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    Cody Pirkl

    This winter the Twins chose not only to hang onto their overwhelming depth of left-handed corner outfield bats but to add to the group. Finally, as they approach June, they’re starting to feel the effects.

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    Matt Wallner has become something of a forgotten top prospect before his recent stint in the big leagues. Many write him off because of his lack of range as a defender and his heavy swing-and-miss tendencies. He’s been stashed in St. Paul for much of the season where he’s dominated the competition, as he has at every other stop in the minors. Having finally been given a chance to show what he can do at the big league level, Wallner has come through. Unfortunately, the Twins have set up a situation where it doesn’t matter what Wallner shows, he’s buried too far down the depth chart. 

    This winter the Twins reportedly had trade offers on the table for Max Kepler. He’s underperformed expectations in every year of his career aside from the juiced ball 2019 and was coming off of a 2022 season in which he failed to produce at even league-average levels. It seemed Kepler’s time as a Twin was coming to an end, especially when they signed Joey Gallo to hit from the left side and play a gold glove-caliber corner outfield. Instead, they kept them both.

    To be fair, neither move has been an albatross. Kepler has been a shade above average offensively, and his defense remains a plus. Gallo has been a boon at least at times as a source of power in an offense that has been the team's Achilles Heel. Unfortunately, those are just two pieces of the left-handed puzzle. Nick Gordon was still in the picture, as was the switch-hitting Willi Castro, not to mention Trevor Larnach, who was recently placed on the IL with pneumonia.

    It took injuries to three left-handed outfielders for Matt Wallner to get an opportunity at the big-league level despite posting a 120 wRC+ at every stop in the minor leagues. Last September he was called up and posted an above-league-average slash line in the MLB as well. 

    Wallner was called up for a brief five-game spell when Larnach hit the IL and has showcased what he could do. His total after 11 big league games this season includes a .368/.520/.579 slash line. The major red flag in his profile is the strikeout rate, and he’s kept the whiffs below 20% so far. Wallner’s on-base power combo has been a refreshing addition to a Twins lineup that continues to sink further into the abyss. With news of Max Kepler’s IL trip coming to an end, however, Wallner is getting sent back to St. Paul.

    There isn’t a corresponding move that makes more sense than sending down a left-handed corner outfielder for Max Kepler’s return. If Larnach were healthy and playing he would have been the casualty considering it was Kepler’s injury that got him up in the first place. That being said, it’s a huge bummer. There was never any level of performance that would have kept Wallner in the big leagues, and they set themselves up for this situation. The only route for young left-handed bats to get an opportunity is through injury. No matter how well they perform, they’re doomed to be sent back down when the corresponding player is healthy.

    The Twins find themselves in the middle of a no man's land that they had to have known was a possibility. It’s possible that Wallner’s recent stretch of success puts him ahead of Larnach on the depth chart, but they’ll both still fall behind two players in Gallo and Kepler who have been too good to cut bait with but have no possibility of being cornerstones of a lineup. Alex Kirilloff will hopefully be up to stay. Nick Gordon will also be back later this season. The Twins have an undeniable unwillingness to turn the page on organizational favorites like Max Kepler, and to be fair, Kepler has justified the move. Joey Gallo has been a strong addition to the team even with his well-known deficiencies. Rostering both is beginning to stretch the definition of the word “depth”

    As the lineup continues to find new lows it’s becoming fair to wonder whether new faces might be the answer rather than relying on a full lineup rebound. Matt Wallner will head back to St. Paul having reached base in eight consecutive plate appearances. There’s a small chance at the very least that he was becoming a much-needed contributor to the Twins lineup, and if they had the ability, it’s fair to say the Twins would have allowed this hot streak to play out. Unfortunately, we really won’t know until another injury occurs, and that’s a shame.

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    Count me in the bummed category with Wallner fresh off a 6 for 6, 2 walk stretch 2 game hot streak.  Kepler has been better this year in general so far so I get them bringing back once healthy.  Still a hot bat generally isn't something to mess with.  If a guy is seeing the ball well making solid contact you want to ride that out. 

    Matts day will come and he could be starting as early as next year so not too worried about him.  After being sent back down he can still work on K rate and or bring that AAA OPS to a level that can no longer be ignored.  Happy to see him not lost at the MLB level and am hoping he is another difference making bat.  Will have to wait a bit longer to find out.

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    Gallo has been doing just enough to keep in the lineup. Most days Joey is at first base and has not been too good in the outfield. Does he need some time on the IL to heal a leg injury? Ideally, Kirilloff is the first baseman. 

    Yes, the team has a glut of left-handed hitting corner outfielders when one lines up Gallo, Kepler, Larnach, and Wallner with Gordon on the 60 day IL now and Castro as an everywhere reserve player. I guess this was a reaction to watching Cave and Contreras last September. By the end of July, I would expect some changes via trades.

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    Wallner will get his chance next year most likely.  He will keep getting chances as guys get hurt and what not, but his lack of defense will be something that holds him back.  The fact Buck is now a DH and appears will never play OF again, I am hoping I am wrong, this takes away the DH from Wallner.  He will either need to improve greatly, or be such an extremely good hitter we will deal with the bad defense. 

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    I have mixed feelings about this. While I understand and agree with most of the points made in this article, I think we also need to look at the positives in this situation too.

    Last year, we were clamoring for depth after the disastrous September where we succumbed to injuries, so I can't really fault the FO for adding, and keeping, as much depth as they possibly could. Although it sucks that Wallner is put in a situation where he likely can't claim a roster spot no matter how well he plays, it's a nice luxury to have him as the 5th or 6th outfielder instead of Celestino or Contreras.

    Not to mention, there is a great chance that one, if not both of Gallo and Kepler will be gone next year. So this is not a situation where Wallner is blocked for the foreseeable future, it is only temporary. 

    Also, while it's easier to get excited about the young prospect with a high ceiling, we really need the boring but reliable guys like Kepler, especially with the way our roster is constructed. In order to incorporate rookies, you need to have some dependable stars that are going to pick up the slack if said rookies struggle. For the Twins, that is sadly not the case, as Correa and Buxton are both tremendously streaky and injury-prone. In order to incorporate young players into the mix, you have to have solid top 5 in the lineup IMO. You see the Yankees being able to give guys like Volpe and Oswaldo Cabrera a chance because Judge, LeMahieu, Rizzo and Torres are consistent. The same goes for Baty and Alvarez on the Mets, because they have guys like Nimmo, Lindor, McNeil and Alonso that anchor the lineup. The Twins, on the other hand, are relying on guys like Kirilloff and Julien to produce at the top of the lineup, when they should be hitting towards the bottom. Since we don't have the luxury of having that dependable star, we need consistent production from every spot in the lineup, and in that regard, Kepler is better than Wallner.

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    Not sure how bad the defense might be? Anyway, Kepler, unless he goes crazy with the bat, is done after ‘23. Potentially, a trade piece with a prospect in July.

    Walner will have a chance with this organization in the next 8 weeks or from the beginning next season.

    Larnach still leads the team in RBI & he’s not on the roster either.

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    I understand they had to send Waller down but by next year I want 

    Lewis

    Krilloff

    larnach

    Wallner

    julien

    up at the same time with Lee joining them by mid season. Obviously we need to keep Correa, Buxton and two catchers but other than that everyone else is fair game to dump to make room for the young guns.

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    Kepler needed to go last winter.   They should have took anything for him. He's been putrid since his juice ball year. No other way to say it.  Gold glove OF Gallo playing 1B is not ideal , but that's your brain trust for ya....Take a proven stud in the corner Of positions and make him play very , very average 1B

    Don't get me started on Buxton not playing the OF at all.  That really binds up the best lineup they could play.

    Baldelli getting a extension is flat out ridiculous.   A  game lead in the worst division in all of MLB is nothing to brag about.  This team should be up by 6/7 with a competent manager.  But he's just a puppet for the front office.  God almighty , his handling of Pagan alone could make a 3 game swing. LH Taylor Rodgers would look good out of that pen right??? 

     

     

     

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    I find it sad.  Gallo has a reputation that I do not understand with Twins writers.  Yes his cumulative Slg looks good,  But was early season success when he piled up 7 HRs in April.  In May he had 4.  His OBP in April was 349 in May it was 326. OPS in May was 1.066 in April it was 706. .  In April he batted 226, in May 183.  He struck out 21 times in April and 32 in May.   I can do without him.  If he is going to be gone next year I say good riddance, 

    Kepler batted 263 in April and 142 in May.  And we send Wallner down?  OBP April 343, May 234.  SLG 491 - 381.  OPS 835/615.  

    I hate the justifications of these players without looking deeper.  In April they were contributors in May they were Albatrosses ( I hate to denigrate the bird).

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    With Gallo having problem with his leg it would have seemed to make sense to put him on IR and let Wallner play a few more games with the Twins. This should have been a easy choice for the front office.

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    Playing Buxton in center would open up a lineup spot at DH for some of the younger talent. Buxton is ok at DH but not the surefire superstar he is when playing center. I truly do not get it. I would rather have 90 games of Buxton in center than the current configuration. 

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    We don't have a glut of left handed outfielders. 

    We have a glut of veteran players performing average to below average baseball with a bat in their hands. 

    I love Byron Buxton... he is one of us and will be for a long time. I don't want to feel this way but... I'm sorry... I'm almost at the point of starting to resent Buxton. I'm trying my best to understand that there is a medical reason for his playing DH but it's a bottleneck no matter how you slice it. 

    We were vet healthy when this team cratered into the bottom portion of most hitting stats about three weeks ago. 

    We are about to be vet healthy again. Hopefully we will see different results because Kirilloff and Lewis are now in the fold. And that is of course... youth leading the way... not the vets. 

    I'm getting tired of the 1 for 4 day being a good day for our vets.  

    Wallner has 1 more 4 hit day than all of the vets combined this season.  

     

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    52 minutes ago, Trov said:

    Wallner will get his chance next year most likely.  He will keep getting chances as guys get hurt and what not, but his lack of defense will be something that holds him back.  The fact Buck is now a DH and appears will never play OF again, I am hoping I am wrong, this takes away the DH from Wallner.  He will either need to improve greatly, or be such an extremely good hitter we will deal with the bad defense. 

    Is he really that bad defensively? He has a cannon of an arm - teams will stop running on him based on that. When you can make 97 mph throws from right field, that is an asset.

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    28 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

    I find it sad.  Gallo has a reputation that I do not understand with Twins writers.  Yes his cumulative Slg looks good,  But was early season success when he piled up 7 HRs in April.  In May he had 4.  His OBP in April was 349 in May it was 326. OPS in May was 1.066 in April it was 706. .  In April he batted 226, in May 183.  He struck out 21 times in April and 32 in May.   I can do without him.  If he is going to be gone next year I say good riddance, 

    Kepler batted 263 in April and 142 in May.  And we send Wallner down?  OBP April 343, May 234.  SLG 491 - 381.  OPS 835/615.  

    I hate the justifications of these players without looking deeper.  In April they were contributors in May they were Albatrosses ( I hate to denigrate the bird).

    Every hitter will have up and down weeks/months. Gallo may be injured to the point it is impacting his numbers. Still, it's hard to argue with the cumulative numbers: he leads the team in home runs, 2nd in runs scored, 3rd in RBIs, has the highest OPS (.862) among those who have played the entire regular season, 3rd in WAR but only 6th in total at bats. Gallo is not the problem.

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    47 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

    To summarize -- what we are saying is that we have too much talent available? 

    I would change that to too much of the same level of talent. The guys we're talking about are mostly average to slightly above average at this point in time. The difference with some is we know their ceiling (Kepler in particular). At least with Larnach and Wallner there is probably room to grow.

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    51 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

    To summarize -- what we are saying is that we have too much talent available? 

    That's a piece of it, yes. The question to ask is whether the veterans like Kepler are valuable enough to justify the lack of opportunity for players who may be better than him. 

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    11 minutes ago, arby58 said:

    Is he really that bad defensively? He has a cannon of an arm - teams will stop running on him based on that. When you can make 97 mph throws from right field, that is an asset.

    I think people underestimate how difficult it is to just be thrown into right field with that overhang too. That takes time to learn. Wallner may not have Kepler's range but the arm brings a whole different form of value.

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    Kepler and Pagan. The FO (my Indiana Jones) seems to have trouble saying goodbye. I wonder if they still have tee shirts from junior high.  Perhaps they hold out hope that Brad and Jen get back together.

    The fact that Kepler has been about averagish isn't the point. In the self imposed salary cap world of the Twins, what could he have brought in a trade or what could his money have garnered? Obviously IDK but the lack of spending, for instance, in the bullpen has reared its ugly head.   

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    1 hour ago, saviking said:

    I understand they had to send Waller down but by next year I want 

    Lewis

    Krilloff

    larnach

    Wallner

    julien

    up at the same time with Lee joining them by mid season. Obviously we need to keep Correa, Buxton and two catchers but other than that everyone else is fair game to dump to make room for the young guns.

    I would add Polo to my list of position players to keep in 2024.

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    39 minutes ago, Cody Pirkl said:

    That's a piece of it, yes. The question to ask is whether the veterans like Kepler are valuable enough to justify the lack of opportunity for players who may be better than him. 

    Let me phrase it another way. 

    Kyle Garlick has had 19 plate appearances. 

    Max Kepler has had 119 plate appearances. 

    Without Max Kepler in the picture, Kyle Garlick would have some number more than 19 plate appearances. Having too much talent is not a problem. 

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    An organizational favorite  , not sure that is right , at least since 2019 , great defense  though ....

    An organizational favorite  was actually traded and I keep missing him more each day when the veterans can't hit consistently on a daily basis  , hit it where they ain't  ...

    Everyone liked arraez's approach at the plate and his defense at first was worthy   ...

    He played the game  with a passion , played wherever you asked him to and brought excitement to the game ...

    I'd take 9 batters in the lineup if they could all hit like arreaz  and we'd win more games this way than waiting and waiting and waiting for a game changing homerun ...

    We are not a homerun hitting team especially in the clutch with runners on base ...

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    2 hours ago, Dman said:

    Count me in the bummed category with Wallner fresh off a 6 for 6, 2 walk stretch 2 game hot streak.  Kepler has been better this year in general so far so I get them bringing back once healthy.  Still a hot bat generally isn't something to mess with.  If a guy is seeing the ball well making solid contact you want to ride that out. 

    Matts day will come and he could be starting as early as next year so not too worried about him.  After being sent back down he can still work on K rate and or bring that AAA OPS to a level that can no longer be ignored.  Happy to see him not lost at the MLB level and am hoping he is another difference making bat.  Will have to wait a bit longer to find out.

    Kepler's hitting .202 for the season and has carried low batting averages from 2020-2023. How does that warrant being ahead of Wallner? Kepler makes an out ~ 8 times in every 10 AB! Yuk.

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    Should have kept Wallner and DFA Solano.  Solano is old and league average at best.  His “utility” is not necessary with Correa, Farmer, Julien, Castro, Lewis, Kirilloff and Gallo available to cover infield positions. Polanco will be back soon also.  
     

    Would like to see three LH outfielders starting against RH pitching with Kepler in center.  Adds value to showcase Max in CF.  

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    57 minutes ago, Cody Pirkl said:

    I think people underestimate how difficult it is to just be thrown into right field with that overhang too. That takes time to learn. Wallner may not have Kepler's range but the arm brings a whole different form of value.

    Agree, that doesn’t get talked about much but is important.

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    19 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

    Let me phrase it another way. 

    Kyle Garlick has had 19 plate appearances. 

    Max Kepler has had 119 plate appearances. 

    Without Max Kepler in the picture, Kyle Garlick would have some number more than 19 plate appearances. Having too much talent is not a problem. 

    How do you figure that? If Kepler weren't here it would have been more ABs for one of the many left handed options. It's not like Kepler is the barrier keeping Garlick from playing everyday.

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    7 minutes ago, Greglw3 said:

    Kepler's hitting .202 for the season and has carried low batting averages from 2020-2023. How does that warrant being ahead of Wallner? Kepler makes an out ~ 8 times in every 10 AB! Yuk.

    I don't think it makes him "better" but he is a vet so a known quantity.  He plays good defense.  He has no options so if DFA'd likely lost for good.  He has been about league average so not horrible but not great either.

    We have no idea who Wallner is and lot's of young guys start out hot until teams find weaknesses to exploit.  Wallner needs to play everyday.  I don't think Gallo or Max are on this team next year so Wallner will get a real chance next year for sure.  Also given the tender Hammies on Both Kepler and Gallo he might see more action this year as well.

    I wish they would have left the hot bat alone until it cooled off at least for one game but vet's get their spots back when ready.  That's just the way it works.

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    1 hour ago, Cody Pirkl said:

    That's a piece of it, yes. The question to ask is whether the veterans like Kepler are valuable enough to justify the lack of opportunity for players who may be better than him. 

    I think the value that Kepler holds is that he is a known commodity. We can pencil him in for a average-ish offensive season while providing solid defense. If 100 is an average player, we know he is going to be somewhere around 90~110. On the other hand, we don't know what Wallner will do over a full season. His range is something like 70~130. If you have a lineup full of proven players, I think you take the upside of Wallner. But in the Twins' case, we are relying far too heavily on high-variance players. We have no idea what guys like Kirilloff, Julien, Miranda, Wallner, Royce and Larnach are going to do. Heck, with the injury concerns with our star players, we can't even count on great seasons from Buxton, Correa and Polanco. Gallo is a huge question mark as well. So in this case, there is value to be had in having a guy like Kepler whose production you can pretty much pencil in before the season is even played.

    Trust me, Kepler is far from being my favorite player. But we all complain about how inconsistent this offense is, and if we had more Wallners and less Keplers, the lineup would be even more inconsistent IMO.

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    3 hours ago, Cody Pirkl said:

    There isn’t a corresponding move that makes more sense than sending down a left-handed corner outfielder for Max Kepler’s return.

    Cody, if you paused and used your imagination, I think you could come up with several corresponding moves that would have made more sense. The corresponding move does not have to be permanent, it only has to help make the team better for a short time until another move is needed.

     

     

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    Here's the reality (to me). Kepler is most likely a proven mediocrity, but with excellent defense. Because of a combination of injuries, so-so production at the major league level and inconsistent playing time, none of Kirilloff, Wallner or Larnach is truly proven. Maybe i'm holding the bar too high, but after a supposedly sure-thing hitter (Miranda) has fizzled this year, can the Twins count on any of these young(ish) players to be a mainstay? Wallner played mostly when the season had slipped away last year and had a nice cameo last week. Kirlloff has been hounded by injuries and I think some fans and front office people want him to prove they hype before fully committing to him and Larnach has had good moments, bad moments and lot of injuries. The likelihood that one of these guys will be better than Kepler is pretty high. The chances that two will exceed what Max offers are more of an even money thing and having all three thrive is more of a wish than a future reality.

    Having Larnach, Kirilloff, and Wallner mashing from the left side added to Lewis (again a projection, not reality), Buxton, Correa and Polanco (or Julien) makes for quite a potent offense. It just hasn't been put together and probably never will. 

    Speaking of "never will" or at least I'll believe it when I see it, Max Kepler hasn't played center field in over a year and Byron Buxton hasn't been out there yet this year. Until someone announces that either of these things are on the table, I guess we'll see MAT and Castro as the center field options.

     

     

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