Game Thread: Twins (Maeda) v Tigers (Olson), 8/16/23 @ 12:10 CT

[SwainZag]

Damn, that close for Wallner

[IndyTwinsFan]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

Well that de-escalated quickly.

Verrry quickly.

[Battle ur tail off]

Dang. Soooooooooooo close. That Walner ball. Uggg.

[SwainZag]

1 minute ago, mrtwinsfan said:

And Pagan should of  went back out,  Gotta have a few guys to go more than  1   ,   

Easy to say in hindsight.

[Jocko87]

I wasn't watching live but I don't want to hear crap about Jax periferal numbers until he can stop tipping pitches or whatever he's doing.

[notoriousgod71]

The offense went to sleep for six innings but tough to fault them for scoring seven runs. 

 

The bullpen just wasn't good enough on this day.

[SF Twins Fan]

Lewis needed to tag up on that long fly ball.  If it's a home run, it doesn't matter where he's at.  If the left fielder doesn't make the catch he's easily at 2nd and potentially 3rd.  With the left fielder catching the ball he should be at 2nd.  That would have kept the team out of the double platy.

[Aggies7]

So we may head into the playoffs with our most reliable bullpen arms being pagan and thielbar.

 

oh boy 

[hitterscount]

22 minutes ago, SwainZag said:

12-15?  Lol. Okay. 

I don’t think that’s a stretch… whether it’s his decisions to pull pitchers too early or bring in the wrong arm… he has three plus years of pitching mismanagement under his belt… I will stick with that number 

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

After Wallner's near miss, the game-ending double play seemed like it was bound to happen. Not Solano's best day.

[SwainZag]

2 minutes ago, SF Twins Fan said:

Lewis needed to tag up on that long fly ball.  If it's a home run, it doesn't matter where he's at.  If the left fielder doesn't make the catch he's easily at 2nd and potentially 3rd.  With the left fielder catching the ball he should be at 2nd.  That would have kept the team out of the double platy.

Then again if it bangs off the wall, Lewis more than likely scores instead of being held at 3rd and even possibley 2nd depending on how quickly they get the ball back in 

[SwainZag]

1 minute ago, hitterscount said:

I don’t think that’s a stretch… whether it’s his decisions to pull pitchers too early or bring in the wrong arm… he has three plus years of pitching mismanagement under his belt… I will stick with that number 

The Twins pen has been credited with 20 losses total on the season.  Blaming 12 to 15 on Rocco is  absolute insanity.

[mrtwinsfan]

10 minutes ago, SwainZag said:

Easy to say in hindsight.

Remember last year  ,  short starts  like today,  odds of using 4-5 guys a game and it will bite ya ,  Pagan threw what 10 pitches ? ,  Easy to say cause Rocco is not the best in -game manager , gotten better  lately,  

[SF Twins Fan]

6 minutes ago, SwainZag said:

Then again if it bangs off the wall, Lewis more than likely scores instead of being held at 3rd and even possibley 2nd depending on how quickly they get the ball back in 

If it bangs off the wall it's either 1st and 2nd with zero outs or 2nd and 3rd with zero outs.  Either of those is a much better outcome than not tagging up on a long fly ball where the left fielder spun around and hit the wall after the catch.

[wabene]

7 minutes ago, hitterscount said:

I don’t think that’s a stretch… whether it’s his decisions to pull pitchers too early or bring in the wrong arm… he has three plus years of pitching mismanagement under his belt… I will stick with that number 

Maybe it's just hindsight, eh? Was Rocco smart when Stewart was mowing the league down? 

[Azviking101]

You can be upset all you want at the bullpen or Rocco for “mismanaging” it but the problem boils down to Falvey not doing anything about the bullpen when it obviously needed help. 
If the bullpen blows the chance to finally win a playoff series then he needs to go. 

[SwainZag]

27 minutes ago, mrtwinsfan said:

Remember last year  ,  short starts  like today,  odds of using 4-5 guys a game and it will bite ya ,  Pagan threw what 10 pitches ? ,  Easy to say cause Rocco is not the best in -game manager , gotten better  lately,  

And when Pagan gives up runs in his 2nd inning of work, this board is full of DFA Pagan, he can't be trusted, what TF was Rocco thinking Pagan can throw 2 innings in a 1 run game?!

Hindsight is a fun game to play with managers, you can blame them for just about anything then. 

[Jocko87]

42 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

I wasn't watching live but I don't want to hear crap about Jax periferal numbers until he can stop tipping pitches or whatever he's doing.

Ok, went back and watched it. Horribly non-competitive pitches make the cookies easy to hit.  The Greene triple hit his target but that looked like the hot zone. The two home runs were missed spots to middle middle.  

He didn’t hit a corner once in 33 pitches. 10 of them were more than a foot out of the zone. He probably needs a break too.

[wsnydes]

1 hour ago, hitterscount said:

I don’t think that’s a stretch… whether it’s his decisions to pull pitchers too early or bring in the wrong arm… he has three plus years of pitching mismanagement under his belt… I will stick with that number 

How many games worked out just fine and left you nothing to complain about?  The bullpen has been credited with half of the teams wins. 

There's two sides to this coin.

[sampleSizeOfOne]

1 hour ago, wsnydes said:

How many games worked out just fine and left you nothing to complain about?  The bullpen has been credited with half of the teams wins. 

There's two sides to this coin.

 

[hitterscount]

5 hours ago, wsnydes said:

How many games worked out just fine and left you nothing to complain about?  The bullpen has been credited with half of the teams wins. 

There's two sides to this coin.

I am hardly complaining, just calling it as I see it. … it’s been three years of mediocre play (at best) from this team and IMO some really questionable decisions by the manager. Yes they will back into the playoffs, but there are a half dozen teams in the AL more deserving. There is no reason too be a .500 club with our starting pitching staff this year. The lack of creativity on offense, sloppy play at times, undisciplined plate approaches shoddy defense, and poor use of the BP ultimately fall on the manager. Whatever the reason, this team cannot put a decent string of solid baseball together.