Burdi to have TJ surgery

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Well, this sucks.  I had thought his "floor" when drafted was supposed to be an elite closer.  Unfortunately shows us what a "floor" truly is for a quick to the majors college player.  You just never know.

 

This is a really good point. People talk about "floors" and "ceilings" all the time. Not gonna go back and look, but Tyler Jay's "floor" was said to be a solid middle inning guy. No; the floor for any player is a fluke injury in tomorrow's game and he never plays another inning.

[yarnivek1972]

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[Richie the Rally Goat]

He's 25, service time is irrelevant. So he could have pitched while healthy. From what I have read online, it is why other teams are calling up RP earlier.

his pro career consists of 1,458 pitches over 103 innings. He's been healthy for a season of high A ball.

 

I'm disappointed and feel sorry for the guy. I wish him a speedy recovery, but man how do you activate a guy who's never been healthy?

[KirbyDome89]

 

Everyone would love to see a fluid bullpen stocked with young arms.

But every single person you mentioned as a possibility got hurt. Every one. And Chargois didn't get hurt in AAA, he got hurt in spring training of a season he was poised to break camp in the bigs.

This is all very unfortunate. Hopefully the new front office can improve. Can't really do worse.

Agree. They don't all have to be stud arms, just use the pen as ladder for young pitchers to work their way either into the rotation or higher leverage situations. 

 

The shoulder sure, the elbow no. Yeah I get that, but they were all drafted after 3 years of college baseball, and they're all on track to spend at least 4-5 years pitching in minor league baseball. IMO that is a lot of time for more mature arms, even with injuries.

 

Ha yeah the bar is set pretty low.

[Tuba]

Damn I saw a post saying Pino was taking his AA roster spot and assumed he had been promoted! Booo. 

 

Also I've randomly just discovered that Paul Molitor was the third ever player to undergo tommy john surgery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_baseball_players_who_underwent_Tommy_John_surgery

[ashbury]

This is a really good point. People talk about "floors" and "ceilings" all the time. Not gonna go back and look, but Tyler Jay's "floor" was said to be a solid middle inning guy. No; the floor for any player is a fluke injury in tomorrow's game and he never plays another inning.

But I think this is understood when people use these terms. Otherwise, it means you can't make distinctions among prospects. Everyone's just a zero as a worst-case.

[jimbo92107]

 

Having TJ surgery once doesn't mean a guy can't blow out his elbow again. I doubt it even makes it less likely.

What makes blowing out the elbow again less likely is that the player, after going through the tedious, painful ordeal of surgery and a year or more of therapy, is finally ready to listen to coaches who kept telling him to change that delivery or he'd hurt his arm. The old "inverted W" comes to mind...

[Vanimal46]

But I think this is understood when people use these terms. Otherwise, it means you can't make distinctions among prospects. Everyone's just a zero as a worst-case.

This news does make me more skeptical than ever about prospects who are advertised as "quick to the majors"... Obviously injuries can't be predicted, but Burdi's been advertised as near MLB ready since he was drafted. 3 years of injuries derailed that narrative.

 

So this year in the draft I'm very, very hesitant when I read about Wright being near MLB ready as a good reason to draft him over Greene. I want the highest ceiling instead...

[nicksaviking]

I will repeat something my wife has often said over the past few years. "Why don't they have all the pitchers they draft immediately have Tommy John surgery?" That's what they did with the #11 pick last year, maybe he will be an example for all.

That's awful. These are human beings, not some kind of disposable commodity that can be modified for our max enjoyment.

[Major League Ready]

 

There are always excuses for why something isn't done. Not one RP was promoted this spring, and not one yet. It is a pattern, I am looking at patterns, not one off decisions.

So they should call them up before they are actually ready because they are so likely to be injured????   Best case ... they don't get hurt but are  a detriment to the team which at the moment is contending for a playoff spot.  Worst case ... they get injured as you expect and they accumulate service time while injured.

 

I recall several people complaining about hi not being fast tracked a couple years and he obviously was not ready.  The same thing occurred with Berrios and you were all over that one too.  He obviously was not ready during the 2015 playoff push and we would have hurt the team's chances,  and burned his service time.  Yet, here we are with the same misguided logic.

 

This type of conclusion/logic is produced to support what you want as a fan.  It has nothing to do with evaluating the circumstances and deriving a strategy. 

[yarnivek1972]

I think there is some validity to the argument that the Twins are too slow to promote reliever prospects. Take current Indians closer Cody Allen. I use him as an example because he was drafted in Falvey's first season as dir of baseball ops. Allen pitched 17 innings in A ball, 9 in A+, 7 in AA and about 35 in AAA over roughly one calendar year and then he was up. For good. And he was far from lights out when he came up. The Indians let him struggle a bit at the MLB level.

 

IMO it shows what Falvey's plan might be going forward.

 

Now, I have no problem being a little more cautious with injured guys. But, Mason Melotakis should have been in AAA at the start of the season IMO. Maybe if he had been, the Twins would have a better idea if he was ready for the MLB level.

[DocBauer]

Injuries, no matter how bad they suck, are part of the game. What would be interesting to me, were it possible to find or quantify, was if the Twins had more TJ type injuries over the past few seasons vs other teams.

 

Even then, would it be bad luck, bad drafting knowledge, or bad development and procedure? Could we ever Know?

 

I don't know anything except this sucks. For Burdi and the Twins.

 

Watch him take 2 years to get back and suddenly turn a corner and become a stud. Just hope it's with us.

[drjim]

Injuries, no matter how bad they suck, are part of the game. What would be interesting to me, were it possible to find or quantify, was if the Twins had more TJ type injuries over the past few seasons vs other teams.

 

Even then, would it be bad luck, bad drafting knowledge, or bad development and procedure? Could we ever Know?

 

I don't know anything except this sucks. For Burdi and the Twins.

 

Watch him take 2 years to get back and suddenly turn a corner and become a stud. Just hope it's with us.

https://mlbreports.com/tj-surgery/

 

This is the best I could find with a quick search. If anything, seems Twins are on the low end.

[Twins33]

This thread made me annoyed (Burdi hurt again) and hungry (cheddar bay biscuits).

[drjim]

My hot take is that the minor leaguers most likely to make an impact in the pen this year are Jay and Romero, perhaps Chargois if he makes a recovery soon. Anyone else is just a placeholder.