Arbitrary Thoughts: Joe Ryan

[sweetmusicviola16]

You  started a rebuild. Use your assets to come out of that rebuild in the very best position possible. To me the choice is obvious whether it's popular or not.

[Blyleven2011]

2 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Falvey didn't trade FOR Ryan. TB loved Nelson Cruz & had a surplus of AAA SPs. They APPROACHED Falvey, it was a no-brainer. That trade happened at the deadline & TB was desperate for offense. It was a good trade, Cruz just didn't click with them. Most FO's have the book on Falvey (they'll wait him out & not offer him anything) & the odds of that happening again are slim, especially in the offseason. Twins should have made a killing this deadline with all the great proven talent traded away. I was disappointed.

I was disappointed and so was my dog Kirby. 

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So that makes three ...

[Mike Sixel]

3 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Falvey didn't trade FOR Ryan. TB loved Nelson Cruz & had a surplus of AAA SPs. They APPROACHED Falvey, it was a no-brainer. That trade happened at the deadline & TB was desperate for offense. It was a good trade, Cruz just didn't click with them. Most FO's have the book on Falvey (they'll wait him out & not offer him anything) & the odds of that happening again are slim, especially in the offseason. Twins should have made a killing this deadline with all the great proven talent traded away. I was disappointed.

He literally acquired Ryan thru trade. I don't even know how you can be arguing this. 

[mikelink45]

4 hours ago, SteveLV said:

The Twins are HIGHLY unlikely to get Ryan to sign an extension they are willing to pony up.

So the analysis is:

1)  2 more years of Ryan for ~$18M plus a comp pick in 2028;  OR

2)  The value of trade assets he would return.

I would submit that Door #2 would and should be a big pile of assets.  Whether those assets outweigh Door #1 is the real question for the Twins' FO.

Other than Buxton (should he agree to waive his NTC) Ryan is the Twins' most valuable trade asset.  If they do trade him, they need to hit a home run.

 

I keep him.  Two years while we try to develop another good pitcher is worth a lot. 

[thelanges5]

15 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

I keep him.  Two years while we try to develop another good pitcher is worth a lot. 

I agree, you gotta keep him. If it were my money, I’d do my best to extend him. They say they wanna be competitive and that just isn’t true, especially if they trade Ryan and or Lopez. Actions speak louder than words.

[Parfigliano]

3 hours ago, BillyBallLives said:

Nobody know who is or who isn't going to pan out. Couple of hopefuls and a few maybe's is all we got.
Not much of a haul for a least 6 to 7 proven MLBer's. Time will tell and for now.....watching what pans out is about as exciting as it gets for Twins fans.  

I'm very very confident Outman does not pan out.

[Blyleven2011]

24 minutes ago, Parfigliano said:

I'm very very confident Outman does not pan out.

Im sure they will try and make it pan out , but if he can't get it going by 40 ganes or 30 into the season , thats a possible 150 at bats ...

Don't hesitate and keep playing him like they have done before with veteran's  ...

They traded Stewart on hope that Outman would start performing like his rookie year  , did he even hit a buck fifty with the twins  , Im not looking it up and I really don't care  ...

[Doctor Gast]

2 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

He literally acquired Ryan thru trade. I don't even know how you can be arguing this. 

TB traded FOR Cruz, they gave us Ryan, Falvey said OK. It doesn't take anything to do that. Falvey didn't trade FOR Ryan like you said. There's a big difference.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

11 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

I hope the Twins don't tender Joe Ryan. Because I'm hoping that they work out a long-term deal for 3-5 seasons.

I recognize that I'm probably living in fantasy land. (we have ice cream cake here, so it's nice)

Agree 100 per cent for Twins to try to sign Joe Ryan to a long term contract. He's worth the risk.

[Sjoski]

The Ryan situation smells exactly like what happened with Berrios. Jose just wanted out. He got his wish at the trade deadline in 2021...and the Twins were left with two prospects that 4 years later are still trying to stick in MLB. Neither one has yet to turn the corner. 

Can Falvey do better with trading Ryan? 

I highly doubt it.

[Vanimal46]

Joe Ryan's real thoughts were documented during the 2025 season. His comments at the end being "happy with the direction" of the team is complete BS that his agent told him to say while he worked on a trade out of here. The only way he signs an extension here is if the Twins pay him obscene amounts of money which is never going to happen. 

[tony&rodney]

Q#1. What team stands to benefit the most by acquiring Joe Ryan?

Q#2. What players from Q#1 team's organization are the best players for the Twins as a return in a deal?

Q#3. Can any of us submit a fair suggestion?

[Vanimal46]

5 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

Q#1. What team stands to benefit the most by acquiring Joe Ryan?

Q#2. What players from Q#1 team's organization are the best players for the Twins as a return in a deal?

Q#3. Can any of us submit a fair suggestion?

Q1: Any team that considers themselves playoff contenders in 2026

Q2: No idea, but I hope it's a high level SP, SS, or C as the headliner. 

Q3: Nothing that will match the real result. I am terrified that Derek Falvey continues to be the guy in charge of that decision. 

[Sjoski]

7 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

Q3: Nothing that will match the real result. I am terrified that Derek Falvey continues to be the guy in charge of that decision. 

I actually had a dream about Falvey blowing the Ryan trade. It was terrifying. 

 

[Whitey333]

I love all the comments and opinions.  They are all so accurate . Im of the opinion that both Ryan and Lopez will be traded.  Lopez for sure as his 21.5 million salary for each of 2026 and 2027 doesn't fit within a team rebuilding and slashing payroll.  Ryan should get good returns unless we keep getting more of those can't miss prospects.  We have plenty of those.  They do miss prospects.

[David Maro]

Why are we beating a dead horse here. Looking at Ryan's personality it tells you everything you need to know. He will be traded because he is not happy and doesn't want to waste another year on a last place team. Looking at Lopez and Buxton their personality's are different,but maybe after meeting with the FO that could change as well. 

One more thing that has to be considered is who is going to come in as manager and coaches. If the Polhad's want to gut the team even more the pool of managers will be slim. 

[tony&rodney]

On 10/16/2025 at 1:40 PM, TopGunn#22 said:

Either Teel or Quero gives the Twins a solid major league Catcher who can play 100-120 games behind the plate for years to come. 

They both had pretty good years. A few of us on TD were pounding the table for a trade to pry loose Teel last winter. The two Sox got together though. I believe the White Sox are solid in their view that their team needs both players and I cannot envision any trade that brings either guy to the Twins. That ship has sailed. 

I'm still hopeful for some magic to acquire a couple of guys who are ready but blocked: Harry Ford and Jeferson Quero. The magical question is whether the Mariners and/or the Brewers would even listen and also whether the Twins are willing to pay the price if it is a possibility. I'm hopeful only because I never give up.

[Mike Sixel]

6 hours ago, David Maro said:

Why are we beating a dead horse here. Looking at Ryan's personality it tells you everything you need to know. He will be traded because he is not happy and doesn't want to waste another year on a last place team. Looking at Lopez and Buxton their personality's are different,but maybe after meeting with the FO that could change as well. 

One more thing that has to be considered is who is going to come in as manager and coaches. If the Polhad's want to gut the team even more the pool of managers will be slim. 

There are only thirty jobs. There will be plenty of people that want it. 

[Doctor Gast]

On 10/16/2025 at 7:09 PM, Doctor Gast said:

TB traded FOR Cruz, they gave us Ryan, Falvey said OK. It doesn't take anything to do that. Falvey didn't trade FOR Ryan like you said. There's a big difference.

Sometimes I wonder how many good trade offers Falvey has passed up because they include his personal favorites that don't pan out.

[Bodie]

On 10/16/2025 at 10:29 AM, mikelink45 said:

Pitching has always been more important than hitting.  If Lopez and Ryan are gone and they are just as likely to trade both as keep both, who could we get for their combined salary to lead the rotation?  Our pipeline has no one ready to move to 1 and 2 and Ober just sunk position 3.  Keep them both - that is my arbitrary decision. 

Very generous on Ober after his most recent season...

If his performance in Spring Training mirrors his 2025 season he makes the rotation only because his name is familiar. A borderline 5 ERA is "AAA depth", not a #3 starter.  At least on a competently run team....

[Otaknam]

On 10/16/2025 at 8:32 AM, jmlease1 said:

agree on basically all of this. I think it would be very encouraging if the twins could & would lock up Ryan for the next 5-7 seasons (and I feel like the risk is fairly low, as these things go). I just fear that Cheap Pohlad payrolls make it more likely that he gets tendered and traded. Hope the scenarios you propose above come to pass. Even if Ryan isn't a true #1 (YMMV on him) he's still a guy who can anchor your rotation and be predictable in the kind of performances you can expect. I'd really hate to lose that. Plus, I really enjoy watching Ryan pitch.

I don’t see the penurious Pohlads giving any pitcher on this team a 7 year contract. But they might do four years. Really, no pitcher should get a 7 year contract.

[Otaknam]

On 10/18/2025 at 4:57 AM, Bodie said:

Very generous on Ober after his most recent season...

If his performance in Spring Training mirrors his 2025 season he makes the rotation only because his name is familiar. A borderline 5 ERA is "AAA depth", not a #3 starter.  At least on a competently run team....

Ball players bounce back after a down year. Ober has been pretty consistently good until this year.