Royals 2, Twins 1: First Place Twins Swept by the Last Place Royals

Embarrassing and unacceptable!!!!!🤬😡🤬😡as far as I’m concerned gallo played his last game as a twin!!! We definitely need to shake things up at deadline-trade one if our outfielders for power hitter/trade sonny/one of pitchers in bullpen padres closer/starter. You can’t sell!!! Even though it sucks we got swept!!! You can’t. I’m beyond upset about losing but if twins don’t win division it’s wasted season. 

Pathetic team and effort. Terrible management. If we can’t hit lefties, why doesn’t the manager make the right adjustments. 

2 minutes ago, Peter said:

Embarrassing and unacceptable!!!!!🤬😡🤬😡as far as I’m concerned gallo played his last game as a twin!!! We definitely need to shake things up at deadline-trade one if our outfielders for power hitter/trade sonny/one of pitchers in bullpen padres closer/starter. You can’t sell!!! Even though it sucks we got swept!!! You can’t. I’m beyond upset about losing but if twins don’t win division it’s wasted season. 

I know how you feel. What pathetic effort in a must win game. 

Here’s the problem I have with the “hey we’re still in it”, “chip and a chair” crowd…

You’re rewarding mediocrity. You’re playing right into the hands of an ownership and FO that sell this as ‘success’…year after year. En mass, you provide no incentive for real change, real progress.

The club is still in the ALC race and could still very well win it. I hope they do, and I’ll be cheering them on. But it won’t necessarily mean I think it was a “good” season.

Taking advantage of a terrible division year after year to ‘compete’, and hoping that lightning strikes in the postseason is not a plan…it’s a shell game.

Honestly, I’m to the point where I wish the club was playing in a different division,…I’m guessing that might be the only thing that would light any kind of fire under this organization.

Living here in the KC area for the last 20 years as a lifelong Twins fans, I'm often asked why I don't travel 20 minutes down I-70 to watch a game/series.

This weekend explains why.

Just a horrible performance from everyone involved.

Well at least the deadline is staring them in the face. We will see if Falvey or Levine or whoever it is can have that difficult conversation with a proud veteran. 

There need to be some changes made, but I don't think much is going to happen by Tues afternoon at 5pm. I think we'll pretty much stand pat. I think Gallo is still here, I doubt we'll add a righty bat, and we'll probably add a middling RP from somewhere. I just can't see this FO making many moves, even though they've done that in the past. I think this year is different. I sure hope I'm wrong. 

37 minutes ago, wabene said:

Well at least the deadline is staring them in the face. We will see if Falvey or Levine or whoever it is can have that difficult conversation with a proud veteran. 

There should have been 25-30 difficult conversations this season.  Maybe there were and we don’t know. Just remember the player only meeting and that lasted less than a week 

41 minutes ago, CRF said:

There needs to be some changes made, but I don't think much is going to happen by Tues afternoon at 5pm. I think we'll pretty much stand pat. I think Gallo is still here, I doubt we'll add a righty bat, and we'll probably add a middling RP from somewhere. I just can't see this FO making many moves, even though they've done that in the past. I think this year is different. I sure hope I'm wrong. 

I don’t trust their judgement one bit.  

1 hour ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

Let's hope the Twins don't play Kansas City in the postseason

Truth

1 hour ago, LastOnePicked said:

I'm well past that point. The idea that the Twins have been competitive in recent years is a total fiction - and its a fantasy that's kept us from a necessary rebuild and organizational restructuring.

If by recent years, you mean since 2021, I agree.  The Twins were absolutely competitive in 2019, but due to injuries and bad luck, didn’t make any noise.  Hard to blame them for the bizarre season that was 2020.  2017/2018 don’t count against Falvine, since they were still trying to build up from the disaster that was 2016.

Dont get me wrong, I think significant changes need to be made at pretty much every level of the organization this off-season.  But to pretend the Falvine regime has been 7 years of famine is just not accurate.

1 hour ago, LastOnePicked said:

I'm well past that point. The idea that the Twins have been competitive in recent years is a total fiction - and its a fantasy that's kept us from a necessary rebuild and organizational restructuring.

What crystal ball says this so-called rebuild will not be just more the same , or worse?

The Twins went 8-2 in the first ten games post-All Star break and then lose 5 of the last 6 because of course they did.

Looking ahead at their schedule, there's a stretch of games at the end of August where they play Texas and Cleveland a total of 13 games.  That has potential to get real ugly, real fast for the hometown heroes' postseason aspirations.

34 minutes ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

If by recent years, you mean since 2021, I agree.  The Twins were absolutely competitive in 2019, but due to injuries and bad luck, didn’t make any noise.  Hard to blame them for the bizarre season that was 2020.  2017/2018 don’t count against Falvine, since they were still trying to build up from the disaster that was 2016.

Dont get me wrong, I think significant changes need to be made at pretty much every level of the organization this off-season.  But to pretend the Falvine regime has been 7 years of famine is just not accurate.

How many playoff games have they won since the FO got here?   Although some of the currents players were not picked by this FO the one thing they have missed the boat on big time is improving them or letting them go.  Also this is going on 20 or 33 years depending your version of success.  

3 minutes ago, shabbos1 said:

hometown heroes

Who are the hero’s?

Crickets from the owners on this disaster.  They are happy with the status quo

17 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

But see, here's the problem with the fire everyone crowd.  I don't know that I've heard anyone call this a 'success'.  I haven't heard anyone say this is a 'good' season in any crowds I run with, including this board.  It's very easy to create a straw man to argue with and if you can actually point me to that person, I'll argue along side with you.

That person doesn't exist though.  Nobody is making these claims.

No real change or real progress.  My brother in Christ, please look back at the pitching rotation in 2020 and 2021.  Look at the rest of the roster in those years.  It made me gag just a bit when I did.  The monumental leaps this organization has made in the past five years dwarf any other 5 year period in the franchise history.  They still have work to do. I've been saying all year, this is the most talented 40 man roster most of us have seen in our fan lifetimes and I will continue to stand by that.  (yes, 1969 is before my time)

No, it isn't a success.  Yet.  No it hasn't been a good season. Yet.  There is a huge problem in the offensive coaching/strategy department that I'm actually pretty confident they will fix, although maybe not this year.

And I hate to break it to you, but making the postseason and hoping lightning strikes the right spot is literally the main objective of this entire dumb exercise.  If you want to call it a shell game, fine, but its literally everyone's plan. 

And playing in another division might actually be a good thing for this squad.  The same squad that seems to have a problem playing to the level of their opponents.  We might be surprised how well they would do. 

We should all probably do a little less reacting daily and hourly to a weekly and monthly sport.  That said, this has been a really ****** week.

Completely miss the point. I’m not reacting to this week, or even this year. I’m reacting to the status quo. Years. And where did I say fire everybody? Where did I say fire ANYBODY. Straw man.

If you’re happy with ALC division titles, that’s your right…great.

I’m not.

8 minutes ago, LastOnePicked said:

No, it isn't. Some teams know that their talent can't match that goal. Therefore, they conserve resources, avoid making bad trades and create a plan for success later on.

The worst thing to do in this game is to push in all your chips with a bad hand. You lose in the short term and the long term that way. That was 2022 in a nutshell for the Twins. That's shaping up to be 2023 as well.

Even if this team makes the playoffs by some continued Cleveland underperformance, all anyone would see is the playoff futility streak extended to 0-20. No crystal ball needed for that, I assure you.

This team took the series from the Yankees; no crystal ball needed for that.

The Chicken-Little attitude does not mean if they make the play-offs they cannot win a game, regardless no matter how much some here hope they do not.