Paul mad! Paul smash!

[kydoty]

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[kydoty]

Fantastic plan, guys.  *rolls eyes*

 

 

@RhettBollinger  

Nolasco wasn't happy with Ramirez's bat flip. But didn't see it until he watched it on computer after outing: "He’ll get his. Don’t worry.”

[jimmer]

Do these guys ever grow up?  Things like this kind of make me glad my kids have no interest in the game.  Be hard to explain why grown men got butt-hurt because their pitcher threw up a meatball, it got served over the wall, and now they want to project that blame on a guy who was happy he did something well at the plate.  It's hard enough to get kids to admit their own mistakes and to stop deflecting blame without having millionaires showing them it's okay.

[Seth Stohs]

I was happy to hear Terry Francona say the things he said. Francona will no doubt take care of it. Good for Rosario for saying something. That was pretty pathetic. Ramirez is young, but there's no excuse for what he did. My guess is the Twins won't retaliate on Thursday. The game is too big to let emotion like that get into it. I'm sure Molitor and Francona will discuss it. I'm sure Francona will apologize. My guess is that Ramirez will have received a loud talking to from Francona and then they'll move on.

[DaveW]

1st off: Who cares.

2nd off: Who cares, you were getting your ass kicked, you should be upset more at Pelf then a dude hitting a bomb in a meaningless game.

3rd off: Seriously? who cares, you are in the middle of a playoff chase, who cares that some guy flipped a bat.

4th off: You still upset? Fine, go talk to a counselor. Suzuki, frankly, I would love to see you put that sort of effort in a throw down to 2nd one of these days.

5th off: Ok? You want retribution? Ok! Do it in 2016, early season perhaps.

6th off: Oh You need it now? Seems like a 10-2 game would have been a good time to exact "revenge" with a RP you wont need the rest of the year.

7th off: Oh, wait, you want it tomorrow due to some unwritten "rule"? Lol. No. Grow up Gardy/Suzuki/every baseball writer born before 1950.

[DaveW]

 

 

I was happy to hear Terry Francona say the things he said. Francona will no doubt take care of it. Good for Rosario for saying something. That was pretty pathetic. Ramirez is young, but there's no excuse for what he did. My guess is the Twins won't retaliate on Thursday. The game is too big to let emotion like that get into it. I'm sure Molitor and Francona will discuss it. I'm sure Francona will apologize. My guess is that Ramirez will have received a loud talking to from Francona and then they'll move on.

"That's it Ramirez, no in between at bats beers for you in the clubhouse for the rest of this series!"

 

"Damn coach, thats rough! Lighten up!"

 

"Ok, you are right, sorry, no in between at-bats beers next game between your 2nd and third at bat!"

[old nurse]

The kid has not hit enough home runs yet for a career anywhere but the sandlot. Let him be excited. Bat comes near your dugout, smash the thing and have the clubhouse kid get it back to him.  Draw a skull on the bat with part caved in. It is a game.

[Riverbrian]

I don't understand the bat flip... don't look at your home run or showing up your opponent thing. Celebrate Success. Be it Baseball... college football or closing a deal with an important client. 

 

But... if it gets the guys motivated so be it. Whatever lights your fire... Light it.

 

Get Pissed Twins... Flick that switch. 

 

But I have never cared... I'd love to see Sano hit a 500 foot home run... stand and watch it and pinch every infielders nose as he goes around the bases and cartwheel as he crosses home plate. 

 

As long as he touches home plate. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Platoon]

If he had bunted, or been on base and stole third with that big lead, yeah that's rude! Excited about hitting, for him, a rare HR, that's mostly youthful exuberance. BTW, is there any clear audio of what Molly was saying. To touch on Daves point, it appears to me that Molitor was showing Suzuki not only a better arm angle when throwing to second, but the actual general location of the bag.

[TheLeviathan]

I think it's silly to pissed at the flip, but as long as they don't retaliate I don't really care. Don't give up the homer if you don't want someone to admire it.

[Linus]

I generally don't care about that stuff but when your own manager starts apologizing right away it's obviously something that would have pissed off most teams.

[USAFChief]

The reason the Twins were upset about the bat flip was because it was calculated and deliberate. He showed them up.

 

If he had simply been excited, and reacted out of emotion, nobody would have been upset.

[h2oface]

He showed them up? Personally, I can't read minds. I can't assume intention, especially in a celebration. 

 

Pitchers do it all the time. The fist pump coming off the mound, after a key strikeout........ and that is OK too. Nobody seems to get bent out of shape about that. But a batter gets all happy and it is showing someone up? And the fake fighting and benches clearing that happens? Always funny, and really immature. Flipping bats, fist pumping....... good for the boys to have some fun. It is the most cowardly thing in baseball to throw at a batter intentionally. Having your teammate's back? Hit a home run, get any hit, strike the guy out the next 10 times. Macho macho men. Grow up. Play ball. Celebrate when you want. It is a game, after all. Show some joy. The game is never too big for to let emotion like that get into it. It only makes the game more of a game and more fun to watch.

[mikecgrimes]

The fact the ball went into the first or 2nd row also plays a role.  Buxton hit the same ball and was attempting to get a triple as the ball cleared the wall in a similar situation.  Sano hit a ball 430 feet and treated it like just another HR Rosario hit one and despite the fact he could have gone out of his way to flip his bat he ran the bases and gave the kid a couple words and moved on.  I don't mind a little flip on no doubter but that was the kind of flip only allowed on a 430 foot walk off.

[USAFChief]

He showed them up? Personally, I can't read minds. I can't assume intention, especially in a celebration. 

 

Pitchers do it all the time. The fist pump coming off the mound, after a key strikeout........ and that is OK too. Nobody seems to get bent out of shape about that. But a batter gets all happy and it is showing someone up? And the fake fighting and benches clearing that happens? Always funny, and stupid. Flipping bats, fist pumping....... good for the boys to have some fun. It is the most cowardly thing in baseball to throw at a batter intentionally. Having your teammate's back? Hit a home run, get any hit, strike the guy out the next 10 times. Macho macho men. Grow up. Play ball. Celebrate when you want. It is a game, after all. Show some joy.

 

That's just it...he wasn't showing joy. He was showing up the other team. Deliberately.

 

Now, maybe you still don't think that's a valid reason to take exception. But that's the reason.

 

And lest anyone mistake anything about this, both teams knew it instantly, so for those teams at least, it was valid.

[nicksaviking]

I don't see why Francona should have to apologize for the actions of one of his players.

 

He flipped his bat? Who cares, all I care about is the scoreboard, if the Twins want to get upset, get upset about that.  It's like teams complaining about the Patriots running up the score.  If you don't like it, stop them from doing it.  And so what if he was showing up the Twins, the Twins just ended Cleveland's playoff hopes three hours prior, and now the guy had a chance to really put a hurt on the Twins playoff chances.  If the roles had been reversed, plenty of us would be thrilled to stick it to the team that just ended our season.

 

I think showboating is juvenile, but I think getting upset about it is even more juvenile.  I'd prefer my team acted like grounded adults tend to act when they encounter misbehaving children, ignore them, or at worst, calmly tell them that they are making a fool of themselves.

 

Besides, doesn't Torii Hunter flip his bat every single time he hits a HR or even thinks he hit a HR?

[TheLeviathan]

The reason the Twins were upset about the bat flip was because it was calculated and deliberate. He showed them up.

If he had simply been excited, and reacted out of emotion, nobody would have been upset.

Nobody would get upset at emotion? Um....have you just started watching baseball?

[Kwak]

Amazing that posters consider the !@@## (posing) that Hunter does "leadership" or "team spirit", but when a opponent (especially one who has just witnessed 2 games of this) retaliates in kind to be "bush league" or whatever the modern day term is.  True, it was "uncalled"--but considering it was a Row 1 HR that turned a six run lead into a 9 run lead just emphasizes the lack of importance of that HR!  The twins should have been laughing at him instead of complaining about disrespect.

[kydoty]

 

BTW, is there any clear audio of what Molly was saying.

 

He was yelling "Get the **** off the field!!!"

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Perhaps he should be more angry at Pelfrey's horrible performance.

 

[jimmer]

Maybe another reason the kid was excited, besides the fact he doesn't hit a lot of HR, is because the Twins had walked the previous batter to get to him even though there was already two outs so there was no strategic reason to do so? 

[Winston Smith]

They should have been yelling at Nolasco!! He's the one to blame not the kid excited about hitting a homerun.

[USAFChief]

Nobody would get upset at emotion? Um....have you just started watching baseball?

Nobody got upset when Puckett showed some emotion rounding the bases after ending game six.

 

Nobody gets upset about teams and players celebrating a walk off win.

 

Nobody gets upset about a pitcher fist pumping after a huge K to end a threat.

 

They get upset when actions AREN'T borne from emotion.

 

Which was the case in this instance.

[Dr. Evil]

It's like a 7 game playoff series in hockey. These teams have been playing each other a lot lately. I'm sure that contributed to some extent to these teams getting under one another's skin. As for the showmanship on the home run, I put myself in the batter's shoes and try to imagine myself in his situation. I really can't imagine myself doing that in that situation. I would feel like somewhat of a moron. I can understand Molitor and Brunansky getting upset and also Francona sort of admitting it was a bit bush league. I think if you surveyed managers around the league, most would agree it was not very cool.

[jimmer]

 

They should have been yelling at Nolasco!! He's the one to blame not the kid excited about hitting a homerun.

This.  All these dumb old school unwritten rules drive me crazy.  He wasn't yelling at the Twins as he rounded the bases, he wasn't staring down Nolasco as he crossed home plate, he got excited about hitting a HR.  Be a boring robot kid, stop showing up a team that you hit a HR off of after that they walked a guy to get to you.

[jimmer]

 

It's like a 7 game playoff series in hockey. These teams have been playing each other a lot lately. I'm sure that contributed to some extent to these teams getting under one another's skin. As for the showmanship on the home run, I put myself in the batter's shoes and try to imagine myself in his situation. I really can't imagine myself doing that in that situation. I would feel like somewhat of a moron. I can understand Molitor and Brunansky getting upset and also Francona sort of admitting it was a bit bush league. I think if you surveyed managers around the league, most would agree it was not very cool.

It's a team projecting blame on the batter instead of where it belongs: On the team decision to walk the previous batter and the pitcher who served up the meatball.  

 

And of course the managers would agree, because they all grew up in this same stupid culture that says everyone must follow these stupid old school rules lest players, who are looking for any reason to say they are insulted instead of looking to themselves for the blame, are given anything close to an excuse to say they are being insulted. 

[Gernzy]

I personally like the unwritten rules since it keeps the game civilized. Showing up the other team, which is what did happen last night, isn't cool. Imagine if a golfer flipped his club after an amazing tee shot? He'd get run off the course!

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

I think the only reasonable payback is for the Twins to win tonight's game.

[Steve Penz]

Get mad.  I love it.  DON'T throw at his head or anybody else's but a nice fast ball to the glute or ribs on another occasion would be fine with me.  Acting like punk and celebrating are different things.  It is a bit childish to get mad about a bat flip but so what?  Folks have been saying for years that there is not enough fire in our clubhouse.  There is fire and that is too much?  I say turn it up.  I wish that Fryer had met him 15 feet up the 3rd base line (see Brian McCann and Carlos Gomez).  Shrugging it off and being a perfect gentleman is not going to get the team to first place.

[Mike Sixel]

Maybe everyone should lighten up, and not even think that this is showing anyone up.......explain who was hurt by this action, and how. The only hurt people are those that have decided that this should hurt them. It literally causes zero harm to flip your bat, none. Nada. Nil.

 

Explain what intrinsic harm was done to anyone, and I might listen.....