Game Thread Twins @ Yankees 3:05 ET 9/7/22

[Aggies7]

7 hours in one day of having to watch this team flub it’s way around the diamond against the Yankees might be too much for me. I may have to tap out for game 2

[Beast]

14 minutes ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

I think that example serves as a pretty big nail in the coffin to the "RBI is the most important statistic in evaluating players" argument, which is the one Chief was making.  If you honestly believe RBI is the most important statistic to measure offensive performance, then you have to believe that 2019 Eddie Rosario was a better offensive player than 2019 Mike Trout.

And no, you absolutely do not need to put the ball in play with authority with RISP to get an RBI.  You can hit a bases empty homer.  You can hit a swinging bunt that just gets past the pitcher.  You can hit a duck fart blooper that falls in between 3 fielders with 2 outs.  Or heck, you can get a walk or HBP with the bases loaded, and get an RBI despite not hitting the ball at all.

Think about it this way--which player did more to help his team score a run?  The hitter who fought off 6 two-strike pitches to get a hustle single, then stole second base, and scored on a bloop single to right when he accurately read it would fall, or the hitter who hit the 74 MPH exit velocity blooper on an excuse-me swing?

It's like thinking the fullback who scores a 1 yard TD did more than the halfback who turned a 2 yard loss into a 79 yard gain.

Again, anecdotal example that proves nothing. Nobody has hit more RBIs than Mike Trout with excuse me swings and hustle singles.  It nails no coffins.  It actually supports my point.

If you’re talking about one specific RBI, sure.  But, if a guy has accumulated many RBIs, he’s going to be a good hitter. Literally almost every single time.

What are you even arguing here?  No person ever said Eddie Rosario is better than Mike Trout.

If you have a 100 RBI year, you’re probably a good player and providing value.  Don’t how how that controversial in any way.  Pretty common sense.

[Aggies7]

That was strike 3. 

[Aggies7]

Fulmer, big deadline acquisition

[rwilfong86]

Bases loaded walkoff walk?

[h2oface]

Fulmer is quite the acquisition,

[garn from vancouver]

oh fulmer.

[rwilfong86]

Just now, Aggies7 said:

That was strike 3. 

Yep but not gonna get the call

[LVTwinsfan]

Good thing they got Fulmer

[Vanimal46]

This guy Guzman is trying to hit an 800 ft HR. Try making some contact my dude. 

[tony&rodney]

So much could change, but right now I don't see the Yankees winning the AL East and they could actually miss the playoffs.

These are two weak teams today.

[SwainZag]

Just now, rwilfong86 said:

Yep but not gonna get the call

That's an issue.  

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

14 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Sliding slows you down though. That's my point, unless you're avoiding a tag, don't slide. There's a reason sprinters don't dive at the finish line.  

True, but slowing down to hit the bag in stride also slows you down (adds a step/stride) 

it’s an instinct play i think 

[Aggies7]

Icing on the cake would be walking Ronald MFing Guzman to lose the game 

[garn from vancouver]

fulmer has zero 'stuff'

[rwilfong86]

1 minute ago, tony&rodney said:

So much could change, but right now I don't see the Yankees winning the AL East and they could actually miss the playoffs.

These are two weak teams today.

I think the division goes to the Rays 

[USAFChief]

I'd have preferred Pagan. Seriously. If he's "on" he can get K's. 

[rwilfong86]

Just now, Aggies7 said:

Icing on the cake would be walking Ronald MFing Guzman to lose the game 

Double play. Still alive.

[KirbyDome89]

1 minute ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

True, but slowing down to hit the bag in stride also slows you down (adds a step/stride) 

it’s an instinct play i think 

100% I just assume it's second nature to hit the bag in stride by the time you're in the big leagues

[Aggies7]

He was jogging down the line hahhahaha

[Vanimal46]

I doubt Aaron Boone will appreciate that jogging effort by Guzman and he’ll be sent back to AAA tomorrow. 

[LVTwinsfan]

Guzman trotting to first

[Aggies7]

Man that’s a bad look for one Ronald Guzman

[Winston Smith]

Just now, Aggies7 said:

He was jogging down the line hahhahaha

He isn't gonna be in the majors long.

[Danchat]

I would be pissed about Guzman if I were a Yankees fan, you get a shot with the majors squad and you do that with the bases loaded no out?!

[KirbyDome89]

Wtf is Guzman doing. Wtf is going on with this game? It's just brutal on both sides...

[Beast]

4 minutes ago, Beast said:

Again, anecdotal example that proves nothing. Nobody has hit more RBIs than Mike Trout with excuse me swings and hustle singles.  It nails no coffins.  It actually supports my point.

If you’re talking about one specific RBI, sure.  But, if a guy has accumulated many RBIs, he’s going to be a good hitter. Literally almost every single time.

What are you even arguing here?  No person ever said Eddie Rosario is better than Mike Trout.

If you have a 100 RBI year, you’re probably a good player and providing value.  Don’t how how that controversial in any way.  Pretty common sense.

Also, my argument has not been it’s the most important stat from the beginning. Only that it’s not useless.

I don’t think it can be argued that it is the most important historical stat (or one of them).  Not as much a predictive stat.

[Vanimal46]

Just now, Winston Smith said:

He isn't gonna be in the majors long.

Cashman is already booking his flight. Maybe the red eye tonight. 

[Aggies7]

That’s incredible hahahaha

[rwilfong86]

How they got out of bases loaded nobody out is miraculous.