Trade Deadline Tracker: Twins' News and Rumor Roundup

[Mike Sixel]

2 hours ago, dex8425 said:

Mike, would you take Gore for Berrios, straight up? I doubt the Padres do it but I'd take that deal in a second. 

No way. He hasn't thrown a strike since 2019.......no chance. Zero. 

[jmlease1]

I think the Twins FO is screwed.

If they make a deal for Berrios, they're going to get buried for "giving up on 2022" and will likely get pilloried by the fan base for not getting enough, because there won't be a proven MLB player in the batch.

If they don't make a deal for Berrios, they're going to get buried by the fanbase for not getting something for him while getting destroyed for not locking him up to a long-term deal (with the usual cascade of "the Pohlads are cheap" cries).

Because this season has gone so poorly with expectations being fairly high, you have a lot of loud voices who no longer have any faith or trust in them, and I really am starting to think there's nothing that will satisfy, absent a trade screw-job so monumental it'll make Larry Anderson for Jeff Bagwell look even.

It's interesting how fast things can turn here.

[Mark G]

1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

I don't see your point. You haven't made one. You compared the trade deadline to a test. They aren't comparable things. A test is an individual activity that has only 1 possible answer to each question. The trade deadline is an interaction between dozens of people with moving parts and human dynamics. So if you have a reason to believe that getting closer to the deadline equals worse prospect returns for selling teams I'd love to hear it as perhaps I'm mistaken in my belief and I'm always looking to gain more knowledge. But so far I've provided multiple reasons why I take the stance I do and you've provided a picture of a horse that compares 2 things that aren't comparable.

To be honest, I don't get the point of the horse.  And you are correct in your description of what a trade deadline is and who it involves, but it is a form of a test at the same time; a test of the FO's ability to use the assets it has to improve the team via trades, buying and/or selling.  Or not making trades just to make them, which is a lot harder to grade since they seldom talk about the trades that were never made.  We will only know the right answers years after the test is taken in this case, and it will be a subjective, not an objective scoring system. 

And I would agree with every point you made prior to the horse.  I'm going to have to ponder awhile on the horse. 

[gunnarthor]

 

[Mike Sixel]

I know teams don't trade top prospects anymore, but if you don't get Jeter Downs, I have no interest in sending Berrios to the Red Sox. None.

[KnoblauchWasFramed]

Here's what's going to end up happening today;

 

Padres gets:

SP Jose Berrios

OF/1B Matt Wallner (#13)

1B Miguel Sano (1yr/$9.25m)

(Maybe $5m in cash for Hosmer contract??)

 

Twins get:

SP Ryan Weathers (#1)

SP MacKenzie Gore (#5)

LHP Jagger Haynes (#17)

1B Eric Hosmer (1yr/$21m)

 

The Padres get their #2 for 1.5 years behind Darvish as Paddack and Snell have ERA's over 5.00 and have showed signs of improvement but the clock is ticking and the Padres are 5 games back of the Giants.  Berrios immediately pushes them back to favorites in the NL West and there is a very good chance they could look to sign Berrios long term just as the Darvish contract is coming to an end.  And they get to unload a majority of the Hosmer contract for 2022 while taking Sano back to take his place in the lineup for the rest of the season.  If the Padres want a pay off for all of the moves they made and the money they have spent to get past the Dodgers, the prospects should be worth it to them since they are young and have tons of other pitchers in their Top 20.  Wallner is a throw in that could maybe help out their 1B spot within 2 years.  

 

The Twins get Weathers who could literally slide in behind Maeda tomorrow and could easily hold down that spot for the next 5 years, and bonus, he's left handed and meets the Pre-Arb requirement the Twins had.  And in Gore, the Twins get another LHP who could push for the #1 spot as soon as next year.  Haynes is 18 years old and in the Rookie and is added in for taking Hosmer off the Padres books.  But he is a lottery ticket with Weathers and Gore being the score in this deal.  

 

Discuss??

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, KnoblauchWasFramed said:

Here's what's going to end up happening today;

 

Padres gets:

SP Jose Berrios

OF/1B Matt Wallner (#13)

1B Miguel Sano (1yr/$9.25m)

(Maybe $5m in cash for Hosmer contract??)

 

Twins get:

SP Ryan Weathers (#1)

SP MacKenzie Gore (#5)

LHP Jagger Haynes (#17)

1B Eric Hosmer (1yr/$21m)

 

The Padres get their #2 for 1.5 years behind Darvish as Paddack and Snell have ERA's over 5.00 and have showed signs of improvement but the clock is ticking and the Padres are 5 games back of the Giants.  Berrios immediately pushes them back to favorites in the NL West and there is a very good chance they could look to sign Berrios long term just as the Darvish contract is coming to an end.  And they get to unload a majority of the Hosmer contract for 2022 while taking Sano back to take his place in the lineup for the rest of the season.  If the Padres want a pay off for all of the moves they made and the money they have spent to get past the Dodgers, the prospects should be worth it to them since they are young and have tons of other pitchers in their Top 20.  Wallner is a throw in that could maybe help out their 1B spot within 2 years.  

 

The Twins get Weathers who could literally slide in behind Maeda tomorrow and could easily hold down that spot for the next 5 years, and bonus, he's left handed and meets the Pre-Arb requirement the Twins had.  And in Gore, the Twins get another LHP who could push for the #1 spot as soon as next year.  Haynes is 18 years old and in the Rookie and is added in for taking Hosmer off the Padres books.  But he is a lottery ticket with Weathers and Gore being the score in this deal.  

 

Discuss??

That would shock me. Teams just don't deal their top prospects anymore, let alone two of them. I'd 100% do that deal if I was the Twins, which makes me think it is even less likely to happen......

I wanted Gore in that draft, but he can't throw strikes right now, so he's probably not really #5 in that system at this point......he's the ultimate high risk / high reward guy.....

[LA Vikes Fan]

1 hour ago, Mark G said:

 

I say this a little tongue in cheek..........maybe.......; I would agree with everything you just said if the team were also going to lower prices across the board to AAA levels while we watch what would  essentially be early spring training tryout games with minor league players.  I guess I always thought that was what winter ball and spring training was for, but I could go with you for minor league prices.   Again, somewhat tongue in cheek, if I wanted to see the Saints play I would go watch the Saints play. 

Don't get me wrong, I get what you are saying, and it may have to be, but we shouldn't sugar coat it and pretend it is the same; only the names have been changed to protect the worthless.  Throw the fans a bone for your incompetence and maybe we won't give up. 

I hear you. It's a lot easier for me to say what I think the Twins should do from here in LA where I can watch the dodgers and Angels, and not have to pay MLB prices to watch the twins throw Ober, Barnes and Jax in a 3 game series. I agree that the Twins should run deals, promotions, etc. to help ease the pain of watching a re-tooling/evaluating team. Doesn't help you if you bought season tickets but that's the risk you take. trust me, I'm in season ticket groups for the Kings, Dodgers, Lakers and Chargers so I'm very familiar with going to games where you keep asking "who is that guy again?" while having the joy of paying full price for the tickets. 

Rumor has it that the Twins FO actually monitors this board and that there is someone on the board who actually works for the team,. Shows what a great job our moderators do. If there is, let me add to my long 6 point post sent at at about 9 a.m. LA time:

7. Discount all but the best seats so fans can bring their families, get decent seats, hot dogs and a coke and spend $100 or less for 4. The rest of this year is about evaluating players. Don't make the fans pay full price to watch that. You will make more money long term if you treat the fans like adults with a stake in the team. Have Jim Pohlad go on TV flanked by Falvey and Levine, announce the team's longer term plans, and say we're reducing 2021 prices so the fans can come out for the rest of the year and get to know the 2022 team.  Give season ticket holders a 10% discount on next year if they buy or renew in the next 30 days. Get the fans invested and you'll make it back and then some next year.   

 

[Mark G]

12 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

I hear you. It's a lot easier for me to say what I think the Twins should do from here in LA where I can watch the dodgers and Angels, and not have to pay MLB prices to watch the twins throw Ober, Barnes and Jax in a 3 game series. I agree that the Twins should run deals, promotions, etc. to help ease the pain of watching a re-tooling/evaluating team. Doesn't help you if you bought season tickets but that's the risk you take. trust me, I'm in season ticket groups for the Kings, Dodgers, Lakers and Chargers so I'm very familiar with going to games where you keep asking "who is that guy again?" while having the joy of paying full price for the tickets. 

Rumor has it that the Twins FO actually monitors this board and that there is someone on the board who actually works for the team,. Shows what a great job our moderators do. If there is, let me add to my long 6 point post sent at at about 9 a.m. LA time:

7. Discount all but the best seats so fans can bring their families, get decent seats, hot dogs and a coke and spend $100 or less for 4. The rest of this year is about evaluating players. Don't make the fans pay full price to watch that. You will make more money long term if you treat the fans like adults with a stake in the team. Have Jim Pohlad go on TV flanked by Falvey and Levine, announce the team's longer term plans, and say we're reducing 2021 prices so the fans can come out for the rest of the year and get to know the 2022 team.  Give season ticket holders a 10% discount on next year if they buy or renew in the next 30 days. Get the fans invested and you'll make it back and then some next year.   

 

Oh, how I wish you were in our FO.   

[chpettit19]

29 minutes ago, KnoblauchWasFramed said:

Here's what's going to end up happening today;

 

Padres gets:

SP Jose Berrios

OF/1B Matt Wallner (#13)

1B Miguel Sano (1yr/$9.25m)

(Maybe $5m in cash for Hosmer contract??)

 

Twins get:

SP Ryan Weathers (#1)

SP MacKenzie Gore (#5)

LHP Jagger Haynes (#17)

1B Eric Hosmer (1yr/$21m)

 

The Padres get their #2 for 1.5 years behind Darvish as Paddack and Snell have ERA's over 5.00 and have showed signs of improvement but the clock is ticking and the Padres are 5 games back of the Giants.  Berrios immediately pushes them back to favorites in the NL West and there is a very good chance they could look to sign Berrios long term just as the Darvish contract is coming to an end.  And they get to unload a majority of the Hosmer contract for 2022 while taking Sano back to take his place in the lineup for the rest of the season.  If the Padres want a pay off for all of the moves they made and the money they have spent to get past the Dodgers, the prospects should be worth it to them since they are young and have tons of other pitchers in their Top 20.  Wallner is a throw in that could maybe help out their 1B spot within 2 years.  

 

The Twins get Weathers who could literally slide in behind Maeda tomorrow and could easily hold down that spot for the next 5 years, and bonus, he's left handed and meets the Pre-Arb requirement the Twins had.  And in Gore, the Twins get another LHP who could push for the #1 spot as soon as next year.  Haynes is 18 years old and in the Rookie and is added in for taking Hosmer off the Padres books.  But he is a lottery ticket with Weathers and Gore being the score in this deal.  

 

Discuss??

I like it. Can't imagine the Padres are giving up Weathers at this point, though. If Snell and Paddack were pitching better I think this is a deal that could maybe get done, but Weathers would start a playoff game over either of those 2 right now so can't imagine they'll deal him. Perhaps Paddack instead of Weathers coming back to MN?

[gunnarthor]

Sounds like Berrios will get moved after teams lose out on Scherzer

 

[Mike Sixel]

Zero of BA's top 100 prospects have been traded so far.....teams hoard top guys. HOARD them. The world is a different place than it was....

I think the Twins get 1 top 100 guy and 2 guys in the next 50-100 for Berrios (from the Dodgers or Sea or Tor)

[bighat]

Mariners are apparently in the conversation on Berrios. From MLBTradeRumors:

MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets that the Mariners have been pursuing a Berrios acquisition this week, with the Twins focusing on one of Seattle’s top pitching prospects (Emerson Hancock or George Kirby) as part of a multi-player return. The two sides aren’t close to a deal, Morosi adds. Both Hancock (2020) and Kirby (2019) were first-round picks in recent Mariners drafts and have pitched at Class-A Advanced this year. Both players have missed time with shoulder fatigue this year, but Hancock returned this week and Kirby is expected back within the next couple of weeks, Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times tweeted a couple days ago.

My thoughts: Big yikes. A high single-A pitcher with shoulder fatigue is not a very good return for the Twins.

[gunnarthor]

8 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Zero of BA's top 100 prospects have been traded so far.....teams hoard top guys. HOARD them. The world is a different place than it was....

I think the Twins get 1 top 100 guy and 2 guys in the next 50-100 for Berrios (from the Dodgers or Sea or Tor)

That sounds about right.

[Steve71]

I like Berrios and Rogers to the Dodgers for Gray and May.

We take the TJS risk on May, and they have to wait a couple weeks for Rogers to heal his finger.

They get reliable pitching, we get two young studs, one off of TJS.  I would also ask for a lottery ticket A level prospect, but those are the essential ingredients for the deal.

[LA Vikes Fan]

I don't think the Dodgers will trade May. Probably not on the list of possible outcomes. 

How about Berrios and either Robles or, if we have to, Duffy to the Dodgers for Tony Gonsolin, Gavin Lux and either Josiah Gray or  Ryan Pepiot? They get starting and bullpen help, we get a mid to back rotation guy in Gonsolin, our starting SS for the next few years, and a potential top end starter.  

[gunnarthor]

Padres seem more in on Berrios than others but the Twins have had calls on Pineda and Maeda as well.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/jose-berrios-trade-rumors-twins-mariners-mets.html

[ashbury]

25 minutes ago, Steve71 said:

I like Berrios and Rogers to the Dodgers for Gray and May.

We take the TJS risk on May, and they have to wait a couple weeks for Rogers to heal his finger.

They get reliable pitching, we get two young studs, one off of TJS.  I would also ask for a lottery ticket A level prospect, but those are the essential ingredients for the deal.

I have a feeling a lottery ticket player at minimum goes the other direction, if indeed the Dodgers don't balk at their two headliners entirely.

[LA Vikes Fan]

Guys, I live in LA and follow the Dodgers. Very unlikely that hey trade Dustin May. they see him as a future #1 or #2 with several years before free agency. Next year, they see Buhler and May as the 2 of the top 3 in the rotation assuming Kershaw stays (now that Bauer has imploded). Buhler is signed through 2022, and starts arb in 2023 with free agency in 2025. Dustin May doesn't even hit arbitration until 2023 and free agency in 2026. Very hard to give that up. I may be wrong, but I think that Berrios and Rogers or Duffy isn't going to be close to enough.  Probably should focus on someone else on a deal with the Dodgers. 

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

Guys, I live in LA and follow the Dodgers. Very unlikely that hey trade Dustin May. they see him as a future #1 or #2 with several years before free agency. Next year, they see Buhler and May as the 2 of the top 3 in the rotation assuming Kershaw stays (now that Bauer has imploded). Buhler is signed through 2022, and starts arb in 2023 with free agency in 2025. Dustin May doesn't even hit arbitration until 2023 and free agency in 2026. Very hard to give that up. I may be wrong, but I think that Berrios and Rogers or Duffy isn't going to be close to enough.  Probably should focus on someone else on a deal with the Dodgers. 

100% this. As I said in the preview thread for them, LA is loaded with guys in the 45-50 scouting grade range, the Twins should get 2 of those and another guy for Berrios. Teams just DON'T deal their best young players anymore. 

[Steve Lein]

1 hour ago, KnoblauchWasFramed said:

Here's what's going to end up happening today;

 

Padres gets:

SP Jose Berrios

OF/1B Matt Wallner (#13)

1B Miguel Sano (1yr/$9.25m)

(Maybe $5m in cash for Hosmer contract??)

 

Twins get:

SP Ryan Weathers (#1)

SP MacKenzie Gore (#5)

LHP Jagger Haynes (#17)

1B Eric Hosmer (1yr/$21m)

 

The Padres get their #2 for 1.5 years behind Darvish as Paddack and Snell have ERA's over 5.00 and have showed signs of improvement but the clock is ticking and the Padres are 5 games back of the Giants.  Berrios immediately pushes them back to favorites in the NL West and there is a very good chance they could look to sign Berrios long term just as the Darvish contract is coming to an end.  And they get to unload a majority of the Hosmer contract for 2022 while taking Sano back to take his place in the lineup for the rest of the season.  If the Padres want a pay off for all of the moves they made and the money they have spent to get past the Dodgers, the prospects should be worth it to them since they are young and have tons of other pitchers in their Top 20.  Wallner is a throw in that could maybe help out their 1B spot within 2 years.  

 

The Twins get Weathers who could literally slide in behind Maeda tomorrow and could easily hold down that spot for the next 5 years, and bonus, he's left handed and meets the Pre-Arb requirement the Twins had.  And in Gore, the Twins get another LHP who could push for the #1 spot as soon as next year.  Haynes is 18 years old and in the Rookie and is added in for taking Hosmer off the Padres books.  But he is a lottery ticket with Weathers and Gore being the score in this deal.  

 

Discuss??

If Hosmer's contract is coming to the Twins, C.J. Abrams needs to be the headliner prospect, IMO. Weathers has been very good, but having Hosmer in there basically removes any value for the Twins. Gore also is a major risk, he's not been right since 2019 and currently isn't even playing because he's been so bad and out of whack.

(Note: I do not think the Padres would trade Abrams or Weathers)

Edited July 29, 2021 by Steve Lein

[gunnarthor]

 

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, gunnarthor said:

 

Great leak by the Twins' FO......let's hope everyone believes it.

https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/2021-in-season-prospect-list/summary?sort=-1,1&team=sdp

[USAFChief]

11 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

100% this. As I said in the preview thread for them, LA is loaded with guys in the 45-50 scouting grade range, the Twins should get 2 of those and another guy for Berrios. Teams just DON'T deal their best young players anymore. 

Then don't trade. They can get that return next July. 

 

 

[LewFordLives]

3 hours ago, Dodecahedron said:

Am not sure I agree with the point being made, but that picture sure made me laugh.

[twinstalker]

I think the trades so far are indications the Twins want far more than teams are willing to give.  If the Twins ask the Yankees for Peraza+ for Kepler, why would they do that when they can give up nothing for Gallo?  You better have an excellent scouting/analytic group if you're sellers these days, and I suspect the Twins have neither.  Their analytics team is seemingly duped by the fallacy of correlation.

[Mike Sixel]

6 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Then don't trade. They can get that return next July. 

 

 

I think that's a fair stance, actually.....I don't agree, but I'm guessing there that they can't get that.

I just think people don't realize how teams just don't deal top prospects anymore. Way too valuable.

[gunnarthor]

The rumors keep coming

 

[Mike Sixel]

I'll be disappointed if they deal both Maeda and Berrios. Very.

I'll be most disappointed if they don't deal the expiring contract of Pineda.

[Steve Lein]

15 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

Guys, I live in LA and follow the Dodgers. Very unlikely that hey trade Dustin May. they see him as a future #1 or #2 with several years before free agency. Next year, they see Buhler and May as the 2 of the top 3 in the rotation assuming Kershaw stays (now that Bauer has imploded). Buhler is signed through 2022, and starts arb in 2023 with free agency in 2025. Dustin May doesn't even hit arbitration until 2023 and free agency in 2026. Very hard to give that up. I may be wrong, but I think that Berrios and Rogers or Duffy isn't going to be close to enough.  Probably should focus on someone else on a deal with the Dodgers. 

I don't think I'd feel bad about a Gavin Lux, Josiah Gray, and other pitching lotto ticket return. Is that too much for a Dodgers fan? (for Berrios/Rogers)