Two Trade Scenarios for the Twins to Acquire Miami’s Jesús Luzardo

I would just swap Larnach for Luzardo. If we had the money you could then go get Tyler O'Niell, which I think is a clear path to competing, but who knows if it's even feasible. 

The Lewis scenario seems both spicy and balanced to me. If the Marlins can't get a bat like that with very high upside, I expect them to hold Luzardo into the season and gamble that he stays healthy and re-establishes himself.

Larnach doesn't really fit. Marlins have several young LHB corner OF that are ready to be tested in the majors. Don't think Larnach is a substantial enough upgrade over them.

If we can get Luzardo for Larnach, do it ASAP. 

OK, first we have to get the Marlins management team somewhere where they catch malaria. Then when they get the night-sweat fever dreams, we trade them Larnach for Luzardo, all the while whispering "sign it, this is only a dream".

Other than that, no chance. How many teams would top that offer for Luzardo? Ten? Twenty?

Larnach for Luzardo is a pipe dream.

I love Lewis, but I love pitching more.  Trading  Lewis for Luzardo could solidify the rotation for years.  I would make that trade today.

Do the Fins want a higher ceiling or more quantifiable stats? Even though it's murky, we can still project an MVP-caliber ceiling for Lewis and IMO we have 2-3 guys in the minors who profile what we THOUGHT Larnach could be. The amount of improvement seems to be a pretty wide gap and that's even if Lewis plays 120 games a year. I'd drive the moving truck to Florida for him if that's "all it took". I'd throw in Mercedes or Schobel if I had to.

29 minutes ago, FlyingFinn said:

If we can get Luzardo for Larnach, do it ASAP. 

even if we have to through in Martin or Julien

Miami doesn't need a guy like Larnach right now. I'm not sure why the Marlins would trade Mack when they are desperate for catching. Lewis for Luzardo might work, but maybe Larnach and Lewis for Bryce Miller works too. I cannot envision Falvey trading Royce Lewis.

Could a Julien, Charlee Soto, and Billy Amick for Luzardo be fair?

Larnach straight up isn't going to do it. I think it would take at least Lewis for the fish to even consider this trade. I would set my sights higher and make the Cubs an offer they can't refuse for Steele. Lewis, Julien, and Matthews?

Luzardo would be a great addition, We needed him last season. Luzardo & Lopez are good friends & fellow Venezuelans.

As value goes, Lewis is an overpay (I wouldn't trade him anyway) & Larnach is an underpay. Julien is a closer fit. But MIA isn't interested in any of them, MIA is looking for prospects. So we are looking at trading Keuschal straight up but better yet if they'd be interested in taking K Culpepper, G Gonzales & Doncon in a trade I'd be overjoyed. Luzardo has always been on my target. I'm for either of these trade options I suggested, we need to jump on them & not be passive.

I'm not willing to trade Lewis in his prime, , when we're not willing to do that with Buxton or Kepler a few years back. We got the most we could get out of there years. So trading Lewis this early when we aren't paying him a lot, makes no sense  I worry about the second trade because we are losing Kepler and maybe  Castro .  Who will  play  outfield? So no to both.

I'm out on Luzardo at any price because of injury concerns. Falvey needs to find bats that can also use a glove when in the field.

I agree with some of the other posters here, I doubt the Marlins trade Luzardo for Larnach even up. 

As for trading Lewis, it would take some gonads to do that swap but I would do it. Hitters are easier to find than starters, particularly lefty starters.

Larnach and Julien so they can throw in a lottery ticket prospect along with Luzardo

Love to get some pitching depth. Some good rookie talent but they haven’t gone beyond 130 innings pitched (give or take a few). Gotta trade Paddack for the best offer we receive. Ryan has either been injured or his performance has slipped late since since acquired from the Rays. FO will have to get creative this offseason.  

so as a Miami guy, we don't need Larnach, Royce is interesting, would want to see if we can build bigger package and remove our catcher from the trade.

Both have some injury concerns so it's fair, but if Jesus got healthy you'd be looking one top 25 prospect and another top 70 prospect for 2 years, we only do Royce if we sign him to extension 

What everyone  - especially Twins front office seems to forget is that player trades CAN involve more than just TWO teams.  Adding a third or fourth team to the deal and involving the movement of additional players may just be what it takes to get a deal done while adding to the possibility of getting who/what you want at a cost you are willing to pay.

In a world in which Luzardo could be had for Larnach straight up I'm not sure why any other discussion is had

I seem to remember when we were playing the Astros in the playoffs the only Twins rising up to the occasion was Lewis. I'd rather trade Carlos Correa and his salary than Lewis. But then again the Marlins don't want to pay anyone. They can have Julian. If they want an outfielders I'd trade Wallner and Larnach. 

Personally I'd rather move Correa, Lopez, and Buxton and build around.....

Rodriguez, Jenkins and Wallner in OF
Lewis at 3rd (Marcelo Mayer from Boston SS in Lopez trade), Lee 2nd and Julian 1st
Jeffers Catcher
Luke Keaschall DH and 1B

It would more likely need to be Wallner instead of Larnach to tempt the Marlins. More team control and more upside.  TBH I would still do that - Wallner for Luzardo. With Rodriguez coming in 2025 and Jenkins not long after I do think Wallner could be a trade chip. 

15 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

I'm out on Luzardo at any price because of injury concerns. Falvey needs to find bats that can also use a glove when in the field.

Many Twins fans have been clamoring for Luzardo for a couple of years now. He's always been an intriguing pitcher with lots of potential, but the frequent injury concerns that you mentioned are a red flag. That said, if they could trade a player like Larnach straight up for him I'd do it. But as others have suggested, I think it would take a lot more to make that trade, and no way am I giving up Lewis for Luzardo. 

I do not see anyway Luzardo for Larnach straight up would happen.  If Miami was willing to do that, you jump at it.  I doubt Miami would want to do that as well because they put themselves into full rebuild mode I feel like with trades they made last year. So why would they want to bring in a guy that is just above average hitter that will only have a couple more years of control for a good rotation pitcher?  

I am not keen on the system of Miami to see how close they feel their window is, and Lewis could move things because even if they are not ready he could get swapped for something.  

We aren't trading Lewis anytime soon. He could be one of our best hitters, you don't get rid of a guy like that when we are desperate for offense. Luzardo would be great for us. He's left handed which is a look we don't have. He strikes guys out and is good friends and teammates with Lopez. Maybe working together, Lopez could help Luzardo improve his game somehow. Yes he had a down year and yes he's injury prone, but that is the only reason we might be able to get him. I don't think Larnach would be enough. Adding a prospect might do it. This would allow Festa Mathews and Morris some much needed time in AAA before they're called up. Larnach can be replaced with a free agent RH outfielder or some combo of Castro, Martin or Keirsey Jr, at least until Rodriguez or Rosario are ready. That being said, I highly doubt we do anything like this. :(

Lets be real -the only way we'll add someone who has a $6M payroll figure is if we trade someone like Vazquez along with at least $6M of his salary.  Otherwise there's no point in dreaming.