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Eh, I can't really agree with that analysis. Yeah, there are a bunch of underwhelming teams in the AL but there are a bunch of legitimately terrible teams in the NL, two of which reside in the Brewers' division.

 

I don't know which team's performance is more impressive but I don't see how the Brewers are significantly more impressive, particularly if you factor in 2016 records for both teams. Milwaukee is going to improve by 13-14 games, Minnesota is going to improve by 25 or so.

 

Oakland, the AL's third worst team, would be tied for the ninth best record in the NL.

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I know I'm diving into "KLaw has always hated the Twins!" territory here, but here I go. Dave Cameron has been consistent with not being a "believer" in the Twins all season.

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I know I'm diving into "KLaw has always hated the Twins!" territory here, but here I go. Dave Cameron has been consistent with not being a "believer" in the Twins all season.

 

that's definitely true. I doubt he dislikes the, but he has not believed in them. Those are two very different things that some fans just don't get (I know you do, btw)....

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Eh, I can't really agree with that analysis. Yeah, there are a bunch of underwhelming teams in the AL but there are a bunch of legitimately terrible teams in the NL, two of which reside in the Brewers' division.

 

I don't know which team's performance is more impressive but I don't see how the Brewers are significantly more impressive, particularly if you factor in 2016 records for both teams. Milwaukee is going to improve by 13-14 games, Minnesota is going to improve by 25 or so.

 

Oakland, the AL's third worst team, would be tied for the ninth best record in the NL.

Did he say "significantly more impressive"?  He said "probably" Brewers, and that was only if they both make the playoffs, which might take 87-88 wins from the Brewers.

 

I read the AL/NL issue as primarily that Arizona and Colorado are running away with the wild cards, not strength of league/schedule.

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538 on the Twins:

 

 

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-minnesota-twins-are-not-supposed-to-be-here/

 

they also have a great article on how people (and the media especially) struggle with probability, which seems to be the case on this site a lot....

Nice even handed article. Here's the link to the Buxton defensive highlight reel embedded in the article. Pretty nice pick me up.

 

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Mike Sixel

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Lewis Thorpe
12:13 What's Lewis Thorpe's upside if he stays healthy?

 

Eric A Longenhagen
12:13 Realistically? Mid-rotation guy. Still just 21.

 

Jim
1:26 Which of these teenagers has impressed you the most: Akil Baddo, Wander Javier, Brandon Marsh, or Starling Heredia?

 

Eric A Longenhagen
1:26 All? Baddoo surprised me the most.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/eric-longenhagen-prospects-chat-instructional-league-tour/

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Hot off the presses at Fangraphs....

"What if the Twins Win the World Series?"

 

the comments are priceless....

 

he's asking if it is good, or bad, for the game if a clearly inferior playoff team wins the WS.....nothing more or less....using this year's Twins as the example/use case.

 

Frankly, I think there should be a regular season champion, and a short season champion, and every team should make the short season.....

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I'm not going to bother my putting comments in the Fangraphs comments

 

I'm not even going to place a vote because, well, I can't separate my fandom from my opinion.

 

In my opinion, the writer missed a large check mark in the "good" column.... is it good for baseball for there to be such a large disparity in the payrolls across baseball? I think most would say that it's not. You can't allow for such a large disparity while also not rooting for the underdogs to succeed, given that, based solely on payroll, about 20 teams are "underdogs" before we even start playing games.

 

If having underdog (read: low payroll) teams win sometimes, or even often, may dissuade the largest markets from spending money that they have every right to spend, but sometimes gets a little silly.

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Frankly, I think there should be a regular season champion, and a short season champion, and every team should make the short season.....

 

NBA and NHL fan?

 

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Does Jeff Sullivan think this is the first non-elite team to ever make the post season? Odd to think that this situation has only just now occurred to him.

 

I'd guess a lot of stories on websites are about things that have happened before, but that author hasn't written about before. Heck, there are no new stories...

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The 2006 Cardinals won the WS with an 83-79 record.   The Twins will have at least an equal record to that if they make it to the post-season.

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The 2006 Cardinals won the WS with an 83-79 record.   The Twins will have at least an equal record to that if they make it to the post-season.

 

And? What does that have to do with the question asked......nothing. 

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And? What does that have to do with the question asked......nothing. 

 

The point is, it happened previously.  Not. So. Rare.  It happens.

 

Also, Colorado and Milwaukee have about the same record with the Twins and one of them will be the Wild Card.

Why single the Twins out? 

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The point is, it happened previously.  Not. So. Rare.  It happens.

 

Also, Colorado and Milwaukee have about the same record with the Twins and one of them will be the Wild Card.

Why single the Twins out? 

 

Probably because it worked better on the "good" side of the argument, due to the historic turnaround from last season.

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the comments are priceless....

 

he's asking if it is good, or bad, for the game if a clearly inferior playoff team wins the WS.....nothing more or less....using this year's Twins as the example/use case.

 

Frankly, I think there should be a regular season champion, and a short season champion, and every team should make the short season.....

They call that a pennant.

 

As for the rest, just another example of how Fangraphs goes out of it's way to prove how little they actually understand baseball.

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Haha, yeah, it's the people at FANGRAPHS who don't understand the game.  Wow.

They might understand lots about math.

 

That doesn't mean they understand baseball.

 

 

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Haha, yeah, it's the people at FANGRAPHS who don't understand the game. Wow.

Perhaps too far into the forest to see the trees.

 

With a magnifying glass: the number of micro level discrepancies between the Twins and the Dodgers is stunning.

 

High level: this happens in every sport nearly every post season. This is routine not an abnormality, if you take a step back.

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