Twins should claim Taylor Rogers

[jaimedude]

Our manager is familiar with him. We need another left hander in the bullpen pretty bad. Thielbar is mop up guy now, not a hold or save reliever. Rogers, has closing experience. I would trust our managers evaluation over the Giants manager. I mean if Twins can pay Manny Margot 12 million, why not Taylor Roger's. Maybe Maki can get him back on track. Need a roll of the dice as bullpen has really high ERA right now. This team needs another bullpen piece badly. If ownership steps up, team and fans will. I really do think old friend Roger's would give Twins a boost. The talent is still there and the dude can pitch, has quality. Tonkin will help us. If they need to dump salary next year, next year is next year. This bullpen needs shot in the arm. 

[Vanimal46]

The 33-year-old is owed roughly $2.15 million this season and $12 million for 2025.

Would I do it this year? Absolutely. $12 million next year is the problem. 

 

[Vanimal46]

Interesting that the Giants are doing what the White Sox did last year getting rid of multiple veterans before Sept 1st. We need waiver wire trade deadline back. 

[jaimedude]

Rogers would make other guy's better, and lengthen the pen. The salary seems to be the going rate in MLB for top end middle to back end relievers, and may be a roadblock I agree. Not a fan of the level. The bullpen really needs a boost right now a stabilizing force, and Twins could use left handed option. Not doing something at the deadline is coming home to roost. Twins are clearly short a lefty and the season is on the verge of going completely South to circling the drain.  I would call it a needed hail Mary pass, but your not losing a player, and some other guys like Descalfini come off books next year. Twins front office and ownership would be wise to roll the dice on Roger's, he has quality stuff and our team needs the help. 60 day IL Paddock is an option as he is about that far out. They had really good revenue on Green Day concert. Get this lefty, get some guys back and we can still make a run in October. Things seem bleak, but we are not out of it yet. 

[USAFChief]

No team is claiming Rogers, much less the Twins. 

 

[Trov]

The fact that SF is willing to pay Rogers 12 million next year to not pitch for them tells you much about what they think of him.  He may be doing okay this year, but he actually has negative WPA, which is not good.  No way will our FO commit to 12 mil next year for him.  If it was just the rest of this year I bet they might. 

[Riverbrian]

8 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

Interesting that the Giants are doing what the White Sox did last year getting rid of multiple veterans before Sept 1st. We need waiver wire trade deadline back. 

It was the Angels that did it. 

IMO... MLB needs to close this loophole. 

[Riverbrian]

22 minutes ago, Trov said:

The fact that SF is willing to pay Rogers 12 million next year to not pitch for them tells you much about what they think of him.  He may be doing okay this year, but he actually has negative WPA, which is not good.  No way will our FO commit to 12 mil next year for him.  If it was just the rest of this year I bet they might. 

My best guess is that they are not willing to do that. 

If I understand the process... I may not understand it but I believe. 

The Giants are hoping someone will claim him and take the 12 million next year off their hands. 

If he goes unclaimed which is possible because of the 12 million. They will rescind and Rogers will remain a Giant for the rest of the season and quite possibly next year since the 12 million is going into Taylor's pocket and he is pitching decently.  

 

[Vanimal46]

23 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

It was the Angels that did it. 

IMO... MLB needs to close this loophole. 

Ah yeah that’s right. The Angels did that with a couple of former recently acquired White Sox players Giolito and Lopez. 

[tony&rodney]

28 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

MLB needs to close this loophole. 

MLB is easily the worst run of sports leagues / operations. Bart Giamatti is the last decent Commissioner.

[Riverbrian]

7 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Ah yeah that’s right. The Angels did that with a couple of former recently acquired White Sox players Giolito and Lopez. 

 

1 minute ago, tony&rodney said:

MLB is easily the worst run of sports leagues / operations. Bart Giamatti is the last decent Commissioner.

When the Angels did that last year... It was an unfair advantage granted to the team that just happened to be in the catbird seat at the time of the transaction. IE worst record out of playoff contenders. 

This should have been addressed after it happened last year. 

I won't dispute the claim that MLB Commissioners office is the worst. However... I have a sneaking suspicion that the MLBPA is the most powerful union of all the major sports and I think they can be a major roadblock to what I think is necessary change. 

The current language that allows Moore, Giolito and Lopez to be available for one team to significantly upgrade their roster is language that is crafted in negotiation with the MLBPA. 

[tony&rodney]

18 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

 

When the Angels did that last year... It was an unfair advantage granted to the team that just happened to be in the catbird seat at the time of the transaction. IE worst record out of playoff contenders. 

This should have been addressed after it happened last year. 

I won't dispute the claim that MLB Commissioners office is the worst. However... I have a sneaking suspicion that the MLBPA is the most powerful union of all the major sports and I think they can be a major roadblock to what I think is necessary change. 

The current language that allows Moore, Giolito and Lopez to be available for one team to significantly upgrade their roster is language that is crafted in negotiation with the MLBPA. 

Bed mates, in an ironic way. The MLBPA seems to have an agenda which mostly promotes the highest salaried players but largely abandons the integrity of the game. I guess that isn't the focus of the MLBPA though.

One would think there would be more push to arrange a better deal for those players who yo-yo back and forth between the minors and majors. Do all players on the 40 person roster receive the MLB minimum salary? I don't think so but don't know for sure.

I'm not sure the owners have any ideas about the game as long as the money flows. The current media fiascos seemingly indicates a paucity of long term thought. 

[Irishman]

3 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

MLB is easily the worst run of sports leagues / operations. Bart Giamatti is the last decent Commissioner.

I think Selig was the worst one.   

[Mike Sixel]

I can't see any team claiming him with next year's salary. 

[Shaitan]

4 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

It was the Angels that did it. 

IMO... MLB needs to close this loophole. 

I suspect MLB likes it. The moves generate buzz, just like the trade deadline. And the players who are cut end up in a less toxic environment (presumably).

That said, I don't like it either. It feels unsportsmanlike, for lack of a better word.

[Riverbrian]

18 minutes ago, Shaitan said:

I suspect MLB likes it. The moves generate buzz, just like the trade deadline. And the players who are cut end up in a less toxic environment (presumably).

That said, I don't like it either. It feels unsportsmanlike, for lack of a better word.

If MLB likes it... I'm ok with that.

What needs to change is the claim order process. What teams get the jettisoned players?  

Last Year Cleveland was able to gain a potentially unfair advantage over the other teams in the playoff race because they happened to have a worse record than the others. That worse record could have been the difference of 1 single game.

The Angels released enough talent last year to potentially single handedly provide one squad with difference making talent over everybody else. When a Jordan Luplow gets released... it barely moves the needle. The Angels released needle movers. 

The Angels changed the game and did so quickly when they dumped Giolito, Moore, Lopez and Renfroe plus others. 3 of them ended up in Cleveland. The Angels saved 5.7 million dollars dumping a significant portion of their roster and Cleveland spent 3.7 million dollars for the stretch run. 

I'm OK if MLB likes the releasing of difference makers... that's fine. They just can't end up on single one team. The Claim order process needs to be changed and it hasn't been to my knowledge. 

The Angels exposed a loop hole last year... that hole is still looped. In the end... it wasn't enough to push Cleveland into the playoffs... but it sure could have. 

What the Giants did is the same concept... save some money in a lost year although it isn't near the scale of what the Angels did. 

As I complain about this... I fully admit that if the Twins would have swept up all the players last year instead of Cleveland... I'd probably not be as concerned. 😉

[Trov]

6 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

My best guess is that they are not willing to do that. 

If I understand the process... I may not understand it but I believe. 

The Giants are hoping someone will claim him and take the 12 million next year off their hands. 

If he goes unclaimed which is possible because of the 12 million. They will rescind and Rogers will remain a Giant for the rest of the season and quite possibly next year since the 12 million is going into Taylor's pocket and he is pitching decently.  

 

They cannot rescind the waiver, but they can choose to keep him yes.  He was not released and passing waivers.  It is not a loophole as unlike before where a team could work out a trade now they just risk losing the player for nothing, generally in hopes of saving money on their books.  You do put a guy on waivers unless you are hoping someone takes him now. Before every player would be put on waivers.  

So I was wrong about them paying him to not pitch next year, I misread the waivers he was on, but they are still hoping someone claims him and his 12 mil next year.  I would not say a relief pitcher that has a negative WPA is doing well. His surface numbers are not bad, but he clearly has cost his team more than he has helped them according to that stat. 

[Riverbrian]

4 minutes ago, Trov said:

They cannot rescind the waiver, but they can choose to keep him yes.  He was not released and passing waivers.  It is not a loophole as unlike before where a team could work out a trade now they just risk losing the player for nothing, generally in hopes of saving money on their books.  You do put a guy on waivers unless you are hoping someone takes him now. Before every player would be put on waivers.  

So I was wrong about them paying him to not pitch next year, I misread the waivers he was on, but they are still hoping someone claims him and his 12 mil next year.  I would not say a relief pitcher that has a negative WPA is doing well. His surface numbers are not bad, but he clearly has cost his team more than he has helped them according to that stat. 

Understood.

The Bottom line is SF is hoping someone will claim him and take over the payment. 

It could happen but I'm thinking he will be Giant until the off-season at least and that point... the Giants will try to put him into a package and off load the money. 

[tony&rodney]

8 hours ago, Irishman said:

I think Selig was the worst one.   

No argument from me. The encouragement for steroids and blatant continual advertisement for Sosa-McGuire was egregious. I still cannot fathom how people blame/hate Barry Bonds when he was just trying to keep up with the game, and oh BTW, never tested positive despite being tested more than anyone ever. However, I do believe he just beat the system whereas Big Pappi did not successfully escape a positive and everyone chose to look the other way despite the positive tests, which were supposed to be confidential. So this all Selig's legacy. That and his glasses. Not a fan of football but the debacles in MLB would never occur under a Pete Rozelle.

[Brandon]

12 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

No argument from me. The encouragement for steroids and blatant continual advertisement for Sosa-McGuire was egregious. I still cannot fathom how people blame/hate Barry Bonds when he was just trying to keep up with the game, and oh BTW, never tested positive despite being tested more than anyone ever. However, I do believe he just beat the system whereas Big Pappi did not successfully escape a positive and everyone chose to look the other way despite the positive tests, which were supposed to be confidential. So this all Selig's legacy. That and his glasses. Not a fan of football but the debacles in MLB would never occur under a Pete Rozelle.

While I totally agree with this post.  I just wanted to point out how far away from the topic of claiming Rogers on waivers this is.  

I would like to see the Twins do something to bolster the pen but I think the real issue is the offense.  they are not consistently scoring enough runs.  The bullpen has to be perfect every time out with how we are scoring lately.  its either a few runs or 6+ every 5th game.  Scoring should be 4 runs a game + over half the time and its not.  

[tony&rodney]

2 minutes ago, Brandon said:

While I totally agree with this post.  I just wanted to point out how far away from the topic of claiming Rogers on waivers this is.  

I would like to see the Twins do something to bolster the pen but I think the real issue is the offense.  they are not consistently scoring enough runs.  The bullpen has to be perfect every time out with how we are scoring lately.  its either a few runs or 6+ every 5th game.  Scoring should be 4 runs a game + over half the time and its not.  

Sorry. That was bad. I lost the topic.

Agree totally with your thoughts. Yes, bullpen is very important but offense needs to get it in gear when it counts.

[Physics Guy]

On 8/29/2024 at 3:11 PM, Riverbrian said:

Understood.

The Bottom line is SF is hoping someone will claim him and take over the payment. 

It could happen but I'm thinking he will be Giant until the off-season at least and that point... the Giants will try to put him into a package and off load the money. 

I was really hoping the Twins would claim him...until I found out about the $12M owed next year.  Since he has gone unclaimed, clearly nobody wanted that contract.  Does anybody know if the waiver claim is an all of nothing situation?  Is there any way for the Giants to swallow part of the contract in order to induce a claim?  I'm guessing no and assume Rogers will not be changing venues for this season.  The Twins should consider a reunion for 2025 if the can reduce that salary because the LH bullpen situation is awful right now.

[jaimedude]

12 million is pocket change to the Pohlad ownership. These owners wouldn't make this move if his deal was only 5 million even. 

[Riverbrian]

30 minutes ago, Physics Guy said:

I was really hoping the Twins would claim him...until I found out about the $12M owed next year.  Since he has gone unclaimed, clearly nobody wanted that contract.  Does anybody know if the waiver claim is an all of nothing situation?  Is there any way for the Giants to swallow part of the contract in order to induce a claim?  I'm guessing no and assume Rogers will not be changing venues for this season.  The Twins should consider a reunion for 2025 if the can reduce that salary because the LH bullpen situation is awful right now.

Any team that claims would have to take the whole contract. There is no opportunity to pay a portion down. 

The Giants will probably try to move him in the off-season and then they can pay down some of the 12 million in order to get a deal done. 

[Physics Guy]

6 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

Any team that claims would have to take the whole contract. There is no opportunity to pay a portion down. 

The Giants will probably try to move him in the off-season and then they can pay down some of the 12 million in order to get a deal done. 

Wouldn't mind seeing them do this if they can get SF to eat half that contract, depending what we would have to give up.  They only have something like 95M committed next year and a lot of cheap players that should probably be filling the lineup. 

[Riverbrian]

1 hour ago, Physics Guy said:

Wouldn't mind seeing them do this if they can get SF to eat half that contract, depending what we would have to give up.  They only have something like 95M committed next year and a lot of cheap players that should probably be filling the lineup. 

I'm thinking the Arb Raises may add significantly to the 95M. Jeffers, Ober, Ryan, Lewis, Duran, Jax and Castro are going to get good increases. 

[USAFChief]

Rogers appeared in a game Saturday for the Giants. It appears he cleared waivers and will remain a Giant, as was always almost a guarantee. 

Nobody was picking up $12m in 2025.