't going to be a superstar, but he is the best option to start at SS right now.

I'd rather have the left handed power bat available down the stretch, as opposed to both of the Eduardos.

[spinowner]

 

Teams can get creative with the injury exceptions etc, plus if they make the playoffs Santana is suspended again which automatically opens up a spot,also I thought Aug 31st date was only for acquisitions, not for players already on the 40 man.

 

 

Correct. 40 man roster not 25.

This might impact Jay or Berrios if they want to bring them up but not Arcia.

I may be wrong but this is not how I understand it. I'm pretty sure that the 25-man roster as it stands on Aug. 31 is the 25-man roster that has to be used for the postseason. I believe the only two exceptions are DL-related. If a player is on the DL on Aug. 31 then that player may take the place of any other player. And if a player on the Aug. 31 roster is placed on the DL then any other player on the 40-man may be added.

[tbruggs11]

Absolutely call up Arcia, but……...

 

The guy is a platoon player.  He mashes right handed pitching but can't hit left handers.  Look up his splits.  He is not even close to being serviceable against lefties(not to mention factoring in his defensive ability).  In fact his OPS in triple A right now is 590 Vs lefties.  However………….he crushes righties in AAA and in the majors.  Have him play against righties only and pinch hit late in the game for Santana, Suzuki, Hicks VS right handed relief guys on days a lefty starts.  

 

Its time to call a spade a spade with this guy.  His defensive liabilities are worth it vs right handed pitching only.  A platoon and pinch hitter is what we have and he could be a very productive one at that!!

[USAFChief]

It's very difficult for me to believe he wouldn't help the Twins more over the rest of the season than Robinson.

 

Bring him up.

[Blackjack]

 

It's very difficult for me to believe he wouldn't help the Twins more over the rest of the season than Robinson.

Bring him up.

 

Would you want Arcia brought up if he only played once a week and/or had 7 AB's per week? Would that be good for the Twins long-term?

[USAFChief]

Would you want Arcia brought up if he only played once a week and/or had 7 AB's per week? Would that be good for the Twins long-term?

yes, I'd want him up.

 

The Twins first concern should be 2015. Long term concerns should come after immediate concerns for a team in contention in July. Not to mention, he is out of options in 2016, so it's time to get started learning if he is a piece of the future.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Would you want Arcia brought up if he only played once a week and/or had 7 AB's per week? Would that be good for the Twins long-term?

 

Yes. But I'd play him 2x a week in RF, and one at DH......and PH.

 

You can't always wait for the future......at some point, you have to play to win. And, I doubt playing 1/3 the time this year will cripple him long term.

[bertrecords]

Oswaldo Arcia has hit 6 HRs in his last 35 minor league at bats.  He has already demonstrated major league power to the tune of 25-30 HR per year pro-rated.  He has terrible breath and the front office prefers a more svelte body shape.  He requires days off more often than many players.  Therefore, he is in the minors.

 

He is not a top outfield defender.  But, he may be the Twins best hitter.

 

Nunez and Robinson are the players to demote, or  Rosario or Santana.  If Torii Hunter were to be injured and replaced by Oswaldo, projection systems like ZIPS predict OPS would improve.    You could go into the corner infield/DH options  and still most likely have an offensive upgrade with Arcia.  Pre-season ZIPS had Arcia as the Twins best hitter, better than Mauer, Plouffe, Hunter, Dozier and Sano, in that order.  Dozier and Sano have shown an uptick; you can make the case they might be better than you thought in the pre-season.  Oswaldo Arcia has done nothing to change your opinion of him.  The best Twins team still includes Oswaldo.  

 

The Twins have had a lot of luck to this point, and luck tends to balance out.  If  the Twins are pushing to make the playoffs, they need their best team in Minnesota.

[mickeymental]

 

Oswaldo Arcia has hit 6 HRs in his last 35 minor league at bats.  He has already demonstrated major league power to the tune of 25-30 HR per year pro-rated.  He has terrible breath and the front office prefers a more svelte body shape.  He requires days off more often than many players.  Therefore, he is in the minors.

 

He is not a top outfield defender.  But, he may be the Twins best hitter.

 

Nunez and Robinson are the players to demote, or  Rosario or Santana.  If Torii Hunter were to be injured and replaced by Oswaldo, projection systems like ZIPS predict OPS would improve.    You could go into the corner infield/DH options  and still most likely have an offensive upgrade with Arcia.  Pre-season ZIPS had Arcia as the Twins best hitter, better than Mauer, Plouffe, Hunter, Dozier and Sano, in that order.  Dozier and Sano have shown an uptick; you can make the case they might be better than you thought in the pre-season.  Oswaldo Arcia has done nothing to change your opinion of him.  The best Twins team still includes Oswaldo.  

 

The Twins have had a lot of luck to this point, and luck tends to balance out.  If  the Twins are pushing to make the playoffs, they need their best team in Minnesota.

nice to see oswaldo's mom got her computer fixed.

[Blackjack]

 

yes, I'd want him up.

The Twins first concern should be 2015. Long term concerns should come after immediate concerns for a team in contention in July. Not to mention, he is out of options in 2016, so it's time to get started learning if he is a piece of the future.

I'm still not convinced that he should be brought up yet, he's disappointed me too many times, let him pull a 'Milone', prove it over a longer period of time -- at Rochester. If he's truly turned the corner, he'll force his way back up - in mid August or September.

[drjim]

I only want Arcia up if they have a plan laid out that we can all understand.

 

He'll be up soon enough, but I'm sure they want him to get daily reps as long as they can. Won't happen in the bigs.

[bertrecords]

Arcia doesn't need to turn any corners.  He is who he is-- the Twins best offensive player or something close to that.  Granted, with Sano, Plouffe and Mauer, there isn't an obvious corner infield/DH spot to play him every day at this present moment.

 

The Twins used to have this young, big tight pantsed guy at first in the 1990s.  Didn't look good on the Metrodome field.  The Twins had to dump him.  He currently DHs for the Red Sox.

[Craig Arko]

 

I only want Arcia up if they have a plan laid out that we can all understand.

 

He'll be up soon enough, but I'm sure they want him to get daily reps as long as they can. Won't happen in the bigs.

I'm content if they have a plan that they can understand. It's not my job to manage this stuff and I'm delighted to leave it to those who do have the job.

[mnfireman]

I think Arcia will be back this year, but probably not until August or September, barring an injury to someone. Sano at DH is blocking his return any earlier. And Arcia should be recalled before Vargas if Plouffe gets hurt and Sano is moved to 3B full time, he has proven to be able to hit MLB pitching and Vargas has not.

 

The other option, like it or not, is to trade him and hope his career numbers are less than Buxton, Sano, Kepler, Rosario, Vargas, Walker and whoever else is kept here to play OF/DH. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

I think Arcia will be back this year, but probably not until August or September, barring an injury to someone. Sano at DH is blocking his return any earlier. And Arcia should be recalled before Vargas if Plouffe gets hurt and Sano is moved to 3B full time, he has proven to be able to hit MLB pitching and Vargas has not.

 

The other option, like it or not, is to trade him and hope his career numbers are less than Buxton, Sano, Kepler, Rosario, Vargas, Walker and whoever else is kept here to play OF/DH. 

 

or to hope the guy(s) they get contribute positively to a winning team, and not worry about "winning" the Arcia vs others trade.....because people often forget the players they keep that play that spot....

[spinowner]

I still think Arcia will be a force in the lineup in a year or two. Picture this in 2017:

Buxton, Santana, Sano, Vargas, Arcia, Dozier, Mauer, Hicks, catcher-to-be-named-later.

[Bulldog]

No there is no room Eddie Rosario and Aaron hicks and Byron Buxton are the twins futureshe is going to be a good DH but he isn't fast enough and he strikes out i bet if you added up all of the strikes outs of the outfielders Arcia would have more

[nicksaviking]

The other option, like it or not, is to trade him and hope his career numbers are less than Buxton, Sano, Kepler, Rosario, Vargas, Walker and whoever else is kept here to play OF/DH.

 

I'd prefer not to trade Arcia as I think he's going to be an offensive stud once he finally gets consistant MLB playing time.

 

Still, the Twins don't have to "Win" every trade for it to be beneficial. There's just not going to be enough at bats for all the young corner bats in the pipeline. Get something or get nothing.

[jokin]

 

No there is no room Eddie Rosario and Aaron hicks and Byron Buxton are the twins futureshe is going to be a good DH but he isn't fast enough and he strikes out i bet if you added up all of the strikes outs of the outfielders Arcia would have more

 

 

Huh?  Eddie Rosario and Arcia have virtually identical K-rates.  And Arcia has a BB% of 6.2% vs Rosario's 3.9%.  

 

Buxton and Schafer were much, much worse on strike out rates.  

[Shaitan]

I think the Twins are taking the same route they took with Hicks last year in AA/AAA and with previous players I forget. Arcia has proven he can hit MLB pitching, but not consistently. He has proven he can hit AAA pitching, but not consistently.

 

He will get called up when he proves he can hit consistently, period. That, and Rosario (who looks good so far) is already starting to falter. It happens. Most prospects go up and down. Wait 'til there's a need. Arcia's problem feels like Morneau's in Year #2. He's used to destroying the opposition without the homework, so he doesn't put in the extra effort. Whenever it clicks that he can improve his game through additional effort or a different routine, it's going to be a good thing. By keeping him frustrated in AAA, the Twins are trying to force his hand.

 

[diehardtwinsfan]

I wonder if isn't his bat, but his glove.  No reason he couldn't be an average defender if he put the work in. 

[HitInAPinch]

Since June 26, Arcia's been hitting .366.  So, Arcia is tracking along the same lines as Sano, Hicks and Buxton before their call-ups. Is there a real need for Arcia?  As long as they keep trotting out INF's in LF, yea, there is.  For me, that's not really the issue.

 

Part of this season is about finding out what the MiLB'ers are really like.  There has been the typical successes and failures.  Sano's simple approach has been successful.  Hicks had to fight his way back.

RP's, maybe hopes were to high.  Too soon to tell.

 

For this year, this is the type of success I want to see for the Twins.  Being over .500 is a target I didn't think they could reach.  Being considered in the playoff push is a bonus.  Aug 1st call-up for Arcia.  I've read the reports on his offense.  I'd like to see what his defense is really like.