Twins option Mejia to AAA, put Haley on DL

[HitInAPinch]

Man, I really don't understand what happened to Mejia.  That was a Jim Hoey-type implosion!

Give him time to cool off and get back on track.

 

Right now, it sounds like Bubba Boshers and Kennys Vargas. No Berrios, but I believe he should be called up as a 'start of an inning' type.  Keep him working on his windup.  Gut feeling is Vargas wouldn't have gotten the call if Park were healthy.

 

No need for a 5th starter until May 6.  So we'll get to see Gibson and Hughes at least 2 more times?  

Good Times!  not.

 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

What kind of potential value is there though?

 

If I was going to use this spot then it would be with a guy that would either flame out or become a setup level guy. The problem right now is that the Twins have Haley, Tonkin and Pressly all filling the same role (low upside long/6th inning RP'ers). And Breslow as a LOOGY. And Kintzler as smoke and mirrors low upside closer.

 

At some point the Twins need to add some upside into the bullpen. Somewhere.

when 3/5 of your rotation goes 5 innings or fewer pretty much every start, there's a lot of value to a long man and very little value to a LOOGY.

 

Admittedly very SSS Haley had a 4.15 FIP with an ERA to match. That's better than Hughes, Mejia and Gibson and more innings pitched than any of those 3.

 

Has he been lights out, shut down guy? No. he's been your 6th (or 3rd) starter

[diehardtwinsfan]

Vargas for sure... since that's already been reported.

 

I've got to think Berrios gets the call. I'd be fine, I'd add, with letting Duffey start as well. 

 

On the Mejia side, I tihnk he has a lot of potential to be quite honest.  Just needs to work on somethings.

[drjim]

Boshers is getting the call (for now). Looks like they'll go 4 man rotation for stretch. I would guess Berrios after that.

 

The Boshers call up puts a little bit of a damper of the moves.

[TKGuy]

Boshers and Santana can certainly be 40-man casualties for Adrianna and a non roster player

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Boshers is getting the call (for now). Looks like they'll go 4 man rotation for stretch. I would guess Berrios after that.

 

The Boshers call up puts a little bit of a damper of the moves.

that makes me sad

[diehardtwinsfan]

Boshers is a guy I want off of the 40 man...  I suppose if they are skipping the 5th starter for now, getting Vargas is a win. Reality is that Boshers will get sent down for Berrios or Duffey will get another crack at starting. 

[diehardtwinsfan]

I'd add, I have to think Buxton isn't going to be up for much longer...  Though I'm encouraged that at least I see him taking more pitches (that are balls) now. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

And inevitably someone else is injured by the time he comes back. Which has been a point made all along although I have still wanted another hitter (not an extra utility fielder) up with the MLB team.

 

But the problem with the Twins bullpen is that they have several guys that are functioning as long/mop up men. One is okay but they need some guys that be trusted in tight situations and it doesn't look like many taking up spots in the bullpen have that potential.

is that a function of the bullpen? Or is it a function of the rotation?

 

Seems like a bit of both.

 

Haley has promise to be an ok starter and has been ok to pretty good in a swing man role. Until he was injured he ate innings which is a really good thing for a swing man to do.

 

Agreed tho, the bullpen does need to bring in guys like Chargois who have potential to be high leverage guys. There's 3-4 other guys who have been one inning at a time mop-up guys like say Tonkin or worse yet Breslow who's a LOOGY that can't/won't be used past the 6th that should be making room.

[Linus]

I'm wondering if Boshers is a signal they are not digging Breslow?

[Old Twins Cap]

It wouldn't be the Twins if they didn't have a Breslow to start the season. 

 

Remember the year they tried Jason Bartlett as an outfielder and needed to actually see the corpse of Jason Kubel in order to realize he was officially done as a player?

 

Minnesota Nice means giving the has-beens one more go at being on a mediocre club because.... well, that's the way we do it here.

[Comrade Bork]

I don't like that we are still saddled with an 8 man bullpen.. When Mejia's slot comes around again I really hope they drop a pen arm.

[drjim]

I'm wondering if Boshers is a signal they are not digging Breslow?

Maybe. But there were no other options for a pen arm on the 40 man.

[USAFChief]

Maybe. But there were no other options for a pen arm on the 40 man.

Chargois is active and has resumed pitching.

[TheLeviathan]

Calling up Berrios at this point doesn't make sense.  But when we need to go back to a five man rotation, I certainly hope it's him that we get.

[David HK]

Please, do NOT bring up another pitcher, other than JB--

 

Edit time:  I just saw the news about Boshers--  Criminy, I can't think of a worse choice for them to make.  Unless they're giving him one last chance to sink or swim--   How about we stop this charade about constantly promoting placeholders over high-ceiling guys?  I'm already set to give up on contending this year, and giving the kids (who are looking less like kids all the time), some serious MLB playing time.

 

I'm sick of this.  I think what the fans need to do is stage a general strike, and pick a game to not show up.  Gawd, this is just more of the same-old same-old.

[lukeduke1980]

 

How fun is the speculation and how full will the postings be if Vargas and Berrios are not on the roster.  Please give us more.  Make the large scale shifts we need if we have any hope going forward. 

Matt Hague and Jason Wheeler

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Calling up Berrios at this point doesn't make sense.  But when we need to go back to a five man rotation, I certainly hope it's him that we get.

That has to be their move, right? Nothing else makes sense.

 

Well, I guess they could call Mejia back up. That's also a possibility.

[jorgenswest]

Glad to see Vargas up. They need to get his bat in the lineup routinely. It will mean more time in the OF for Grossman. That is probably OK with Buxton and a bigger liability when anyone else is in center.

 

Hard to get excited about Boshers. Every team will have an arm or two on options move back and forth from AAA to the end of the major league bullpen. These guys have a short term chance to make an impression. I hope he makes the most of this opportunity. Either way, this kind of bullpen shuffle isn't worth pages of commentary.

[kab21]

 

is that a function of the bullpen? Or is it a function of the rotation?

Seems like a bit of both.

Haley has promise to be an ok starter and has been ok to pretty good in a swing man role. Until he was injured he ate innings which is a really good thing for a swing man to do.

Agreed tho, the bullpen does need to bring in guys like Chargois who have potential to be high leverage guys. There's 3-4 other guys who have been one inning at a time mop-up guys like say Tonkin or worse yet Breslow who's a LOOGY that can't/won't be used past the 6th that should be making room.

I think you missed the greater point. It is fine to have someone like Haley when you don't have Tonkin, Pressly and Breslow (a 3rd lefty). Haley is fine in his role but the entire bullpen is made of guys that are never going to be anything more than long men or 6th inning guys.

 

I would love it if 2+ guys in that group were replaced by someone with long term potential and used as a long man or 6th inning guy now.

[Brandon Warne]

 

Boshers and Santana can certainly be 40-man casualties for Adrianna and a non roster player

 

Why do I keep seeing people saying 40-man implications for Adrianza? He's on the 40. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

The more I think about this move, the more it makes sense to me. I'd like to see Chargois up but this is a temporary measure and he has barely pitched this season. It makes sense to let him rehab for a bit and then consider a promotion.

 

The Twins don't need a fifth starter but they need another pitcher because their rotation has been posting some painfully short outings over the past week.

 

So swap out your fifth starter for a bullpen guy and supplement your offense with Vargas. Basically, punt on the fifth starter decision for 10 days and pad your bullpen a bit while also adding another bat.

[DaveW]

Going to a 4 man staff when 2 of the four have been pretty terrible makes no sense. Call up Berrios, have him take Gibson's normal "spot" and have Gibson miss a start or two.

 

Boshers?? Really??? This org doesn't have a clue.

[Vanimal46]

Hope that Mejia can regroup in AAA and work his way back up to the rotation. Detroit was waiting for him to make a mistake pitch and they crushed them.

 

I tend to agree with Willihammer that Haley is turning out to be more trouble than he's worth. Just not impressed with his stuff overall.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Going to a 4 man staff when 2 of the four have been pretty terrible makes no sense. Call up Berrios, have him take Gibson's normal "spot" and have Gibson miss a start or two.

Boshers?? Really??? This org doesn't have a clue.

I suspect the front office is giving Gibson a bit more leash because when/if he is removed from the rotation, it will be permanent (unless injury issues arise and force him back in).

 

And while I don't like Boshers in Minnesota, who should the Twins have called up? Chargois? He has pitched all of 1.2 innings this season.

 

If this is a ten-day stopgap measure, it makes sense to backfill the roster with Boshers and let Chargois get his legs under him in 3-4 appearances in AAA.

[TonyInOmaha]

What kind of potential value is there though?

If I was going to use this spot then it would be with a guy that would either flame out or become a setup level guy. The problem right now is that the Twins have Haley, Tonkin and Pressly all filling the same role (low upside long/6th inning RP'ers). And Breslow as a LOOGY. And Kintzler as smoke and mirrors low upside closer. 

At some point the Twins need to add some upside into the bullpen. Somewhere.

Presley hasn't been a long man since his rule 5 year in 2013 and is in the mix as a set up guy, recent struggles aside. As for Haley's immediate value, one thing is having him fill the long role leaves more options to use Duffey depending on how he develops out of the bullpen. The other problems you mention aren't caused by Haley and don't magically disappear if you give his roster spot to any of the current replacement options.

[DaveW]

 

 

 

And while I don't like Boshers in Minnesota, who should the Twins have called up? 

 

 

I already answered that: Berrios

You don't need a 8 man bullpen, especially with a million off days coming up.

[stringer bell]

Hughes hasn't pitched well since his first start, Gibson hasn't gotten through 6 innings yet and Mejía just got sent down. I'm surprised they are going with four starters, but if they do, they really need to have a full bullpen until they can have some trust in more of their rotation. Personally, I don't think Hughes is going to cut it, so Gibson really needs to come through.

 

There isn't much starting pitching depth that is near ready and the club can't have more than one starter that they coddle through outings (as they have with Mejía and would with Berrios).

 

BTW, where are those that thought Santiago should have been non-tendered?

[David HK]

 

Please, do NOT bring up another pitcher, other than JB--

 

Edit time:  I just saw the news about Boshers--  Criminy, I can't think of a worse choice for them to make.  Unless they're giving him one last chance to sink or swim--   How about we stop this charade about constantly promoting placeholders over high-ceiling guys?  I'm already set to give up on contending this year, and giving the kids (who are looking less like kids all the time), some serious MLB playing time.

 

I'm sick of this.  I think what the fans need to do is stage a general strike, and pick a game to not show up.  Gawd, this is just more of the same-old same-old.

I'm quoting my own post here-  just to note that in order to "fix" our bullpen, we called up a guy with an ERA over 7, and a whip of 1.64.  That oughta do it.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I already answered that: Berrios

You don't need a 8 man bullpen, especially with a million off days coming up.

Then you're basically forcing yourself to call Mejia back up in ten days when a fifth starter is needed.

 

Like I said, if Gibson is going to be removed from the rotation, it should be permanent. And the Twins will need one of Berrios/Mejia in the rotation in ten days, both if Gibson is removed.

 

And while I'm not in love with demoting Mejia after three starts - that's too soon, IMO - it's hard to deny he was killing the team by averaging three innings per start.