Twins Outright Five from 40-man roster

[ashbury]

A question regarding Milone, or anyone in a similar contract situation.

 

He's off the 40-man now. He'll be non-tendered, or not offered arbitration, or whatever is the terminology.

 

Suppose he signs a AAA contract with us (or, I guess, anyone) for 2017. Does he earn a standard AAA salary, which I believe is tied to years of experience?

 

Suppose at some point in the season he is called up to the majors. Does he earn major-league minimum? Or does some arbitrator take a guess at what he should have been awarded the previous off-season and pro-rate it?

[Rosterman]

 

A question regarding Milone, or anyone in a similar contract situation.

 

He's off the 40-man now. He'll be non-tendered, or not offered arbitration, or whatever is the terminology.

 

Suppose he signs a AAA contract with us (or, I guess, anyone) for 2017. Does he earn a standard AAA salary, which I believe is tied to years of experience?

 

Suppose at some point in the season he is called up to the majors. Does he earn major-league minimum? Or does some arbitrator take a guess at what he should have been awarded the previous off-season and pro-rate it?

He gets whatever contract he can sign. Might be a major/minor split. The major portion could be pro-rated higher, but usually isn't. You also get paid more if you are actually on the 40-man. But whatever team signs him, once he comes to the majors he still gets service time. If he doesn't enter free-agency with that service time, his arbitration clock is still in play and he would have arbitration if his new team keeps him in the off-season. But he would have to be better than good, and it wouldn't probably pay as much as earned, say, last season. He's in limbo land. His best bet would be to try and grab a 2-year low millions deal, if possible, at this point. And he just might be able to do it (think Mike Pelfrey).

[gunnarthor]

 

Given we all knew this was coming....I also wonder why a player or two in AAA didn't get a look. 

 

 

Yeah, I don't know why someone like Mejia - unless he was injured - wasn't called up.  I think maybe the interim GM didn't want to add payroll (as small as it would be?) down the stretch?  But a guy like Walker could have gotten a few at-bats up here.

[Loosey]

Who makes the 40 man decisions right now?  I know Antony is still Interim GM, but the boss is still in Cleveland watching his team waltz to the world series.  Does any of this need to passed by Falvey before the transactions happen?  

 

I know they were no brainers, but they are decisions that usually need some sort of approval you would think.

 

If I bought a house and before I moved in the previous owners decided to take remove a wall and cover up the hardwood wood floors with carpet, I would be upset because I should be the ones making the decisions now that am going to be the one who should make this decisions.

[Loosey]

 

A question regarding Milone, or anyone in a similar contract situation.

 

He's off the 40-man now. He'll be non-tendered, or not offered arbitration, or whatever is the terminology.

 

Suppose he signs a AAA contract with us (or, I guess, anyone) for 2017. Does he earn a standard AAA salary, which I believe is tied to years of experience?

 

Suppose at some point in the season he is called up to the majors. Does he earn major-league minimum? Or does some arbitrator take a guess at what he should have been awarded the previous off-season and pro-rate it?

I think he gets the Minor League contract he signs, whatever that would be.  Then I believe if he makes it back to the majors he will be paid a pro-rated major league contract.  I think it would be the veteran's minimum.  Unless he negotiates a "two way" contract where he will be $XXX prorated in the Majors and $XX in the minors.

[Mr. Brooks]

Who makes the 40 man decisions right now? I know Antony is still Interim GM, but the boss is still in Cleveland watching his team waltz to the world series. Does any of this need to passed by Falvey before the transactions happen?

 

I know they were no brainers, but they are decisions that usually need some sort of approval you would think.

 

If I bought a house and before I moved in the previous owners decided to take remove a wall and cover up the hardwood wood floors with carpet, I would be upset because I should be the ones making the decisions now that am going to be the one who should make this decisions.

I would hope that Falvey is bright enough to simultaneously watch the Indians in the playoffs while also taking the couple hours, max, that it would take to decide on these few back of the roster guys.

 

I doubt these moves, however obvious, were made without the big guy's approval.

[goulik]

I would hope that Falvey is bright enough to simultaneously watch the Indians in the playoffs while also taking the couple hours, max, that it would take to decide on these few back of the roster guys.

I doubt these moves, however obvious, were made without the big guy's approval.

It has been stated previously in other places that Falvey is restricted from contact with his new team until his team is eliminated or wins the WS. He is not in the discussions.

 

This article mentions MLB rules regarding his status and that he is restricted by the commissioners office.

http://www.startribune.com/ongoing-success-for-cleveland-derek-falvey-creates-awkward-gap-for-twins-decisions/397352561/

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

When do the next five get outrighted?

[Mr. Brooks]

It has been stated previously in other places that Falvey is restricted from contact with his new team until his team is eliminated or wins the WS. He is not in the discussions.

 

This article mentions MLB rules regarding his status and that he is restricted by the commissioners office.

http://www.startribune.com/ongoing-success-for-cleveland-derek-falvey-creates-awkward-gap-for-twins-decisions/397352561/

Unless you are in the discussions, I don't see how you can claim definitively that he's not in the discussions.

People break the rules every day.

I find it hard to believe that they are making roster decisions that don't have to be made until 11/18 without at least a wink and a nod from Falvey.

[twinsnorth49]

Unless you are in the discussions, I don't see how you can claim definitively that he's not in the discussions.

People break the rules every day.

I find it hard to believe that they are making roster decisions that don't have to be made until 11/18 without at least a wink and a nod from Falvey.

I honestly doubt they need to trouble Falvey with these types of roster decisions. They were probably being planned well before his hire.

[The Wise One]

Very Limited

Major difference between potential power (Arcia and Benson) and every year proven power (35 HR & 120 RBI / Per 162 game average in minors).  I want to see what those failed averages might look like in an MLB cup of coffee.

A proven ability to miss the ball with a k% of 34% at AA and 38% at AAA Kris Davis led the majors last year with a K% of 32.9%. In AAA he was closer to 25% Walker would defy all odds to improve to even a league worse 32% K rate. Walker would shatter Mark Reynolds record of 223 strikeouts for a season playing full time. The odds of a career milb .250 hitter being that productive in the majors is remote. Walker's KATOH after his AA season projected him to be a 2.5 WAR player through 6 years of mlb ball. His AAA season would not likely improve that score as his power numbers went down. He likely will stay on the 40 man roster as he is valuable for the minor leagues.

[ashbury]

People break the rules every day.

I don't see a reason for such cynicism, nor to deny what was said plainly in the article, nor to look for hidden subtext. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

[USAFChief]

I'd actually be disappointed in Falvey if he was undermining his current employer by back channeling to his next one. I hope that's not the guy they hired.

[Mike Sixel]

I don't even know why we engage in conjecture like this, we have no idea...

[wsnydes]

 

I don't even know why we engage in conjecture like this, we have no idea...

What else is the internet for?  

 

I tend to agree with you though.  We have no idea.

[Thrylos]

 

Yeah, I don't know why someone like Mejia - unless he was injured - wasn't called up.  

 

He was.  Just for a day.  The excuse reason I heard for him not staying longer and replace, let's say, Albers, was that he threw a career high 132 innings which was 25% more than last season, so they were taking it easy.

[Thrylos]

 

 

Walker would shatter Mark Reynolds record of 223 strikeouts for a season playing full time. 

 

Nope.  Only a fool would give him enough PAs to even come close to that... 

[Mr. Brooks]

I'd actually be disappointed in Falvey if he was undermining his current employer by back channeling to his next one. I hope that's not the guy they hired.

How would saying "sure, looks good to me. " when presented a list of 5 back of the roster guys be undermining the Indians?

I can understand avoiding anything that might have even an inkling of conflict of interest between the two jobs. But I can't see any possible conflict with this move.

[Mike Sixel]

 

How would saying "sure, looks good to me. " when presented a list of 5 back of the roster guys be undermining the Indians?
I can understand avoiding anything that might have even an inkling of conflict of interest between the two jobs. But I can't see any possible conflict with this move.

 

You mean, other than it is against MLB rules? 

 

I would prefer he has no contact, if those are the rules.

[Shane Wahl]

 

These guys were on a 40-man team hoping to compete for the World Series?

 

See who picks any of them up.

 

Someone will pick up Milone. 

[Shane Wahl]

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-cubs-roster-construction-timeline-gfx-20161007-htmlstory.html

 

If anyone ever thinks that roster turnover can't be done. Sign and release until you find some keepers

 

Brilliant. Thanks for sharing. One could only hope here . .  .

[wsnydes]

 

Nope.  Only a fool would give him enough PAs to even come close to that... 

How many PAs did Danny Santana have last season again?

[Riverbrian]

 

I think Ash was saying that if our rotation is so bad that we actually miss Pat Dean, our offseason can be deemed a failure.

 

Very Impressive Jimmer.

 

I rarely know what Ash is saying. I usually nod my head up and down so it seems like I understand. 

[70charger]

 

Very Impressive Jimmer.

 

I rarely know what Ash is saying. I usually nod my head up and down so it seems like I understand. 

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/DarthSchrute/drunk-pam-nodding.gif

[Mr. Brooks]

You mean, other than it is against MLB rules?

 

I would prefer he has no contact, if those are the rules.

That is fair. But I'd prefer that Rob Antony not make any unnecessary moves, no matter how obvious, without running them by the new guy.

That leaves 2 options.

Break some minor silly rule that nobody will ever know was broken.

Or, wait until the Indians season is over.

I'm fine with either option.

 

I'm not going to be hypocritical and get outraged if the rule is broken though, as long as there is no conflict of interest.

 

This is akin to not using your blinker when you are the only car on the road.

[ashbury]

 I usually nod my head up and down so it seems like I understand. 

It's what I do when I type. You can't read it unless you do the same.

[snepp]

 

It's what I do when I type. You can't read it unless you do the same.

 

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/jeremiah_johnson_nodding.gif

 

 

 

 

 

Image to text translation: Concur

[GMinTraining]

 

Nope.  Only a fool would give him enough PAs to even come close to that... 

 

One would think that only a fool would give Ryan Merritt a chance as well.  All Merritt did was take Cleveland to a World Series today despite giving up 19 hits, 12 runs, 4 HRs, 3 BB's, and 3 SO's through 12 innings to Rochester this season.  Opportunity and belief is sometimes all people need.  

 

Off Ryan Merritt BTW w/ 0 Strike Outs

[jimmer]

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[Rosterman]

 

A proven ability to miss the ball with a k% of 34% at AA and 38% at AAA Kris Davis led the majors last year with a K% of 32.9%. In AAA he was closer to 25% Walker would defy all odds to improve to even a league worse 32% K rate. Walker would shatter Mark Reynolds record of 223 strikeouts for a season playing full time. The odds of a career milb .250 hitter being that productive in the majors is remote. Walker's KATOH after his AA season projected him to be a 2.5 WAR player through 6 years of mlb ball. His AAA season would not likely improve that score as his power numbers went down. He likely will stay on the 40 man roster as he is valuable for the minor leagues.

You don't keep a man o a 40-man roster because he is valuable to the minor leagues. You put him on the 40-man because you think he will contribute to the club on the major league level in a year or two (three at the ultimate worse) and that he is valuable to keep as a prospect in your organization, not just as a roster holder in the minors. Not only does that work against the player, but it ties up a valuable spot.