Burdi to have TJ surgery

[Mike Sixel]

So they can use up service time while on the DL for a year or more?

He's 25, service time is irrelevant. So he could have pitched while healthy. From what I have read online, it is why other teams are calling up RP earlier.

[Mike Sixel]

Most importantly, good luck to him in his recovery.

[drjim]

He's 25, service time is irrelevant. So he could have pitched while healthy. From what I have read online, it is why other teams are calling up RP earlier.

If you read it online, I'm convinced.

[KirbyDome89]

 

So they can use up service time while on the DL for a year or more?

So they can get some MLB time before they become a question mark at 26

[Mike Sixel]

If you read it online, I'm convinced.

I don't know if it true or not, but it is discussed on fangraphs and ESPN and CBS. By sports analysts. Whether true or not, it's what I would do. Snark aside, what would you do?

[drjim]

I generally agree that the drafting of so many relievers over the 3 year stretch was a bad idea, but it's pretty amazing that every single one of them had a significant injury.

 

Taylor Rogers and Tyler Duffey were the only two that made it through. Rogers was a 12th rounder and Duffey was a 5th rounder, and both were starters for most of their time in the minors. Maybe there's a lesson there.

[Mike Sixel]

So they can use up service time while on the DL for a year or more?

Not calling him up means another year of him not making money, or getting lifetime healthcare, and maybe never realizing his dream.

[drjim]

I don't know if it true or not, but it is discussed on fangraphs and ESPN and CBS. By sports analysts. Whether true or not, it's what I would do. Snark aside, what would you do?

I'm a little skeptical. Relievers break in at all ages. I would be interested in some data.

 

See my previous post. Most successful strategy recently has been allowing them to start for a couple years. Maybe arm strength builds up better that way?

 

I just don't think rushing guys to the bigs does much other than have unready relievers that are throwing higher stress innings earlier.

 

I would also never again draft a reliever earlier than the 4th or 5th round, and for someone that high I would use the Duffey development plan.

[drjim]

Not calling him up means another year of him not making money, or getting lifetime healthcare, and maybe never realizing his dream.

Nice thought, but I don't think mlb teams can be this altruistic.

[Brock Beauchamp]

He's 25, service time is irrelevant. So he could have pitched while healthy. From what I have read online, it is why other teams are calling up RP earlier.

It's a smart strategy in general but doesn't really apply to Burdi. He was drafted in 2014. In 2015, he moved up to AA and was terrible. In 2016, he was injured. In 2017, he pitched for seven weeks and now he's out until 2018.

 

There's no real promotion strategy there that gets him to MLB.

[drjim]

It's a smart strategy in general but doesn't really apply to Burdi. He was drafted in 2014. In 2015, he moved up to AA and was terrible. In 2016, he was injured. In 2017, he pitched for seven weeks and now he's out until 2018.

 

There's no real promotion strategy there that gets him to MLB.

Been basically the same story for every other reliever people keep clamoring for.

 

In theory the Twins should move their relievers faster. In reality they've all been hurt.

[Mike Sixel]

There are always excuses for why something isn't done. Not one RP was promoted this spring, and not one yet. It is a pattern, I am looking at patterns, not one off decisions.

[yarnivek1972]

Been basically the same story for every other reliever people keep clamoring for.

 

In theory the Twins should move their relievers faster. In reality they've all been hurt.

Hildenberger hasn't been hurt.

[Tom Froemming]

Elbows are stupid.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Been basically the same story for every other reliever people keep clamoring for.

 

In theory the Twins should move their relievers faster. In reality they've all been hurt.

Pretty much. Maybe Ryan could have moved more quickly but, in the end, it probably wouldn't have mattered much because everyone keeps going down with injury.

[drjim]

There are always excuses for why something isn't done. Not one RP was promoted this spring, and not one yet. It is a pattern, I am looking at patterns, not one off decisions.

The pattern is they all got hurt. Literally every reliever they drafted in the higher rounds.

[Mike Sixel]

I did hate those drafts so much. Here we are in almost June, no promotions even within the minors.....

[drjim]

Hildenberger hasn't been hurt.

He was shut down early last season and had a slow start to the spring because if an elbow injury.

 

Personally, I'm not against him coming up, but I don't have especially high hopes for him.

[yarnivek1972]

He was shut down early last season and had a slow start to the spring because if an elbow injury.

 

Personally, I'm not against him coming up, but I don't have especially high hopes for him.

No reason to think he can't be similar to Pat Neshek. Sometimes, fooling hitters is just as effective as a 100 MPH fastball. The goal is to make the hitter uncomfortable.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Ugh..... This is one reason I would call up RP faster

^ It never ceases to amaze me how this suggestion gets laughed out of the water.

[drjim]

^ It never ceases to amaze me how this suggestion gets laughed out of the water.

Because it's a theoretical suggestion, not an actual look at the real people that exist in the Twins farm system.

 

But laughed out of the water seems hyperbolic. I don't think anyone is against guys coming to the majors, if healthy options actually existed.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I guess one of the next questions is he a candidate for that 9 month procedure or needs the 12-16 month one.

 

Hope he keeps his dobber up and we see him in MLB down the road

[drjim]

No reason to think he can't be similar to Pat Neshek. Sometimes, fooling hitters is just as effective as a 100 MPH fastball. The goal is to make the hitter uncomfortable.

Might work. I'm not against him getting a chance.

 

I'm not sure there's a strong need at this exact moment. I'd keep Pressly, and don't think they're going to cut Belisle or Breslow yet. Duffey, Rogers, Kintzler obviously aren't going anywhere either.

[yarnivek1972]

So, I guess one question is it simply bad luck that Chargois, Reed, Burdi, et al are hurt or is it a further indictment of the Twins development staff? Is it possible that their program is causing more harm than good? I suppose those programs are something Falvey will need to evaluate.

[yarnivek1972]

Might work. I'm not against him getting a chance.

 

I'm not sure there's a strong need at this exact moment. I'd keep Pressly, and don't think they're going to cut Belisle or Breslow yet. Duffey, Rogers, Kintzler obviously aren't going anywhere either.

Wilk, Haley?

[drjim]

So, I guess one question is it simply bad luck that Chargois, Reed, Burdi, et al are hurt or is it a further indictment of the Twins development staff? Is it possible that their program is causing more harm than good? I suppose those programs are something Falvey will need to evaluate.

Probably both. But hopefully the program can be improved.

 

Lots and lots of pitchers get hurt in the minors. Making the bigs is as much surviving as anything.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

So, I guess one question is it simply bad luck that Chargois, Reed, Burdi, et al are hurt or is it a further indictment of the Twins development staff? Is it possible that their program is causing more harm than good? I suppose those programs are something Falvey will need to evaluate.

It's absolutely possible but with the extremely small sample size we're dealing with here - three or four guys - it's equally as possible it's a result of **** luck.

[drjim]

Wilk, Haley?

One is going for Mejia. And they still probably want a long man.

[amjgt]

 

The pattern is they all got hurt. Literally every reliever they drafted in the higher rounds.

 

Tyler Jay is Sh**ing bricks right now.

 

At least with him, they are golden bricks

[jimbo92107]

Damn. I hope Nick Burdi's friends keep telling him that he'll be back. They'll fix the elbow, and his arm talent will still be there. Seems like half of all pitchers get TJ surgery these days. Are they simply trying to throw too hard? Yes, of course. Our species may have evolved to throw rocks for hunting and defense, but we did not evolve to throw as hard as possible as often as a major league pitcher does, not to mention the extra punishment from spinning a baseball in the high 80's. 

 

We are seeing more and more kids throwing fastballs in the high 90's. It is no coincidence that we are also seeing more kids tearing their elbow ligaments.