3 Potential Twins Trades for Marlins Starter Jesús Luzardo

[Major League Ready]

22 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

If getting the best young ready position player in a 1 for 1 deal is the Marlins goal, the only player the Twins have with a BTV value of Pasquantino is Lewis. The others are about 20% below his value. Of course it depends on the Marlins view but I assume it is very favorable of Pasquantino. If Julien is the best 1 for 1 the Twins have to offer, I think many teams can beat that deal starting with the Yankees and Volpe.

IDK Volpe would be that attractive to the marlins.  They are looking for offense.  Volpe had a wRC+ of 84.  Julien's was 136.  Julien was the grossly superior offense player last year.  Perhaps the people making these decisions believe he will rebound offensively.  Volpe has 1.9 WAR playing 159 games.  Julien 2.8 in 109 games.  Of course, the Marlins are looking for a SS which makes Volpe a better fit in terms of position but he probably would not improve their offense.

[JD-TWINS]

20 hours ago, SteveLV said:

Does Julien, ERod, Vasquez, Gordon and Sands get you Luzardo and Alcantara?  Marlins save money, Twins take the huge risk on Alcantara.

Man, it would be so much fun to be the fly on the wall and listen in on trade offers and negotiations!

I was hoping these 5 guys would get just Luzardo - he’s worth it for 3 seasons!

[JD-TWINS]

16 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

For those unaware, Ely runs Fish On First, the Marlins equivalent of Twins Daily. 

Let’s make Ely more comfortable! A couple 2023 ERA’s here to digest:

Luzardo #18 - 3.58……..our P. López #23 - 3.66 ……..Seattle trade target L. Gilbert #25 - 3.73

Mike Clevinger - 131 innings - 3.77 ERA …..this should be the TWINS target for a 2 year deal!

[Trov]

The first 2 trades would be a big risk.  Giving up your young controllable talent for 1 pitcher is always a risk.  Even more so because we gave up a lot of our depth the last few years for pitching.  We were fine giving up Arraez last year knowing we had Julien and Lee in the wings to fill in sooner or later.  We were fine dealing away Steer and CES for similar reason.  However, now if we dealt either Lee or Julien our depth really thins out and if either get injured, or just not continue to develop as we hope we have no real back up plan.  E-Rod or Wallner are not as much of issue to replace, but we had a ton of depth of 2nd/3rd base guys over last couple years, now we have much less depth.  However, he is a good pitcher, but we never know if it is time for an injury for him. 

[Riverbrian]

34 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

If getting the best young ready position player in a 1 for 1 deal is the Marlins goal, the only player the Twins have with a BTV value of Pasquantino is Lewis. The others are about 20% below his value. Of course it depends on the Marlins view but I assume it is very favorable of Pasquantino. If Julien is the best 1 for 1 the Twins have to offer, I think many teams can beat that deal starting with the Yankees and Volpe.

Don't get me wrong... I am very very happy with Lopez but giving up Arraez was very painful for me. 

Arraez was at least a 4 and maybe a 5 for me. 

Trading Lewis would be at least a 7 maybe 8 on the pain scale. I think you pass out when the pain reaches a 10. 

Don't do it... it would hurt to much. OK... on second thought...  wait... Umm... Lewis seems to get injured easy... He probably has his own face icon on the scale. So maybe but... umm... Wait... pitchers in general get injured easy.

OK... Don't do it. Lewis is untouchable... We need offense more than pitching in my opinion.   

 

[nicksaviking]

8 hours ago, Historyking88 said:

There’s no way the Twins are trading Lee or Jeffers. The only option that makes sense is option 2. If you trade Julien then Lee steps in as your new 2B. 

I don't think they're trading Jeffers.

I bet Lee is very much on the table though.

[nicksaviking]

48 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

If getting the best young ready position player in a 1 for 1 deal is the Marlins goal, the only player the Twins have with a BTV value of Pasquantino is Lewis. The others are about 20% below his value. Of course it depends on the Marlins view but I assume it is very favorable of Pasquantino. If Julien is the best 1 for 1 the Twins have to offer, I think many teams can beat that deal starting with the Yankees and Volpe.

Framing it as it has to be a 1 for 1 deal feels pretty wrong. There's next to no chance the Marlins were looking to deal Luzardo for Pasquantino straight up.

Also, BTV can say what it wants, Pasquantino is a 1B/DH with modest power; he's not that great.

[Riverbrian]

11 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Framing it as it has to be a 1 for 1 deal feels pretty wrong. There's next to no chance the Marlins were looking to deal Luzardo for Pasquantino straight up.

Also, BTV can say what it wants, Pasquantino is a 1B/DH with modest power; he's not that great.

122 OPS Plus - 11% K Rate over his first 500 Major League AB's.  

I think he's going to be a pain in our side for years to come. 

[chpettit19]

1 hour ago, jorgenswest said:

I agree about Jenkins. I would do the Julien deal also but I don’t think it is enough. Someone will offer a better player that isn’t a platoon player. I don’t think it can be fixed by adding marginal players to go with Julien. 

Entirely possible. I'm just going off the idea that the reported deal that KC reportedly turned down was pretty much a 1 for 1 swap of Luzardo for Pasquantino. Maybe there were some marginal prospects thrown in somewhere, but if the deal included another big name person I think the reports would've indicated that. If the deal really was basically a 1 for 1 swap of those 2 players I think Julien and marginal players is absolutely enough.

The question is whether or not that was truly the deal that was discussed, and, more importantly, the Marlins were willing to accept. It sounds like a light return for Luzardo to me, but I can also understand if the Marlins are looking for a young hitter with MLB experience, 130 OPS+ upside, and lots of control. Pasquantino and Julien both fit that mold so it may not be that far off if that's really what the Marlins are looking for. Even if I think it sounds a little light. 3 years of Luzardo vs 6 years of Julien isn't that ridiculous.

[Reptevia]

I don’t see Marlins accepting any of these offers. They will get much better offers from other teams. 

[Doctor Gast]

On 12/18/2023 at 11:51 AM, Riverbrian said:

Luzardo speculation is running amok.

Is it running amok because of the reported Luzardo/Pasquintino rumor that didn't happen? 

The Marlins made the playoffs last year with a young roster. They don't need to sell the top of their roster. 

However, even if they decided to sell Luzardo... why would they dilute the talent level of what you acquire by getting multiple players back. 

If you were the Marlins... Wouldn't you go big and try to get one off the charts offensive player. 

Such as Pasquintino or Jordan Walker or Tristan Casas.

If I was the Marlins... I'm not screwing around here with packages. .    

 

 

IMO this is like Reds with Castillo, they dangled him around for a couple of years to get buyers for their other pitchers. Luzardo isn't going anywhere.

[TopGunn#22]

If I operate under the assumption that Miami was willing to trade Luzardo, a 26 year old LH starting pitcher with 3 years of team control, even up for Pasquantino (.832 OPS in 2023)I know the Twins can beat that deal.  Julien (.839 OPS) is as good if not a better hitter than Vinnie and he plays a more difficult position.  And Julien is 2 years younger than Vinnie.  If I traded Julien, I'd be fine with Polanco to begin the season at 2B and when Brooks Lee is ready I can always trade Polanco at the deadline.  Maybe Jorge is having a great season, nothing says I can't keep him for 2025 !  

The Marlins need a catcher.  If I could deal Jeffers one for one to Miami for Luzardo I do it in a heart beat.  We have two more years of Vasquez who will bounce back "somewhat" offensively this coming season.  I can live with a catching tandem of Vasquez/Camargo if it puts Luzardo #2 in our rotation.  Having a catcher that can hit is a luxury for most teams.  I'd love to see Jeffers carry that hitting stroke forward.  But if I can leverage him for Luzardo?  Hello, Jair Camargo!!  

I do not believe there is any truth to the Vinnie for Luzardo possible one for one deal.  But if there is, I'm calling the Marlins and I'm going to be a pain in the tush until I get a deal done.  A LH starting pitcher, 26 years old, team control for THREE YEARS.  Yup.  I'm on board with that.  

[Hashim]

On 12/18/2023 at 11:25 AM, Ely Sussman said:

Marlins correspondent here!

Every Luzardo trade scenario is pretty deflating, although I recognize this figures to be the peak of his value, so it’s unsurprising that Miami is considering it. Trade #1 would be the easiest to stomach. Passing on Lee in the draft was such an unforced error.

Thanks for the insight. What are the Marlins interested in? What positions are they in need of most? We have a plethora of veteran options to trade in OF, 1B, SS/2B, C, and a bevy of young talent too. Some suggested the Marlins are interested in Catcher, SS, 1B, is that accurate?

[Hashim]

On 12/18/2023 at 2:19 PM, ValleySpringsFan said:

If Miami is fixed on getting a SS and a C in return, then the Twins may be out of luck. They don't have talent to spare at those positions. But if the Pasquantino rumor is true, then Julien and Kepler would not be a bad offer. I think Polanco has at least 3 more good years. Twins need to keep him. And Julien's value is at its peak right now.

I would happly trade Jeffers and Vazquez to get Lazurado. Jeffers was good in the regular season but atrocious in the playoffs. Lets cash in while his value is high. 

[Hashim]

23 hours ago, TopGunn#22 said:

If I operate under the assumption that Miami was willing to trade Luzardo, a 26 year old LH starting pitcher with 3 years of team control, even up for Pasquantino (.832 OPS in 2023)I know the Twins can beat that deal.  Julien (.839 OPS) is as good if not a better hitter than Vinnie and he plays a more difficult position.  And Julien is 2 years younger than Vinnie.  If I traded Julien, I'd be fine with Polanco to begin the season at 2B and when Brooks Lee is ready I can always trade Polanco at the deadline.  Maybe Jorge is having a great season, nothing says I can't keep him for 2025 !  

The Marlins need a catcher.  If I could deal Jeffers one for one to Miami for Luzardo I do it in a heart beat.  We have two more years of Vasquez who will bounce back "somewhat" offensively this coming season.  I can live with a catching tandem of Vasquez/Camargo if it puts Luzardo #2 in our rotation.  Having a catcher that can hit is a luxury for most teams.  I'd love to see Jeffers carry that hitting stroke forward.  But if I can leverage him for Luzardo?  Hello, Jair Camargo!!  

I do not believe there is any truth to the Vinnie for Luzardo possible one for one deal.  But if there is, I'm calling the Marlins and I'm going to be a pain in the tush until I get a deal done.  A LH starting pitcher, 26 years old, team control for THREE YEARS.  Yup.  I'm on board with that.  

Absolutely agreed. I would trade Julien and Jeffers but not Lee, Rodriguez, Lewis, or Jenkins. We'd be stupid to clear the farm for Jesus, a #2 starter. 

[Captian Hook]

The Twins should trade Christian Vasquez, Trevor Larnach and Kyle Farmer to the Marlins for Jesus Luzardo and Luis Arraez plus a AA prospect.  I am sure the Marlins will jump all over that trade proposal.