Buxton's done. Stick a fork in him.

[USAFChief]

discuss.

[mickeymental]

what took you so long?

[Craig Arko]

Maybe it's not too late to get Schafer back.

[JB_Iowa]

Does this work when Chief starts the thread???

 

From a serious standpoint, what is the path of not-Hicksing him??

[Bark's Lounge]

To start off he is already 21 years old. His advanced age makes me believe he is probably a AAAA player. He should have been up with Twins 3 years ago.

 

To be honest, I think the Twins just threw the guy a bone and decided to give him 1 taste of majors. After this period of time ends, we will never see him in the bigs again.

 

Speed and Defense: The 2 most overrated skills in todays game of baseball. He should be riding the pine as a 4th outfielder and Escobar should be playing in CF.

 

2 years from now, I have a hard time seeing Buxton making the roster of a beer league softball team in his home town.

 

But we all knew this anyways. Sorry to state the obvious.

[Seth Stohs]

 

discuss.

 

No.

[stringer bell]

Give him his two weeks (that's another week) and see if he's got a few things figured out. It could be he needs to go back to Chattanooga or perhaps Rochester. I don't think using the option matters that much, but so far the hitting is pretty bad and it can't make it easier to play good defense. Oh, and i think a haircut is in order. Not a fan of the blonde top.

[Craig Arko]

discuss.

Might be a good idea to let the boss in on the joke.

[drjim]

 

what took you so long?

 

Seriously. He was done three games ago, now they are just delaying the inevitable.

[blairpaul715]

This is Buxton???!!!!!! Dang, I long for the days of Hicks!!!!

[Rosterman]

Hey, Hicks started slow.

 

Joe Benson just released by the Braves.

 

Lew Ford could be woowed from the Long Island Ducks.

 

Anyone know where Jason Tyner is?

 

Seriously, everyday is a learning day for Buxton. The big decision happens when Hicks is ready to return.

[HitInAPinch]

 

discuss.

 

No

[Kwak]

Does this mean he won't be HOF in his first year of eligibility? 

 

Based on Bust-on's experience, should we restrain our enthusiasm for an immediate promotion of Sano?--Or, given Sano's ueber (I don't have an umlaut) athleticism will he replace Buxton in CF?

[TwinsCD]

I know this thread is created in jest but this is what I was afraid of when they called him up.  I know he's been crushing AA pitching but he just doesn't look right at the plate quite yet...like he's almost constantly overmatched.  To think it will be a Hicks situation is unlikely but I'm not sure how much longer Bux should be up.

[Monkeypaws]

Hey, the dude worked 2 walks today. 2! How long would it take Oswaldo to do that?

[Thrylos]

He is not done, but he has no business being in the majors right now.  He is hurting the team at this point.  I'd rather see Rosario at Center and Arcia at left.

[ashbury]

Might be a good idea to let the boss in on the joke.

Yes, because Chief is afraid of being fired.

 

[Bark's Lounge]

 

Yes, because Chief is afraid of being fired.

 

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Where's Dom Cobb when you need him? I think we are inside of a joke, that is inside of another joke, that is inside of yet another joke, etc., etc...

 

If we get out of this in one piece, Saito better keep his promise.

[DuluthFan]

Why wasn't Buxton pinch hit for in the bottom of the 10th?

He is batting .091 and the Twins needed two more baserunners. Both Nunez and Herrmann were available off the bench. Nunez is batting .306 and Herrmann is at .196. Even light hitting Herrmann had double the chance of getting on base at that point. Buxton has looked horrible at the plate, swinging at pitches out of the zone. He only just got his first walk earlier in this game. He was in no way prepared to bat in this situation.

 

It's one thing to let a rookie work through some issues at the plate, but with the game on the line and baserunners needed, and Buxton not yet proving he could get on base at a reliable rate, this was an ideal situation for a more experienced major league hitter.

[Platoon]

I know Buxton is struggling mightily, and I would have no objection to him going back if Hicks comes back on schedule and his struggles continue. But, watching some of the younger Cubs players I saw similar problems with what to swing at. Pitches over their heads. Balls in the dirt, they swung at everything. My point, we have two choices here. Lose with mediocre no upside talent, or lose with young talent which either is the future, or should be. With the former you know what the future will be. With the latter you have a chance to improve significantly, but not likely until next year. Hitting in the major leagues is very very difficult. See Cuddyer, Dozier, Plouffe, Hunter, Morneau, Gomez, and Ortiz. There are very few Mauer's and Trouts. And even Trout did not stick the first time.

[Craig Arko]

Yes, because Chief is afraid of being fired.

 

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http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/The-Impact-of-Manners-Reggie-Wi

[spinowner]

 

...we have two choices here...

The one choice is for the Twins front office to do what they feel is best for Buxton.

[twinsnorth49]

Just find Lex Luthor and the kryptonite and we're all good.

[h2oface]

If this gets overused, it will stop working!

 

[drjim]

 

I know Buxton is struggling mightily, and I would have no objection to him going back if Hicks comes back on schedule and his struggles continue. But, watching some of the younger Cubs players I saw similar problems with what to swing at. Pitches over their heads. Balls in the dirt, they swung at everything. My point, we have two choices here. Lose with mediocre no upside talent, or lose with young talent which either is the future, or should be. With the former you know what the future will be. With the latter you have a chance to improve significantly, but not likely until next year. Hitting in the major leagues is very very difficult. See Cuddyer, Dozier, Plouffe, Hunter, Morneau, Gomez, and Ortiz. There are very few Mauer's and Trouts. And even Trout did not stick the first time.

 

Agree with this completely. For really talented guys it is wise to give a long leash and see if they can work it out. Even Terry Ryan stated that Buxton has taken some time to adjust at each level, bigs will be like that but even more so. Going back and lighting up AA again will have limited value and AAA really isn't much different from AA, it is a holding place for depth.

[Willihammer]

 

I know this thread is created in jest but this is what I was afraid of when they called him up.  I know he's been crushing AA pitching but he just doesn't look right at the plate quite yet...like he's almost constantly overmatched.  To think it will be a Hicks situation is unlikely but I'm not sure how much longer Bux should be up.

Was he crushing AA though? I'd say Correa was crushing. Gallo was crushing. Schwarber was crushing. Buxton I would say was doing well, and maybe deserved a promotion to AAA soon. Admittedly with the Hicks injury and Torii getting suspended it forced the issue and there weren't any exciting alternatives. Its been fun to watch the replay of that triple over and over but he looks no more ready than Hicks when they recalled him from AA when he had put up similar stats except on defense and on the bases (that one time he was able to get on).

[Jham]

 

I know Buxton is struggling mightily, and I would have no objection to him going back if Hicks comes back on schedule and his struggles continue. But, watching some of the younger Cubs players I saw similar problems with what to swing at. Pitches over their heads. Balls in the dirt, they swung at everything. My point, we have two choices here. Lose with mediocre no upside talent, or lose with young talent which either is the future, or should be. With the former you know what the future will be. With the latter you have a chance to improve significantly, but not likely until next year. Hitting in the major leagues is very very difficult. See Cuddyer, Dozier, Plouffe, Hunter, Morneau, Gomez, and Ortiz. There are very few Mauer's and Trouts. And even Trout did not stick the first time.

 

I strongly disagree.  You're proposing a race to the bottom.  You can't just keep reaching at unproven and hope to have 9 guys reach their potential simultaneously.  Some of your prospects will bust, others will level out. You might not have anyone better than the guy you just let go.  Give yourself the best chance of winning, and most often the rebuild will take care of itself.  Imagine how much different this season would be if we DFA'd Pelfrey, traded Milone, and put Meyer in the rotation this spring.

 

I categorically disagree with any organizational move that is predicated upon a belief that we have the power to tell the future. Furthermore, I don't think it's productive to assume that the team will lose either way.  Either of these fallacies in logic will tend to lean toward an over-valuation of young talent instead of a realistic evaluation of how to make the team better. Boredom in the known and infatuation in the unknown is what landed us Gomez and Humber instead of Lester and Crisp or Melky and Hughes.  As it turned out, it's also what lost us Gomez, lost us Hardy, and got us that flame thrower we got for Hardy.  Almost every average and even below average MLB player was once a touted if not highly touted prospect.  

 

We may lose, but we should try to win.  

[d-mac]

I know Buxton is struggling mightily, and I would have no objection to him going back if Hicks comes back on schedule and his struggles continue. But, watching some of the younger Cubs players I saw similar problems with what to swing at. Pitches over their heads. Balls in the dirt, they swung at everything. My point, we have two choices here. Lose with mediocre no upside talent, or lose with young talent which either is the future, or should be. With the former you know what the future will be. With the latter you have a chance to improve significantly, but not likely until next year. Hitting in the major leagues is very very difficult. See Cuddyer, Dozier, Plouffe, Hunter, Morneau, Gomez, and Ortiz. There are very few Mauer's and Trouts. And even Trout did not stick the first time.

Except their hitters have proven to be able to make contact when the ball is in the strikezone. Twins young hitters just look overmatched.

[Thegrin]

Dang! There are people writing as though this is supposed to be a serious discussion.  I guess if u don't read the daily game threads, you won't know the writers or get the joke.   

[Platoon]

I strongly disagree.  You're proposing a race to the bottom.  You can't just keep reaching at unproven and hope to have 9 guys reach their potential simultaneously.  Some of your prospects will bust, others will level out. You might not have anyone better than the guy you just let go.  Give yourself the best chance of winning, and most often the rebuild will take care of itself.  Imagine how much different this season would be if we DFA'd Pelfrey, traded Milone, and put Meyer in the rotation this spring.

 

I categorically disagree with any organizational move that is predicated upon a belief that we have the power to tell the future. Furthermore, I don't think it's productive to assume that the team will lose either way.  Either of these fallacies in logic will tend to lean toward an over-valuation of young talent instead of a realistic evaluation of how to make the team better. Boredom in the known and infatuation in the unknown is what landed us Gomez and Humber instead of Lester and Crisp or Melky and Hughes.  As it turned out, it's also what lost us Gomez, lost us Hardy, and got us that flame thrower we got for Hardy.  Almost every average and even below average MLB player was once a touted if not highly touted prospect.  

 

We may lose, but we should try to win.

 

I am not a huge fan of rebuttals. But. Your first paragraph precludes an honest appraisal of your teams chances. Pretending is fine for the fans, it sells tickets. But if the team beliefs its own hype, their decision making, ie, being buyers instead of sellers in July becomes flawed and harmful. As for the power to tell the future, that could be called evaluation. And the belief that you will lose either way can be called realism. This doesn't mean you have to desire to lose, but it does mean you have to accept the fact that it will likely be the result of either course you chart. In that case, I would choose the opportunity to put together a long term competitive team vs a team that's claim to fame is having played meaningful games in late August!