Target: Luis Castillo

Cornholio · June 17, 2019

With the Reds in a seemingly perpetual rebuild, what would a package for Castillo look like? They also have some other arms that may be of interest, such as Iglesias, Lorenzen, Gray, or Roark. Personally I would love to get Castillo, but I’m sure the cost would hurt a bunch.

AZTwin · June 17, 2019

With the Reds in a seemingly perpetual rebuild, what would a package for Castillo look like? They also have some other arms that may be of interest, such as Iglesias, Lorenzen, Gray, or Roark. Personally I would love to get Castillo, but I’m sure the cost would hurt a bunch.

I would give them either Royce Lewis or Alex Kirilloff along with Fernando Romero, Alcala, luke Raley and Nick Gordon

PseudoSABR · June 17, 2019

As much as I'd like Castillo, he hasn't even reached arbitration yet, and I believe the Reds have three years of control after this year. I don't think he'd be available at all. It would be similar (though not a perfect comparison) to us trading Berrios last year.

That said, it'd take a king's ransom.

Thrylos · June 17, 2019

For one moment I was back at 2006

Badsmerf · June 17, 2019

For one moment I was back at 2006

I've been pretty happy with the output at 2b. Not sure we'd want a slap hitting leadoff guy. Guess some are high on him though...

notoriousgod71 · June 17, 2019

With the Reds in a seemingly perpetual rebuild, what would a package for Castillo look like? They also have some other arms that may be of interest, such as Iglesias, Lorenzen, Gray, or Roark. Personally I would love to get Castillo, but I’m sure the cost would hurt a bunch.

Scott Tyler and Travis Bowyer

diehardtwinsfan · June 17, 2019

As much as I'd like Castillo, he hasn't even reached arbitration yet, and I believe the Reds have three years of control after this year. I don't think he'd be available at all. It would be similar (though not a perfect comparison) to us trading Berrios last year.

That said, it'd take a king's ransom.

I guess it depends on when the Reds think their next window will be and whether Castillo fits into it. I'd have no problems giving the kings ransom for him. He's a starter for the next 3 years, so that helps us with some of the 2020 rotation issues that have been discussed here. It probably moves Perez to the pen... and I think he'd be pretty good there personally.

Twodogs · June 17, 2019

No way in hell would the reds trade Castillo, he will be a fixture of their rotation. Maybe 3 years from now?

Otto von Ballpark · June 17, 2019

Scott Tyler and Travis Bowyer

I say we wait a couple years, and get him for Drew Butera and Dustin Martin instead.

Edit fun fact: Dustin Martin never made it to MLB, but is still active in pro ball as recently as this past winter in Mexico:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=martin002dus

Otto von Ballpark · June 17, 2019

With the Reds in a seemingly perpetual rebuild, what would a package for Castillo look like? They also have some other arms that may be of interest, such as Iglesias, Lorenzen, Gray, or Roark. Personally I would love to get Castillo, but I’m sure the cost would hurt a bunch.

I wouldn't say the Reds are in a perpetual rebuild. They were a perennial contended who started their rebuild midway through 2015, as they were about to lose some pending FA, and they expected they were ready to take a step forward this year. Seems like a reasonable timeline.

In addition to Castillo under long-term control, they've extended Suarez and Gray, and they just promoted top prospect Senzel this year. They still have Iglesias for a few years more in the pen if they want, plus emerging relievers like Garrett, Stephenson, etc. They've got a few other recent top 100 prospects like Winker and Mahle contributing. They're far from perfect but they're not about to tear the club down.

They absolutely should be sellers this year, but I'd expect that to mean expiring contracts (Roark, Puig), and maybe relievers. To pry Castillo could take multiple elite prospects, and frankly I'm not even sure the Twins could pay that price right now even if we wanted to, with Lewis scuffling, Kirilloff sidelined with more wrist problems, and Graterol shut down with shoulder concerns.

(Edit: not to say those guys aren't still top prospects, but they're not exactly at peak value at the moment either.)

howeda7 · June 17, 2019

Scott Tyler and Travis Bowyer

I remember the wailing and knashing of teeth on BYTO over trading those valuable prospects. (OK, I don't, but you know it happened.)

Respy · June 17, 2019

I think he would cost an arm and a leg, and probably another arm and another leg.

Otto von Ballpark · June 17, 2019

I remember the wailing and knashing of teeth on BYTO over trading those valuable prospects. (OK, I don't, but you know it happened.)

I don't know about Twins forum archives from back then, but Gleeman fully endorsed the Castillo acquisition:

https://aarongleeman.com/2005/12/page/4/

Keep in mind, the Twins already had a pretty good bullpen at the time, and filled a pretty big hole on a hopeful contending team (Punto was our primary 2B in 2005, and posted a 68 OPS+).

Edit: this Twins email list endorsed it too:

https://apple.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PLUTO.exe?A0=TWINS&s=4225&O=&D=&TOC=&S=b

Otto von Ballpark · June 17, 2019

I think he would cost an arm and a leg, and probably another arm and another leg.

So... Brian Duensing?

USAFChief · June 17, 2019

I think he would cost an arm and a leg, and probably another arm and another leg.

Not that serious.

ashbury · June 17, 2019

I think he would cost an arm and a leg, and probably another arm and another leg.

Not that serious.

Maybe they'll let us put it on the cuff.

Twins33 · June 17, 2019

With the amount of control left, wouldn't surprise me if it cost Lewis AND Kirilloff.

Otherwise, one of Lewis/Kirilloff, Graterol and Larnach? Maybe someone else too.

notoriousgod71 · June 17, 2019

I remember the wailing and knashing of teeth on BYTO over trading those valuable prospects. (OK, I don't, but you know it happened.)

Oh, I remember it. Along with the meltdown over trading Kielty "Who is better than Stewart is NOW" for Shannon Stewart, although that was the ESPN days.

a-wan · June 17, 2019

Scott Tyler and Travis Bowyer

Once Bowyer gets command of that sinker, watch out.

IndianaTwin · June 18, 2019

I think he would cost an arm and a leg, and probably another arm and another leg.

That would be more than just a flesh wound.

Otto von Ballpark · June 18, 2019

Once Bowyer gets command of that sinker, watch out.

Bowyer's arm should be well rested too, as he hasn't thrown a pitch in organized ball since the trade.

notoriousgod71 · June 18, 2019

I don't know about Twins forum archives from back then, but Gleeman fully endorsed the Castillo acquisition:

https://aarongleeman.com/2005/12/page/4/

Keep in mind, the Twins already had a pretty good bullpen at the time, and filled a pretty big hole on a hopeful contending team (Punto was our primary 2B in 2005, and posted a 68 OPS+).

Edit: this Twins email list endorsed it too:
https://apple.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-PLUTO.exe?A0=TWINS&s=4225&O=&D=&TOC=&S=b

Gleeman, inexplicably, positive about JR.

diehardtwinsfan · June 18, 2019

I remember the wailing and knashing of teeth on BYTO over trading those valuable prospects. (OK, I don't, but you know it happened.)

Not these two...

Though I do remember lots of complaining about Eduardo Morlan in the Delmon trade.

USAFChief · June 18, 2019

Once Bowyer gets command of that sinker, watch out.

His floor is dominant 8th inning guy.

jkcarew · June 18, 2019

They absolutely should be sellers this year, but I'd expect that to mean expiring contracts (Roark, Puig), and maybe relievers. To pry Castillo could take multiple elite prospects, and frankly I'm not even sure the Twins could pay that price right now even if we wanted to, with Lewis scuffling, Kirilloff sidelined with more wrist problems, and Graterol shut down with shoulder concerns.

(Edit: not to say those guys aren't still top prospects, but they're not exactly at peak value at the moment either.)

You saw a report confirming Kirilloff’s recent injury is a re-injury of the wrist? If so, your comment is very relevant at this time. Top three prospects...a pitcher with shoulder issues, a hit-first corner OF/1B guy with wrist issues, and a scuffling SS in A+ ball. Not exactly a sell high scenario setting up for this year’s deadline...at least at the top.

Otto von Ballpark · June 18, 2019

You saw a report confirming Kirilloff’s recent injury is a re-injury of the wrist?

Kirilloff info from Danchat here:

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/33539-article-twins-minor-league-report-614-blankenhorn-walk-off-winner-lifts-wahoos/?do=findComment&comment=863217

SomeGuy · June 18, 2019

Luis Castillo should not be available. The Reds have made it clear that the rebuild era is ending. They should be trying to compete again in 2020 and Castillo will be a part of that.

jkcarew · June 18, 2019

Kirilloff info from Danchat here:

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/33539-article-twins-minor-league-report-614-blankenhorn-walk-off-winner-lifts-wahoos/?do=findComment&comment=863217

How did I miss that? Danchat responded to my own post. But Thanks!

a-wan · June 19, 2019

His floor is dominant 8th inning guy.

Between he and Julio DePaula the Twins will be rolling in ground balls.

mlhouse · June 19, 2019

Scott Tyler and Travis Bowyer

I actually watched Scott Tyler pitch a game back in 1999 for Elizabethton (v. Danville Braves). The guy couldnt hit the broad side of the barn and I couldnt believe he was a 2nd round draft pick.

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