The Pohlads Are Running Out of Scapegoats

[sweetmusicviola16]

1 hour ago, NYCTK said:

Why would anyone stop hating the idiot billionaires that have literally tried to kill the franchise, and now metaphorically killed the franchise. Those same idiotic billionaires that said they were selling the team only to sell off a minority share to remain in charge? 

**** the Pohalds man. 

You must mean the Po'or'lads? The ones who want someone else to pay their way throughout life. The taxpayers subsidize them a stadium. They want a new owner to subsidize their bad debt, when they wouldn't they found these minority ones to do it. 

[JADBP]

Strategically, Falvey was on Planet Oz.  He was trying some insane moves to succeed as a GM on a low payroll team...and it worked horribly.  That's obvious with the poor drafting, signing, and trading.  His many failures far outweighed his few successes.  And, of course, he was in charge of the entire team...so he had decision control throughout the organization.

But, here's the rub.  WHY OH WHY did it take NINE years, with so many repeated failures, for the Pohlad's to wake up and DO SOMETHING about Falvey?  

Falvey's greatest success was in fooling the Pohlad's for so long!  That's on the owners, not Falvey.  Shame on them!

But, I am giving them a chance with a tough talking Tom.  If he fails, there is no hiding.  

[sweetmusicviola16]

I personally would not call Falvey a scapegoat. But what I do contend is that this franchise is run by morons. Tom is front and center. You can't be so indecisive in October to not know which direction you are going in. If a switch from Joe to Tom was the direction you don't wait until December to do it. And it's not like Tom didn't have a clue that he and Falvey weren't on the same page. He has known and worked with Falvey for years. Falvey should have been gone in October as well. By the time the WS is over the direction for the organization for the off season should have been set. This is ridiculous. Contending to be a non contender and showing how dysfunction works. 

[Teflon]

In the past, the Twins would just unveil a new uniform to distract us from the current goings-on. 

[awmonahan]

There is very little blame assigned to billionaires that outweighs having billions of dollars. It's one of the wonders of being disgustingly wealthy and owning the failing organization. Unless the Twins someone go bankrupt (which MLB won't allow), there's no price to pay for the Pohlads. 

[ashbury]

Here is a free idea for a Satire by RandBalls Stu.  An opinion piece titled:

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       The Twin Cities Fan Base Is Running Out of Scapegoats

 

[Blyleven2011]

5 hours ago, DJL44 said:

TC Bear is probably updating his resume as we speak

I think it's time for the bear to go to and get TC possum  , play dead at home and get killed on the road ....

I'm just kidding about the bear ...

[Rufus]

Aren't you running out of articles to write?

[Permanent Twins Fan]

So basically the entire group that was running the team in 2022-23 is gone. In 2022 we had J. Pohlad-Levine-Falvey-Baldelli-Correa. Now, since they are all gone, we have T. Pohlad-Zoll- Shelton-Buxton. And yet even with all that change, I am not convinced at all that anything is going to change for the Twins. 

[sun]

The new owner wants to take control of his organization, so what? He has a vision, he has consultants that consist of his family and the elite club of other MLB  owners to rely on for advice. He's not a dummy. Just look at Minneapolis on the national news, it's in the dumpster and filled with corruption and mayhem.. He wants to protect his investment. Maybe the new investors were promised a shake up from the top of the organization to the bottom when they bought into it. Whatever the reason, there's no scapegoat. Just a new boss who wants to be a boss and control his organization and who he trusts to run it. If I suddenly owned the Twins I would want to be in control to be be able to implement my own vision too. Everyone in the Twins organization should be fighting to keep their jobs by figuring how to win games and sell tickets. It starts with new coaches and then move up the ladder. If I had the billions I wouldn't care what anyone thinks either. It would be my way or hit the highway. Quit trying to fight progress.  He's the one with the reins so be patient and let him steer the organization...Giddyap!

[IndyTwinsFan]

11 hours ago, Woof Bronzer said:

Ope, Dave St Peter actually already did this in September 2023.  Tough Talkin' Tom has gestured toward fan-blaming too so it'll be interesting to see how he reacts when his "competitive" team is out of it by June 1.

High likelihood we'll be out of contention well before June 1.  Possibly even before April is over. 

[IndyTwinsFan]

It doesn't matter how much we spend on players, if you can't develop or improve them at a decent rate, you'll never attain consistent and long-term success.

For example, we can't develop decent MLB-caliber hitters and fielders at all.  Regarding pitchers, that's still an unanswered question, IMO.  That's an organizational problem, not an ownership problem. 

[Riverbrian]

19 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

Seems time to move on from pointing every finger at the Pohlads. They are the same as it ever was. Maybe forget about DK and his sitting on his hands approach too and hope Zoll finds some ideas.

What ideas do the Twins Daily writers have for moving forward .... or are the Pohlads going to dominate all baseball talk in 2026. Of course the Pohlads have been a burden, but that is now nearly 42 years old.

What is next?

I don't know who to blame. I've never known who to blame exactly so I've never asked for the blood of strangers. 

There is no doubt in my mind now. Tom is in charge. I've never known who is responsible.

I know now. Tom has told everyone that he is in charge.

For the first time in decades... I actually know where to point the finger going forward. 

 

[Otaknam]

“Until ownership is willing to examine its own role in the franchise’s struggles, the cycle will continue. There are no scapegoats left, except the ones in the mirror.” The Pohlads deserve lots of criticism, but the coaching staff is not guiltless despite the lack of financial investment that has hamstrung the team for the past two years. The best example is Baldelli playing Earl Weaver ball, just waiting for the three run homer instead of trying to manufacture runs, even when the team would struggle for weeks to score. This became very apparent once the roster was blown up by trades. All of a sudden, with two months left in the 25 season, the team started stealing multiple bases a game after four months of Baldelli concrete in their shoes. That’s on Rocco and his adherence to the management by computer algorithm analytics the front office insisted he follow. 

[tony&rodney]

17 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

I don't know who to blame. I've never known who to blame exactly so I've never asked for the blood of strangers. 

There is no doubt in my mind now. Tom is in charge. I've never known who is responsible.

I know now. Tom has told everyone that he is in charge.

For the first time in decades... I actually know where to point the finger going forward. 

 

The Twins fans have been dealing with Pohlads since 1984. MLB would not approve two other local bids for the same money because they wanted the team being sold to Carl Pohlad. It is a long story that has been told incorrectly and/or incompletely on dozen of occasions. 

I have never received as many thumbs down as suggesting fans move on from this latest debacle by the Pohlads (Tom in this case). I should have never commented at all. My comments were meant to move towards baseball talk. I consider Falvey and Tom Pohlad as one and the same as far as putting together a roster. I have been opposed to the Pohlads as owners from before they were approved as owners. Time for me to step away from Twins Daily. Minneapolis is under a military occupation and we are worried about if Tom Pohlad is different than his grandpa. MLB is a mess. The Twins are a mess. But both are doing far better than the U.S. Constitution. Good luck to Twins fans. That's all I got.

T

[Riverbrian]

1 hour ago, tony&rodney said:

The Twins fans have been dealing with Pohlads since 1984. MLB would not approve two other local bids for the same money because they wanted the team being sold to Carl Pohlad. It is a long story that has been told incorrectly and/or incompletely on dozen of occasions. 

I have never received as many thumbs down as suggesting fans move on from this latest debacle by the Pohlads (Tom in this case). I should have never commented at all. My comments were meant to move towards baseball talk. I consider Falvey and Tom Pohlad as one and the same as far as putting together a roster. I have been opposed to the Pohlads as owners from before they were approved as owners. Time for me to step away from Twins Daily. Minneapolis is under a military occupation and we are worried about if Tom Pohlad is different than his grandpa. MLB is a mess. The Twins are a mess. But both are doing far better than the U.S. Constitution. Good luck to Twins fans. That's all I got.

T

Your comments are fine. You have my respect. You have always been a solid poster whose opinions are worth listening to and I do.

I don't have the inside knowledge of what transpired in 1984. 

I just found your comment interesting in comparison with my own subjective personal standpoint. 

When you say it's time to stop finger pointing at the Pohlad's. I don't necessarily disagree with your personal opinion because it comes from a different place. 

It was just interesting to me because after decades of never really knowing who to exactly point fingers at... I am finally ready to start pointing fingers in the direction of ownership going forward because of the recent unmistakable public actions that leaves no doubt that Tom is in complete charge. 

Was Falvey to blame or was Falvey just trying to execute what ownership wanted while sitting in the background. I don't know. We have office dynamics where I work that can get in the way of doing exactly what I think we should do in regards to what I'm in charge of doing. There are times where I have to just simply work under the conditions that exist with very little hope of changing the conditions. I have also worked in other office dynamics where my department was my department with little questions asked. My superiors didn't attach unnecessary filters to what I thought needed to be done. How do the Twins operate? I've never known so I haven't finger pointed. I have complained constantly on my pet concerns but I've never said Falvey, Baldelli or the Pohlad's have to go. 

I assume there is a budget. I don't know what that budget is but I assume there is one and I assume the Twins budget will always be well below what the Phillies, Blue Jays and Yankees are able to spend... Let Alone the Mets and the Dodgers current spending levels. The Twins can't compete in that arena... they need to compete in the arena that they can win with. The Twins need to transition quickly to what Milwaukee and Cleveland are doing and then out spend them. Instead of the Phillies arena and being considerably out spent.         

Prior to Tom stepping into the limelight. I've never known who to blame. Now that he's in the spotlight and is the guy left standing in what is obviously a direction disagreement... I now know. 

I found that interesting. 

  

 

 

[Wrongdog2]

Face it the Pohlad family et all, hate and I mean hate the baseball buisness.   They hate the comments, they hate the scrutiny of their decisions,  they hate being labeled as penny pinching owners.  They obviously don't understand baseball as a team sport,   Do you honestly think any of the family members ever played orginized baseball?...T-ball ?  High School?  It would not surprise me if the current management were'nt out looking for a left handed shortstop.

We as fans have to accept the fact they just dont care and they are incapable of caring.  In addition you have inter- family  squables effecting how the team is run.  An Executive Board?  So group think on the bullpen?  Making bold statements about being competive when you have a smaller payroll and hole filled mangement team?  Really?

What we do have is a very nice stadium,  we dont have anyone that knows how to really put butts in chairs and or feild a competive team.  Maybe thats all been said before sadly

[NJM]

Hated that Popkins firing since it was announced, like gee, he wasn't the reason the team choked.