Nationals 9, Twins 3: Twins and Ryan Embarrassed by the Nationals at Home

[Doctor Gast]

9 hours ago, Blyleven2011 said:

It was an embarrassing game and i had to step away from watching it ..

I walked outside to brush my dog , only my dog kirby didn't want to be brush , he wanted to chase gophers , I had more fun watching him dart around chasing those gophers than watching the game ....

Somehow , somewhere the nationals found a way to make the adjustments against Ryan and beat him , why can't our hitters find a way to make adjustments  ...

Yesterday  I was driving and tuned the pregame on with Rocco explaining the approach to making adjustments during every at bat  , it was a bunch of BS , if rocco was a used car salesman  , I wouldn't buy a car from him , he is so transparent that he is filled with  BS , he also might be brainwashed by this plan of the management  , he used to play ball and I'm sure he didn't play ball this way   ..  

I really enjoy listening to interviews with intelligent baseball people who know what they are talking about instead of scripted BS from people that have no idea.

[Doctor Gast]

48 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

The Minnesota twins have now turned into the ----

The Minnesota possums  , play dead at home and get killed on the road  ...

It's been a year long blunder dating back to August of last season  ... 

Good one.

[Doctor Gast]

I was all fired up, hoping the Twins would wake up & go on a tear & put some of this trade talk behind us. But no, completely dead, like they have given up. Poor defense & terrible clutch hitting.

[ziggy]

Rocco....."uncrisp game"

I'd call it something else. Here's a hint, it comes out of the south end of a horse walking north.

There have been too many games like that this year.

If he uses that kind of language in the lockerroom no wonder his players don't worry about lollygaging their way down to first, lollygaging the ball around the infield. Do you know what that makes them?

[Mike Sixel]

10 hours ago, TheLeviathan said:

This is the team some people want to keep everyone around and contend with?

Next year too!

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, ziggy said:

Rocco....."uncrisp game"

I'd call it something else. Here's a hint, it comes out of the south end of a horse walking north.

There have been too many games like that this year.

If he uses that kind of language in the lockerroom no wonder his players don't worry about lollygaging their way down to first, lollygaging the ball around the infield. Do you know what that makes them?

Why would you expect him to say stronger language in public? Also, these are professionals, swearing isn't going to fix things..... It's the talent. 

[USAFChief]

16 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Why would you expect him to say stronger language in public? Also, these are professionals, swearing isn't going to fix things..... It's the talent. 

Yes, poor Rocco. He cant possibly be expected to have his team play something better than "uncrisp" against the talent laden Washington Nationals.

 

 

[shimrod]

6 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Also, these are professionals, swearing isn't going to fix things..... It's the talent. 

Even untalented players can play hard and smart. Rocco's group too frequently does neither. 

They aren't always lazy. They don't always play dumb. They may very well spank the Nats today with a sharp, professional outing. The off days, however, occur too often for anyone to consider this team a contender.

It's well past time to see if a different manager can get these guys to play to their potential. As Rocco appears locked in place the next best approach is selling off as many of the players as possible. If we can't have a new voice in the locker room we'll have to settle for a bunch of new ears. 

Most likely they'll do nothing and the team will continue its slide through mediocrity into irrelevance. 

[RpR]

9 hours ago, Wedman13 said:

Yes.   To bottom out and come  back.

LOL, bottomless pits do not bottom out, except in fantasy baseball.

[rdehring]

Many of us want to see the Twins make changes so they can make a run in the playoffs.  And those of my age need that change soon!

I am not close to or smart enough to know the answers.  I just know that what they have been doing for the past however many years ain't working.  So that means they must change what they are doing.

Falvey is in charge.  Can he change and make the moves over the next five days and next winter?  If he can, fine.  If he can't or won't, then he must go.

One of those changes has to be Rocco.  At least in my opinion.  Why?  Anyone who has watched this team over the last week, months and year knows why.

But the biggest change must come from the players.  Some of it has to be a change of attitude.  Some has to be talent. 

Unfortunately, one thing won't change and that is the market the Twins are in.  There are a handful of teams that have the revenue to have obscene payrolls.  The Twins aren't one of them.  Fortunately, no one in their division will outspend them. 

Like their division competition, they cannot commit a quarter of their payroll to one player.  Especially when that player isn't playing at an all-star level.  So when Mr. Falvey continues planning for 2026 and beyond, he must include figuring out how to move C4 and 100% of his salary.  The player(s) they get in return aren't important.  What is important is freeing up $35M of annual payroll. 

Hopefully, there will be a few moves over the coming days that will improve the team in 2026 and 2027.  If not, we can only hope someone will actually buy the team and clean house.  

[Patzky]

38 minutes ago, ziggy said:

Rocco....."uncrisp game"

I'd call it something else. Here's a hint, it comes out of the south end of a horse walking north.

There have been too many games like that this year.

If he uses that kind of language in the lockerroom no wonder his players don't worry about lollygaging their way down to first, lollygaging the ball around the infield. Do you know what that makes them?

'Uncrisp' is for apples. 'Flat' is for beer. 

[NYCTK]

1 hour ago, Whitey333 said:

Why can't they be honest with fans.  We see what's going on. 

Twins commentary crew, without Plouffe, is in the argument for worst in all of baseball. Think it was the Jomboy guys that instantly answered for Twins as the worst just recently. 

And part of the reason is this intense company man schtick. It's nauseating when they're playing poorly. Will always laugh at Cory for how excited he got when the Twins won an ugly extra inning game against the Red Sox late last season. You'd have thought they won the division with his overreaction.

[shimrod]

14 minutes ago, rdehring said:

What is important is freeing up $35M of annual payroll. 

At this point the Twins will need to eat a lot of that money to move him. In my opinion they should.

If they can save $10M/yr while dumping Correa's declining years do it. 

[rdehring]

4 minutes ago, shimrod said:

At this point the Twins will need to eat a lot of that money to move him. In my opinion they should.

If they can save $10M/yr while dumping Correa's declining years do it. 

Remain hopeful there is some GM out there who would take on all or almost all of that contract.  Especially if the return is minimal, say a Hi-A prospect around #30 for some club. 

Is it three years remaining?  Plus, doesn't it begin getting a little smaller over the final two or three years?  And yes, I understand Carlos will have to agree to a trade.

[Wedman13]

19 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

Twins commentary crew, without Plouffe, is in the argument for worst in all of baseball. Think it was the Jomboy guys that instantly answered for Twins as the worst just recently. 

And part of the reason is this intense company man schtick. It's nauseating when they're playing poorly. Will always laugh at Cory for how excited he got when the Twins won an ugly extra inning game against the Red Sox late last season. You'd have thought they won the division with his overreaction.

Agree, Plouffe does a great job.  Enjoy listening to him.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

A managerial change and coaching staff overhaul would do wonders, I think. There is too much talent in this team. I won’t say “anyone” would be better than Rocco, because Tony LaRussa coming out of retirement to manage the White Sox set that organization back 6-8 years (and counting). And not Tingler as “interim” either. But, just about anyone besides that? Yeah probably. 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

34 minutes ago, Patzky said:

'Uncrisp' is for apples. 'Flat' is for beer. 

“Sloppy” is for Joes. 

[Autist75]

39 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

Twins commentary crew, without Plouffe, is in the argument for worst in all of baseball. Think it was the Jomboy guys that instantly answered for Twins as the worst just recently. 

And part of the reason is this intense company man schtick. It's nauseating when they're playing poorly. Will always laugh at Cory for how excited he got when the Twins won an ugly extra inning game against the Red Sox late last season. You'd have thought they won the division with his overreaction.

     Exactly.  Kris Atteberry is a lifeless, emotionless mush mouth who couldn't announce his way out of a wet paper bag.  And Dan Gladden needs to retire already!

     Where is Herb Carneal when you need him?

[Aggies7]

I think I actually hate this team. I waver between apathy and hatred. There isn’t much I enjoy about the whole lot of them and I’ve seen a lot of teams in the 30+ years I’ve watched

[Hubie29]

9 hours ago, knothole61 said:

What an awful game.

Although I hated it at the time, I had no idea that the second inning, in-dugout interview of Zebby Matthews, during which the nearly 30 year-old Chris Paddack incessantly bombarded him with sunflower seeds, would mark the high point of the Twins' efforts on the night...but it did!

Don't you love those childish games by adults? Immature in the dugout, immature on the field. Act like a professional. 

[NYCTK]

7 minutes ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

There is too much talent in this team.

I just fundamentally disagree with this comment, a comment repeated a lot around here. 

It was obvious this team didn't have the talent ever since Sonny Gray left. That 2023 team was pretty good and they haven't replaced the talent that has departed. Some swaps were fine, Solano with Santana or France (meh) Taylor with Bader. But then Gray was replaced with Woods Richardson, Polanco replaced with Brooks Lee, Kepler replaced with...DaShawn? They counted on their internal options to all make steps forward and almost none of them did. 

This team isn't nearly talented enough. Falvey is more at fault than Rocco. But both should be **** canned. 

[Patzky]

12 minutes ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

A managerial change and coaching staff overhaul would do wonders, I think. There is too much talent in this team. I won’t say “anyone” would be better than Rocco, because Tony LaRussa coming out of retirement to manage the White Sox set that organization back 6-8 years (and counting). And not Tingler as “interim” either. But, just about anyone besides that? Yeah probably. 

Pierzynski the low hanging fruit. Snitker is probably gonna go.. but ATL levies the same complaints against him that we hear here (hear hear.) Robin Ventura?

[Patzky]

15 minutes ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

“Sloppy” is for Joes. 

'Lightning' is for Funder. (Negative polarity)

[Bob Twins Fan Since 61]

12 hours ago, USAFChief said:

As to this game, in a season filled with lowlights, tonight is a contender for lowest.

Dismal ABs, clownish defense, all the energy and enthusiasm of a wake, 

 

Yeah, I attended the game.  Boo!

[DJL44]

34 minutes ago, shimrod said:

At this point the Twins will need to eat a lot of that money to move him. In my opinion they should.

If they can save $10M/yr while dumping Correa's declining years do it. 

They should be more than willing to eat $15M of the remaining $115M. That's essentially what they'll do just by paying him the rest of the season to play for a non-contender.

Correa is playing like a $10M player while drawing a $32M salary 2026-28. Ironically, that makes him more valuable in trade as time passes. Today he has a value of -$60M, next season at the deadline it will only be -$40M. By the end of 2028 they should be able to trade him for a prospect.

[Hubie29]

10 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

I think I actually hate this team. I waver between apathy and hatred. There isn’t much I enjoy about the whole lot of them and I’ve seen a lot of teams in the 30+ years I’ve watched

I feel ya. I actually enjoy the losses more then the wins. I want to see Rocco completely look like an idiot. 

[Hubie29]

10 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

I just fundamentally disagree with this comment, a comment repeated a lot around here. 

It was obvious this team didn't have the talent ever since Sonny Gray left. That 2023 team was pretty good and they haven't replaced the talent that has departed. Some swaps were fine, Solano with Santana or France (meh) Taylor with Bader. But then Gray was replaced with Woods Richardson, Polanco replaced with Brooks Lee, Kepler replaced with...DaShawn? They counted on their internal options to all make steps forward and almost none of them did. 

This team isn't nearly talented enough. Falvey is more at fault than Rocco. But both should be **** canned. 

Couldn't agree more. Tired of hearing how much talent we have. What a complete joke. 

[AKTwinsFan]

Seems like when we were getting runs we had Larnach and France in there getting hits. Then Baldelli put a stop to that just like he does with every hot player. If we had better owners and front office hed been gone after last season. 

[Aggies7]

14 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

I just fundamentally disagree with this comment, a comment repeated a lot around here. 

It was obvious this team didn't have the talent ever since Sonny Gray left. That 2023 team was pretty good and they haven't replaced the talent that has departed. Some swaps were fine, Solano with Santana or France (meh) Taylor with Bader. But then Gray was replaced with Woods Richardson, Polanco replaced with Brooks Lee, Kepler replaced with...DaShawn? They counted on their internal options to all make steps forward and almost none of them did. 

This team isn't nearly talented enough. Falvey is more at fault than Rocco. But both should be **** canned. 

I agree with this sentiment but you should see how the Phillies fans feel about Kepler these days lol

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

39 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

I just fundamentally disagree with this comment, a comment repeated a lot around here. 

We can disagree! 

Look more at the raw baseball talent than the actual results. There is a failure of coaching, clubhouse business, and whatever else that isnt getting the players to realize their potential. Bad teams with bad players and bad pitching staffs do not rattle off a dozen consecutive wins like the Twins did. (Granted, a bad team might get to half a dozen wins once or twice.) A player with no raw talent does not somehow luck his way into a streak of 12 straight hits, like Jose Miranda did in 2024.

anyway, that’s my point.