Big Picture: The Twins’ Deadline Strategy Reveals a Risky Confidence in Themselves

It's still not clear to me that there was/is a strategy from the front office, other than dumping a lot of salary and trading some expiring contracts. But as Cody says in the article, the biggest surprise was trading away younger players that still had some team control. I know I'm in the minority, but I don't hate most of these trades, except for the very unexpected and unwarranted Varland trade. That one annoys me the most. But unlike many others, I'm not sold on the idea that we are in the midst of a rebuild. Except for a decimated bullpen, we still have the makings of a good team. The core of the team remains relatively intact and our starter rotation now actually looks stronger. We've kept key guys like Buxton and Lewis, and maybe even Lee will finally fulfill his promise. So, I'm not ready to jump ship yet. Bring up some of the young prospects for the rest of this season and let them play. See what you've got. We're not on the verge of making the playoffs, so let's be creative and test some of our young position players and pitchers. The bullpen certainly is now a very weak area, but even on that count I'm not alarmed. I think that's easier to fix than trying to find three new arms for the starting rotation. 

While I'm personally sad to see Varland go, I can see the logic to all the trades. There's no need for a top end bullpen next year on what's likely going to be a 70ish win team.

1 hour ago, Cody Pirkl said:

 

For this to pay off for next season, the Twins are making two significant assumptions. First, they have to be able to field a competitive bullpen despite completely tearing their once-feared relief corps down to the studs. Second, they have to make the adjustments to the players they acquired that their previous organizations couldn’t make. 

 

 

When is a rebuild ever intended to make the following season better?  This article makes absolutely no sense in the context of what just happened.  Next year is going to be about sorting out several new OFers and several SPs when they likely trade at least 2 of the big 3 away this winter.  Of course, they will also start the process of rebuilding the BP but that likely takes shape over a 2-year period.  Some of the numerous SP prospects we have will be converted to RPs over the next couple of years.

The INF will not have as many prospects involved.  The big questions will be when Culpepper arrives and who is auditioned at first base.  

The goal between now and the end of the 2026 will be to solidify as many positions as possible.  Best case scenario is things go really well next year, they pick-up a couple premium MLB ready prospects via trading Lopez/Ryan/Ober and they head into 2027 with a shot at a playoff spot.

7 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

The big questions will be when Culpepper arrives and who is auditioned at first base.  

Yeah, first base will remain up for grabs. Another free agent signing?

I wonder if Falvy would be interested in some really good  swa...er lake shore property I have for sale.

The entire fire sale at the trade deadline ordeal feels disingenuous as the front office has not addressed the salary dump aspect (at least from everything I've seen and heard). Falvey's interview on the Friday television broadcast was just stating the Twins haven't played well enough since the start of 2024, tough decisions, and the vast majority of the time he pumped up the new prospects acquired. At least give the fans some credit for having a bit of intelligence. 

It has all the looks to me of just a major salary dump and a move done mainly in spite.  Having read articles from around MLB it was noted that Falvey was told to dump as much salary as possible. This was from mlb insiders .  I think Falvey took it excessively on purpose.  There was no reason to gut guys with team control and making very little salary.  Then to watch his lying smiling face trying to bs his way through thus is a joke.  We all knew that most of the non returning players would be dealt.  But IMO he took it too far.  It was a tear down.  What's left will have us competing only with rockies and white sox for bottom feeder champions.  Remember Falvey put this team together and did such a great job of producing a winning product he had to tear it down.  This is his fault and Baldelli too.  The tear down isn't complete until they are gone

The weaknesses not only remain (slow, weak defenders that cannot run the bases or hit) but they are now arguably worse. The team added prospect pitchers and one A+ ball position player prospect (Tait).

The Twins still need a stronger #1 catcher with Jeffers as the #2 guy. There is not anyone to play first base in the system. There is hope for Keaschall and Kaelen Culpepper to hold down the middle infield and Brooks Lee can be a decent utility player. The book on Royce Lewis is unfinished with Billy Amick a couple of years away (he is not yet a strong defender). The outfield has some potential if both Emmanuel Rodrigues and Walker Jenkins make the leap as every day corner outfielders next year with Buck between them, healthy and productive. Playing Wallner, Larnach, and Roden in the outfield is just hate on the pitchers. These guys and Gonzalez are pure DH's. Gonzalez is improving dramatically at the plate and projects as the most productive if he adds consistent power. Martin can be an effective reserve is used correctly. 

Looking above, it is clear that a rebuild has not really begun at all regarding position players because all of the players who the Twins plan or hope to fill positions were already in the system. The coming offseason will almost certainly result in further trades. The questions/speculations will revolve around the potential of the returns of position players/prospects for any or all of Jeffers, Lopez, Ryan, and Ober. Given how opposing GMs managed to get their player without giving up substantial players from their own organizations, we should be wary of the transactions. While any one deal completed might be seen in a positive light, the direction towards improving the offense, defense, and speed was ignored. The positive outlook on the deadline deals was strictly hoping for future excellence from the pitching additions with the exception of Tait. Watching Tait last night made me think positively that perhaps he and Winokur can arrive at the same time with high hopes for their potential as MLB stars.

Until this coming winter ends and Spring Training begins we won't have any idea of the direction of this franchise. Will the Twins manage to find a Kyle Teel and Braden Montgomery type player/prospect plus in trades? Can Falvey avoid adding more DH style guys? Trading Jeffers and 2 of the 3 starters should plug position player holes. That's the hope for 2026 and beyond. The coming trades are critical for the organization or it will be years before the team climbs above fifth place in the AL Central. 

I would like to see some urgency with the Twins in moving their best minor league players up as quickly as possible.  Culpeper and Jenkins should get whatever is needed in coaching and assistance and need to have a shot at making the big club quicker than the usual Twins cadence.  And I still can't wrap my head around the Varland trade.  It seems so wrong headed.

The only redeeming factor in these trades is that Ryan, Lopez and OBER still remain, but for how long? Lack of offense was the biggest issue this year, and unless the underperforming players like Larnach, Wallner, and Lewis become solid major leaguers, I don’t see an improving offense. Lack of offense means that having a solid nucleus of veteran starters won’t translate to wins. It would not surprise if Lopez gets traded in the offseason because of his contract, and perhaps Ryan and Ober get traded next season at the deadline. And I wonder if Buxton will now want out, instead of being a part of a rebuild. Of course, his long injury history has contributed to the lack of team success in past years. 

2 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

When is a rebuild ever intended to make the following season better?  This article makes absolutely no sense in the context of what just happened.  Next year is going to be about sorting out several new OFers and several SPs when they likely trade at least 2 of the big 3 away this winter.  Of course, they will also start the process of rebuilding the BP but that likely takes shape over a 2-year period.  Some of the numerous SP prospects we have will be converted to RPs over the next couple of years.

The INF will not have as many prospects involved.  The big questions will be when Culpepper arrives and who is auditioned at first base.  

The goal between now and the end of the 2026 will be to solidify as many positions as possible.  Best case scenario is things go really well next year, they pick-up a couple premium MLB ready prospects via trading Lopez/Ryan/Ober and they head into 2027 with a shot at a playoff spot.

 

Totally agree with above.. The trades are about 2027 and therefore building around the next wave. Trading relievers at the deadline is when you have the maximum leverage in a trade.

2 minutes ago, SarasotaBill said:

Totally agree with above.. The trades are about 2027 and therefore building around the next wave. Trading relievers at the deadline is when you have the maximum leverage in a trade.

Most people can get behind that idea. Name one position player acquired who fits as a player in the 2027 lineup? Tait is 3 years away, if for no other reason than to learn catching skills (ETA-2028).

The Twins biggest need is hitters who can hit and hit with men on. So they trade several players to get 8 pitchers and 5 hitters- 2 of which have major league experience but bat left handed- something they have a surplus of right now. Outman can be ok. Roden hasn't done anything yet. I don't like them giving up both Jax and Duran. One yes but not both. But they can sign relievers in the off season. They aren't as super important IF they are good and IF the team has a lead late. They also can be somewhat fickle- though ours have been consistent. I also don't like them giving up Castro who is very versatile and can hit a bit and steal bases. While next year doesn't look good right now, we still have a good starting pitching staff and can get relievers. Batters are another thing. We have potential but guys like Lee and Julien must pick it up and Wallner needs to hit with men on base. 14 homers with 27 RBI (or whatever he has) indicates it's all or nothing with him. But he's young so we'll see. Is he another Dave Kingman?

Sometimes a spade is a spade. The deadline moves weren't as much about returns as dumping contracts. Again, most of this blame falls on ownership.

I qustion the Varland move, but don't have enough data to criticize it. The rest were pretty obvious.

Every word out of Falvey's mouth right now is damage control. Stop looking for reasons.

How many more articles are we going to see putting all of the deadline weight on the FO when we know ownership pushed them into this process?

Feels to me like all the articles are feeding into the "blame the FO" paranoia instead of taking a step back and looking at the situation as a whole. A little balancing might be in order.

3 hours ago, Doctor Wu said:

It's still not clear to me that there was/is a strategy from the front office, other than dumping a lot of salary and trading some expiring contracts. But as Cody says in the article, the biggest surprise was trading away younger players that still had some team control. I know I'm in the minority, but I don't hate most of these trades, except for the very unexpected and unwarranted Varland trade. That one annoys me the most. But unlike many others, I'm not sold on the idea that we are in the midst of a rebuild. Except for a decimated bullpen, we still have the makings of a good team. The core of the team remains relatively intact and our starter rotation now actually looks stronger. We've kept key guys like Buxton and Lewis, and maybe even Lee will finally fulfill his promise. So, I'm not ready to jump ship yet. Bring up some of the young prospects for the rest of this season and let them play. See what you've got. We're not on the verge of making the playoffs, so let's be creative and test some of our young position players and pitchers. The bullpen certainly is now a very weak area, but even on that count I'm not alarmed. I think that's easier to fix than trying to find three new arms for the starting rotation. 

Exactly! Yes they traded their bullpen but every one of those guys were fail d starters that they made into elite relievers. They traded them and got value. The only one that puzzles me is Stewart. My guess is the dodgers seen his medicals and had to revamp the trade. The other question was Varland. Rojas seems like a perfect candidate to be their next bullpen project but then you essentially traded a good reliever for a hopefully good future reliever. All the other deals made sense really when you take emotion out of it. Correa was aging and fast. His numbers and peripherals were looking abysmal going forward. It sucks but they got themselves off the hook for a lot of money and that’s a positive moving forward for this team.

3.5 years is the beginning of 2029.  You think that's the best case scenario for Tait?  He's at A+ now, and it's reasonable to assume AA at midpoint 2026, AAA by 2027, when Jeffers will be gone.  He can get called up that year if things go well.

Also, Twins won't fix Roden, but he might not really need fixing.  His improvement might come naturally, though you'd like to hope he could have handled MLB better.

6 minutes ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

How many more articles are we going to see putting all of the deadline weight on the FO when we know ownership pushed them into this process?

Feels to me like all the articles are feeding into the "blame the FO" paranoia instead of taking a step back and looking at the situation as a whole. A little balancing might be in order.

Exactly! This was destined to happen. It didn’t need to happen now though. The fact that ownership “right sized” this team when they should have been pushing payroll was the problem. They should have pushed for ‘24 and ‘25. Although we might have gotten to this point in ‘26 or ‘27 they should have been making playoff runs the last 2 years and ownership hamstrung the FO. Period. This all falls on ownership. No question. Blaming the FO and specifically Falvey just shows most don’t see the whole picture for what it is and was.

3 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

Playing Wallner, Larnach, and Roden in the outfield is just hate on the pitchers.

Roden is the inverse of Martin. Whereas Martin looks like he should be a good defensive player, he's not. And while Roden doesn't look like much of an athlete he's been pretty competent out in LF and has a good enough arm if a team wanted to play him in RF. 

2 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

Most people can get behind that idea. Name one position player acquired who fits as a player in the 2027 lineup? Tait is 3 years away, if for no other reason than to learn catching skills (ETA-2028).

Roden and Mendez both stand a decent chance. 

38 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

If they continue to refuse to show trust and confidence in players based on age and experience, and don’t let them fail enough to learn to win, we’re just back at the beginning.

This is one of those things repeated here constantly. Who have they failed to let fail? Who exactly are you referring to when you say this? 

2 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

How many more articles are we going to see putting all of the deadline weight on the FO when we know ownership pushed them into this process?

Feels to me like all the articles are feeding into the "blame the FO" paranoia instead of taking a step back and looking at the situation as a whole. A little balancing might be in order.

Forget the front office. And ignore the coaching for a minute too. 

What about the actual players? Is it demoralizing to see the team traded? Sure. But the team was really, really bad for 10 months of play. 

2 hours ago, GNess said:

The argument that non-contending teams "don't need" elite and/or high end controlled RP is dubious at best. Taking the same logic a non-contending team doesn't need elite hitters or great defense at SS because it will be wasted. 

The argument is that its much easier to build a good bullpen at a drop of a hat. And good GMs have proven that to be true. 

Go and look at any good teams bullpen and look at the method they were brought in. I just glanced at SD Padres and only two of their arms was developed internally. One of those was a NDFA. Two were trades. One was waiver. Others were free agents. 

I read that 45 relief pitchers were traded this last week. That's crazy! 

6 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

The young left handers are benched and pinch hit for against left handed pitching WAAAAAY more often than they did under the past FO and managers. The young players get pulled late in games for defensive replacements and pulled for pinch runners WAAAAY more often than they used to. They show next to no trust in these guys. I'm sure Gardenhire and Molitor would get frustrated by the learning curve of young players too, but the frustration didn't let it impact their in-game decisions like it does now. These young guys need these opportunities and they need to know the team and the manger trust them to play in those opportunities.

OK. And my response is who cares? Are they not getting enough playing time to prove themselves? 

Should managers be managing to win games or stroke the fragile egos of players? Are we really here complaining that Trevor Larnach wasn't allowed to strikeout against more lefties in close games? Or that he was pinch run for and substituted? 

Is the argument that Trevor Larnach would be better if he were just allowed to suck more often? 

I'm really struggling to understand the argument man. 

Ps: you didn't mention a single player. Relying on nebulous theory instead. So I'm mentioning Larnach as an example 

Great article. The FO believes a new bullpen can be constructed as well as developed and yes, has confidence to do so. I hated to see Varland traded, too; it was a mistake. Could have been the closer.
 

The one-run losses did the team in this season, so I didn’t see that they were overmatched, but they lost too many of those games without clutch hits. I’d like to think that they could have made a run, but the evidence suggests otherwise.

The FO decided to trust starters and offense as either already getting the job done or salvageable and trade the pen and the one-year guys. It’s a strategy. Time will tell.