Game Thread Twins @ Indians 9/15/19 12:10 PM CDT

[LVTwinsfan]

thanks for calling me invalid. i appreciate that.

smile, your teams in first place, are they perfect? No but who is

[yarnivek1972]

And there was a hit right to where a second baseman would be, but the shift to the right side, a shift that is supposed to make it even harder to get a hit to the right side..... but it even makes that a play that couldn't be made.

My guess is that in both instances where a shift “allowed” a base hit the pitcher missed his spot. For the shift to work, the pitcher has to properly execute the pitch. Bottom line is that shifting prevents FAR fewer hits than it allows or teams wouldn’t be doing them.

[yarnivek1972]

maybe they'll win it in the ninth. and maybe there's a logical explanation. but if you get a two-run lead on the one team chasing you -- and there are only 12 outs to go -- you move in for the kill. you don't put out the call to aaa followed by a guy with inflammatory bowel condition.

You also probably don’t bring in one of three guys that threw 25 plus pitches yesterday. That would be Rogers, May and Duffey.

[IndyTwinsFan]

Fortunately, this wasn't a must-win game. The relief pitching and defense clearly didn't treat it as such.

[Nine of twelve]

 

thanks for calling me invalid. i appreciate that.

I'm not a moderator but I'll say that you were not called invalid. Your opinion may have been called invalid (and I'm not taking sides on that) but you yourself were not.

[howeda7]

 

You also probably don’t bring in one of three guys that threw 25 plus pitches yesterday. That would be Rogers, May and Duffey.

None had pitched for several days before that. They should all have been available. 

[Squirrel]

only valid in the past, shift is here to stay

thanks for calling me invalid. i appreciate that.

Stop the back and forth. People can dislike the shift, people can say it’s here to stay. Both are valid talking points.

[yarnivek1972]

Hat trick for Eddie?

[yarnivek1972]

None had pitched for several days before that. They should all have been available.

Well, the fact that they haven’t been used tells me they aren’t. Also, there’s a nice article on TD that shows how poorly pretty much any reliever does on 0 rest. Just a hunch that it gets even worse when they are asked to throw on that second day after an extended outing the day before.

[Mike Sixel]

So are valid observations.

Got any evidence they aren't a good idea, other than anecdotal?

[LVTwinsfan]

 

Stop the back and forth. People can dislike the shift, people can say it’s here to stay. Both are valid talking points.

we stopped 10 minutes ago

[IndyTwinsFan]

Hat trick for Eddie?

Nope.

[mrtwinsfan]

4  Errors,  and couple 3  mental errors ,  thats why we lost

[Blake]

Well, crud.

 

Still, though, good series in Cleveland.

[Blake]

 

I am watching the game and saw he didn’t do as I directed him to.

You say that like you're a moderator or something.

[mrtwinsfan]

At least the twins and vikes r in sync today,  both lost Both ended at the exact same time,  with where we all were friday  and now , Gotta say - I like my Baseball team  been a fun year, and were just getting goin. Twins

[howeda7]

 

Well, the fact that they haven’t been used tells me they aren’t. Also, there’s a nice article on TD that shows how poorly pretty much any reliever does on 0 rest. Just a hunch that it gets even worse when they are asked to throw on that second day after an extended outing the day before.

I would not have used May or Rogers. Littel, Duffy and certainly Romo should have been available.

[VATwinsFan]

Twins had to win one this weekend and they won two. Cleveland won't sweep the Phillies and Nationals.

 

If the Twins win 6-7 of final 13 games I'd like to think they'll be good for winning the division.

 

But why do I keep thinking about the '64 Phillies?

[LVTwinsfan]

Twins had to win one this weekend and they won two. Cleveland won't sweep the Phillies and Nationals.

 

If the Twins win 6-7 of final 13 games I'd like to think they'll be good for winning the division.

 

But why do I keep thinking about the '64 Phillies?

We could just go 9-4 and not worry about the Indians

[yarnivek1972]

I would not have used May or Rogers. Littel, Duffy and certainly Romo should have been available.

Duffey and Littell threw 26 and 27 pitches respectively yesterday. Romo only 13. He probably was being saved for a save situation.

[howeda7]

 

Twins had to win one this weekend and they won two. Cleveland won't sweep the Phillies and Nationals.

If the Twins win 6-7 of final 13 games I'd like to think they'll be good for winning the division.

But why do I keep thinking about the '64 Phillies?

There's a high % chance the Nats will run line-ups out there like we did today. Indians could easily sweep them.

[howeda7]

Despite giving today's game away, it was a good week-end. Win tomorrow and be 5 up with 12 to play. 

[howeda7]

 

Duffey and Littell threw 26 and 27 pitches respectively yesterday. Romo only 13. He probably was being saved for a save situation.

Plenty of guys have pitched in similar circumstances this year. We gave the game away with Romero and Gibson. 

[Nine of twelve]

 

Twins had to win one this weekend and they won two. Cleveland won't sweep the Phillies and Nationals.

If the Twins win 6-7 of final 13 games I'd like to think they'll be good for winning the division.

But why do I keep thinking about the '64 Phillies?

I remember hearing Reusse tell a story about when he was covering the Twins during the Mauch years. He said he asked Mauch if he thought much about 1964. Apparently Mauch paused, then said, "Only every ****ing day."

[Nine of twelve]

 

There's a high % chance the Nats will run line-ups out there like we did today. Indians could easily sweep them.

Maybe, but they haven't locked up the WC yet. I suspect it will be too late for Cleveland by then anyway.

[yarnivek1972]

Plenty of guys have pitched in similar circumstances this year. We gave the game away with Romero and Gibson.

Again, referencing that TD article, how did that work out? The numbers say “not well”. It might have worked here and there, but that doesn’t mean it was going to work today. Tired pitchers aren’t as effective. Period. I wouldn’t have used Gibson either, but I also wouldn’t have used anyone that threw 20 plus pitches yesterday. I would have held my nose and most likely used Hildenberger.

[VATwinsFan]

We could just go 9-4 and not worry about the Indians

There's a high % chance the Nats will run line-ups out there like we did today. Indians could easily sweep them.

Nats have lost 7 of 10 and are far from a lock on a WC spot. At a minimum they'll be likely playing for being home team.

[Rosterman]

Errors and the need to use Gibson, although I haven't figured out that need with Stewart and Alcala available. I would've brought in someone for a strikeout insted of Gubson for a ground ball. Heck, if I wanted a ground ball I would've brought in Harper. Instead, could've used Hildenberger if you wanted the home run that bad.

 

Bad moves in the field. Too many.

 

Cleveland was playing hard. Bieber was out of sync. But Cleveland pushed buttons. Can the Twins be more ruthless sometimes against opponents like this?

 

I was hoping that both Garver and Cruz would see an at bat once we broke into the Indians pen. Five Twins wins, 4 Indians losses, and the Twins are there.

[VATwinsFan]

We could just go 9-4 and not worry about the Indians

 

There's a high % chance the Nats will run line-ups out there like we did today. Indians could easily sweep them.

 

Nats

 

I remember hearing Reusse tell a story about when he was covering the Twins during the Mauch years. He said he asked Mauch if he thought much about 1964. Apparently Mauch paused, then said, "Only every ****ing day."

 

Young folks who don't what we're talking about need to read about what happened. Especially how Chico Ruiz stole home when Frank Robinson was up. See link.

 

https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/september-21-1964-chico-ruiz-steals-home-begin-phillies-collapse

[howeda7]

 

Again, referencing that TD article, how did that work out? The numbers say “not well”. It might have worked here and there, but that doesn’t mean it was going to work today. Tired pitchers aren’t as effective. Period. I wouldn’t have used Gibson either, but I also wouldn’t have used anyone that threw 20 plus pitches yesterday. I would have held my nose and most likely used Hildenberger.

How many of the back-to-backs came after not pitching at all for 3-4 days? I can't buy any of them being that tired, since none had pitched since at least Wednesday.