Current Active MLB roster/May 1st cut to 26

[AKTwins]

I am thinking the current active roster should be structured differently.  Obviously Godoy makes sense with Sanchez’s health issues.  However they have six outfielders on the active roster in Buxton, Kepler, larnach, Garlick,Gordon, and Celestino.  No point I having Celestino on the active roster if he is not getting at bats.  Clearly they feel Gordon can handle center field and they like Garlick’s bat against lefties.  I would rather see Celestino in Saint Laul playing everyday.
 

If you send Celestino down you can bring up Moran as a 3rd Lefty.

Also, if Winder isn’t pitch ever 5 days or in a transition relief role send him to Saint Paul and keep he stretched out.  Cano has looked good to start the season, why not give him some innings.

[Rosterman]

The Twins will be cutting two players come next Sunday, a pitcher and a batter for sure. Then they also have to make another move when Sonny Gray returns, hopefully this week (or after a rehab start with St. Paul). And Kirilloff will also force a move an outfielder.

[stringer bell]

1 hour ago, AKTwins said:

I am thinking the current active roster should be structured differently.  Obviously Godoy makes sense with Sanchez’s health issues.  However they have six outfielders on the active roster in Buxton, Kepler, larnach, Garlick,Gordon, and Celestino.  No point I having Celestino on the active roster if he is not getting at bats.  Clearly they feel Gordon can handle center field and they like Garlick’s bat against lefties.  I would rather see Celestino in Saint Laul playing everyday.
 

If you send Celestino down you can bring up Moran as a 3rd Lefty.

Also, if Winder isn’t pitch ever 5 days or in a transition relief role send him to Saint Paul and keep he stretched out.  Cano has looked good to start the season, why not give him some innings.

Moran hasn’t been very effective for the Saints. Agreed that Celestino should be in St. Paul, along with Winder. Unless there are injuries, I would expect both to be optioned on May 1, if not before. The three Saints pitchers with the best case to join the Twins are Smeltzer, Minaya and Cano. None are on the 40-man roster. 

[AKTwins]

For,pitcher, the 28th man will be Winder getting sent down.  For the batter, they may outright Godoy again, but he could elect free agency.  But they have 3 catchers in Saint Paul.  Maybe hey prefer Sisco more.  Does Kiriloff force Larnach down?  If Kepler can’t get it going, does Max became the 4th OF?

[AKTwins]

21 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

Moran hasn’t been very effective for the Saints. Agreed that Celestino should be in St. Paul, along with Winder. Unless there are injuries, I would expect both to be optioned on May 1, if not before. The three Saints pitchers with the best case to join the Twins are Smeltzer, Minaya and Cano. None are on the 40-man roster. 

I meant Minyana and not Moran.  Agree Moran is off to a bad start.

[stringer bell]

Minaya is a righty, so no third left handed reliever with that. 

[lecroy24fan]

Winder and Godoy are probably the 2 that get optioned. But Godoy could get sent down sooner. I'd send down Celestino when Kiriloff is back. 

[goulik]

2 hours ago, lecroy24fan said:

Winder and Godoy are probably the 2 that get optioned. But Godoy could get sent down sooner. I'd send down Celestino when Kiriloff is back. 

Considering all the outfielders it may be Celestine and Larnach are both sent back down when Kirrilloff is back

[lecroy24fan]

7 hours ago, goulik said:

Considering all the outfielders it may be Celestine and Larnach are both sent back down when Kirrilloff is back

I don't see Miranda or Lewis getting called up though, and they'll have to have 13 position players as 13 pitchers is the max.

[TwinsDr2021]

Why does WInder go down, he has the 5th most inning pitched and an ERA 3.48, what good does that do sending him down?

[dxpavelka]

20 hours ago, AKTwins said:

For,pitcher, the 28th man will be Winder getting sent down.  For the batter, they may outright Godoy again, but he could elect free agency.  But they have 3 catchers in Saint Paul.  Maybe hey prefer Sisco more.  Does Kiriloff force Larnach down?  If Kepler can’t get it going, does Max became the 4th OF?

If they preferred Sisco more I'd have thought they'd have brought him up.  More likely that it becomes a 4 man OF than Kepler becoming 4th OF.

[umterp23]

Kepler 4th OF or a 4 OF rotation, not sure it matters other than Kepler getting majority of the starts is troublesome as he hasn't looked great.  I would have Kiriloff at 1b 5-6 days of the week if his wrist can hold up.  Sano, brutal at the plate, plain and simple. Youth movement in outfield and keep Larnach in rotation, see if we can get him going at some point.  Two called 3rd strikes with runners on base was awful for him.  Kind of stuck I guess is what I'm getting at.  

[stringer bell]

1 hour ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Why does WInder go down, he has the 5th most inning pitched and an ERA 3.48, what good does that do sending him down?

Winder gave the Twins four good innings yesterday and last Saturday, he hurled 5.1. Other than his major league debut, he has been used as a long man out of the bullpen. Is that is what is best for his development? Does he provide enough value in that role to continue when the rosters are reduced to 13 pitchers? 

It is still really early in the season. We've seen only two starts from Paddack and Gray (should return from injury soon) and three from everyone else, The current plan for a six-man rotation looks temporary. I think the best plan is to send Winder back to St. Paul and have him ready to step in when he is needed and I doubt the wait will be too long.

[stringer bell]

7 minutes ago, umterp23 said:

Kepler 4th OF or a 4 OF rotation, not sure it matters other than Kepler getting majority of the starts is troublesome as he hasn't looked great.  I would have Kiriloff at 1b 5-6 days of the week if his wrist can hold up.  Sano, brutal at the plate, plain and simple. Youth movement in outfield and keep Larnach in rotation, see if we can get him going at some point.  Two called 3rd strikes with runners on base was awful for him.  Kind of stuck I guess is what I'm getting at.  

I'd like to see Larnach get untracked (and I think he is close) and I'd like to see Kirilloff healthy and productive, but I don't know if you can just shove both those guys in the lineup for guys who have produced in the past (Kepler and Sano). It is not like either Miguel or Max is ready for retirement. 

On Kepler, he's hitting .220 with an OPS of .661, not great to be sure, but better than Polanco or Correa. Kepler is also a good defensive outfielder. He hasn't hit really well since the summer of 2019, but so far I don't see how Kirilloff and/or Larnach have made him expendable. 

[Squirrel]

2 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Why does WInder go down, he has the 5th most inning pitched and an ERA 3.48, what good does that do sending him down?

I think Winder should go down because he is a starter and needs to be starting on a regular basis so he is ready and able to jump into the rotation when/if needed. He’s gotten a taste and now needs to get regular work. I think Celestino needs to go down for the same reason. He needs to be playing every day. Gordon has proven to be a more than adequate extra/backup CFer and getting starts in LF

[TwinsDr2021]

2 hours ago, Squirrel said:

I think Winder should go down because he is a starter and needs to be starting on a regular basis so he is ready and able to jump into the rotation when/if needed. He’s gotten a taste and now needs to get regular work. I think Celestino needs to go down for the same reason. He needs to be playing every day. Gordon has proven to be a more than adequate extra/backup CFer and getting starts in LF

He has pitched in 3 games, the same as Ryan, Ober, Bundy and Archer. He has pitched in 1 less inning than Archer. His ERA is better than every relief pitcher not name Smith, Pagan and Coulombe. So the Twins pitching is so good it can demote one of its better pitchers and one that can pitch multiple innings for an inferior pitcher? IMO until Archer proves he can go more than 4 innings Winder should be lined up to piggy back his starts. Or just take Paddack's spot. Winder is 25 years old and should be pitching in the majors until it shows he can't, Also no AAA pitcher has started more than 3 games and only Smeltzer has pitched more innings (starting), so is he really going to get more work in St. Paul?

[TwinsDr2021]

3 hours ago, stringer bell said:

 I think the best plan is to send Winder back to St. Paul and have him ready to step in when he is needed and I doubt the wait will be too long.

And he can't do this while pitching in MN? I mean he kind of has with two of his appearances being 4 and 5.1 innings. His 5.1 inning is longer than 2 of Ober's 3 starts, longer than both of Paddack's, long than 1 of Ryans, longer than 2 of Bundy's and tied with the other, and longer than all three of Archers.

To me this is on Rocco to figure out how to get one of his better pitchers innings and keep him stretched out, not send him to the minors and have lesser pitchers on the major league roster.

[Muppet]

3 hours ago, umterp23 said:

Kepler 4th OF or a 4 OF rotation, not sure it matters other than Kepler getting majority of the starts is troublesome as he hasn't looked great.  I would have Kiriloff at 1b 5-6 days of the week if his wrist can hold up.  Sano, brutal at the plate, plain and simple. Youth movement in outfield and keep Larnach in rotation, see if we can get him going at some point.  Two called 3rd strikes with runners on base was awful for him.  Kind of stuck I guess is what I'm getting at.  

Kepler is actually starting to heat up. He has the third highest OBP on the team and is nearing a respectable batting average. He has been hitting RHPs well which has been his kryptonite in the past. Given that the Twins have zero running game, it might even make sense to have him lead off instead of Buxton if he keeps this up. 

[Squirrel]

20 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

He has pitched in 3 games, the same as Ryan, Ober, Bundy and Archer. He has pitched in 1 less inning than Archer. His ERA is better than every relief pitcher not name Smith, Pagan and Coulombe. So the Twins pitching is so good it can demote one of its better pitchers and one that can pitch multiple innings for an inferior pitcher? IMO until Archer proves he can go more than 4 innings Winder should be lined up to piggy back his starts. Or just take Paddack's spot. Winder is 25 years old and should be pitching in the majors until it shows he can't, Also no AAA pitcher has started more than 3 games and only Smeltzer has pitched more innings (starting), so is he really going to get more work in St. Paul?

My rationale is ... Winder is a starter, not a reliever. I don't want him on the Twins team to relieve all year. I don't want his role as long relief, or piggy back ... I want him stretched to go 5 or 6 innings, ultimately 7 later into the season. The only way to do that is for him to go back to AAA until/when he is needed to START on the Twins. I think Archer will get more starts before determining anything. Gray will be back soon. We also have Paddack, Ober, Bundy and Ryan who are all ahead of Winder in the start column, at least for now. May 1st is coming where decisions on the roster need to be made. Sending Winder to AAA where he can START every 5th or 6th game is what I want to see, not waiting in the BP until a situation arises where he is used. I understand your reasoning, and won't be unhappy if that's the way it goes; my preference, though, is what I stated.

[Rosterman]

With the majority of starters basically getting towards five innings, Winder can gain valuable experience being the longman. Maybe go back to the minors when all the minor league free-agents shake out in AAA and the Twins have a solid rotation, but will Ober and Ryan make 35 starts...that is the question.

 

I would like to see Kirilloff at first base, and leave Larnach in left. Garlick and Celestino gone. Gordon backup outfielder.

 

Of course, where do we still play Arraez if Sano and Sanchez share DH.

[MMMordabito]

14 minutes ago, Rosterman said:

Of course, where do we still play Arraez if Sano and Sanchez share DH.

Arraez should be penned into the lineup, and then everything else gets figured out from there.

[stringer bell]

First of all, most likely it will be two pitchers sent down on May 2. Gray should certainly be back, giving the Twins six starters plus Winder. I suppose Winder could get work once a week and maybe the Twins rotation will go through a rough patch and he would pitch a lot. I don’t think it is the best thing for his development to be locked into being the long man indefinitely. 
 

As for one of the rotation being dropped, I don’t think anyone has eliminated himself. We’ve seen enough good from Paddack and Archer to not demote them to a bullpen at this point. It certainly could happen. But for Windrr to join the rotation, there would need to be two demoted or injured. When that time comes, Winder should be stretched out and ready to step in. 
 

Assuming Winder is one of the 26-man roster casualties, who is the other? My guess would be Stashak, with Romero going to St. Paul on rehab assignment. 
 

The club could move some pieces around if they decide they don’t need a third catcher. Arraez and Gordon fill most of their utility needs. 

[stringer bell]

5 minutes ago, MMMordabito said:

Arraez should be penned into the lineup, and then everything else gets figured out from there.

Not against lefties and the Twins will face at least four left handed starters in the coming week. 

[TwinsDr2021]

1 hour ago, Squirrel said:

My rationale is ... Winder is a starter, not a reliever. I don't want him on the Twins team to relieve all year. I don't want his role as long relief, or piggy back ... I want him stretched to go 5 or 6 innings, ultimately 7 later into the season. The only way to do that is for him to go back to AAA until/when he is needed to START on the Twins. I think Archer will get more starts before determining anything. Gray will be back soon. We also have Paddack, Ober, Bundy and Ryan who are all ahead of Winder in the start column, at least for now. May 1st is coming where decisions on the roster need to be made. Sending Winder to AAA where he can START every 5th or 6th game is what I want to see, not waiting in the BP until a situation arises where he is used. I understand your reasoning, and won't be unhappy if that's the way it goes; my preference, though, is what I stated.

Seeing that he pitched 5.1 innings in one game and 4 in the other, he seems as stretched out as Bundy, Archer and Paddack already and has pitched less than 10 pitches less than Ober.  I just don't see the logic of demoting a guy that seems to be a better pitcher than half of the other bullpen guys to the minors, to pretend he will be allowed to pitch 7 inning games this year.

So I guess agree to disagree

[TwinsDr2021]

6 hours ago, stringer bell said:

Winder gave the Twins four good innings yesterday and last Saturday, he hurled 5.1. Other than his major league debut, he has been used as a long man out of the bullpen. Is that is what is best for his development? Does he provide enough value in that role to continue when the rosters are reduced to 13 pitchers? 

It is still really early in the season. We've seen only two starts from Paddack and Gray (should return from injury soon) and three from everyone else, The current plan for a six-man rotation looks temporary. I think the best plan is to send Winder back to St. Paul and have him ready to step in when he is needed and I doubt the wait will be too long.

Winder is 25 years old, not too concerned about his development other than can he get major league hitters out, so far so good, now keep putting him out there to get guys out. What are the odds they send him down and he is going 6 to 7 innings in AAA, gets called up and is expected and/or allowed to pitch more than 4 or 5? I am going with not good, and he is already doing that now, why change what is working with him.

[MMMordabito]

1 hour ago, stringer bell said:

Not against lefties and the Twins will face at least four left handed starters in the coming week. 

Why not? Career .353 OBP against lefties.  Only Correa tops that with the current squad.  There just aren't nine guys that will give you a better PA right now, so he should be in there every day.

[stringer bell]

2 hours ago, MMMordabito said:

Why not? Career .353 OBP against lefties.  Only Correa tops that with the current squad.  There just aren't nine guys that will give you a better PA right now, so he should be in there every day.

Well, the .269 slugging average is a good argument for him to ride the pine, as well as defense. 

[strumdatjag]

On 4/24/2022 at 10:45 AM, AKTwins said:

For,pitcher, the 28th man will be Winder getting sent down.  For the batter, they may outright Godoy again, but he could elect free agency.  But they have 3 catchers in Saint Paul.  Maybe hey prefer Sisco more.  Does Kiriloff force Larnach down?  If Kepler can’t get it going, does Max became the 4th OF?

How about Max becomes the 4th OF when Lewis comes up and takes on one of the Corner OF spots and fills in for Buck when needed in CF?

[Brandon]

On May 1rst I would demote Celestino and Either Stashak, Jax or I am dumping Thielbar if he continues to give up runs and try to send him to AAA.  

[Mike Sixel]

I keep Winder up. I use him every 5 days as a long reliever. He's 25....and good. Frankly, if they have all 7 starters healthy, I do a lot more piggybacking than they have been......

I'm unsure about the OF. It really depends on health. AK should be the 1B, Sano DH or DFA (can't believe I'm typing that), and Larnach or Celestino or Martin the LF.....