2019 40 Man - Who is gone from the 2018 40 Man?

[scottz]

Below is a listing of everyone currently on the 40 man roster, sorted by youngest to oldest. Who do you think will be off this list going into 2019? If you are so inclined, feel free to expand on why you think what you do, or even who might take their place. FYI - I have done no research on who must be added (or risk losing).

 

I think the 2019 40 man roster will not include:

John Curtiss

Zack Granite

Robbie Grossman

Logan Morrison

Logan Forsythe

Ervin Santana

Matt Belisle

 

Question marks:

*I think Mauer plays one more year for the hometown 9.

*It seems like Duffey might go bye bye.

*Astudillo might also say goodbye depending on if they have or add another multi-position IF lined up.)

*Depending on what they do with the catcher position in the offseason, I could see Castro, Garver and Wilson remaining (if they do nothing). If they sign a FA, Wilson or Castro goes away, depending on health of Castro. If Castro is healthy, he's back.

 

71  Lewis Thorpe R/L 6'1" 160lbs 11/23/1995  P
52  Zack Littell R/R 6'4" 220lbs 10/5/1995  P
58  Gabriel Moya L/L 6'0" 175lbs 1/9/1995  P
77  Fernando Romero R/R 6'0" 215lbs 12/24/1994  P
53  Kohl Stewart R/R 6'3" 195lbs 10/7/1994  P
—  Stephen Gonsalves L/L 6'5" 213lbs 7/8/1994  P
17  Jose Berrios R/R 6'0" 185lbs 5/27/1994  P
—  Chase De Jong L/R 6'4" 205lbs 12/29/1993  P
25  Byron Buxton R/R 6'2" 190lbs 12/18/1993  OF
11  Jorge Polanco S/R 5'11" 200lbs 7/5/1993  IF
49  Adalberto Mejia R/L 6'3" 195lbs 6/20/1993 (10-day DL) P
22  Miguel Sano R/R 6'4" 260lbs 5/11/1993  IF
27 1 John Curtiss R/R 6'4" 200lbs 4/5/1993  P
26  Max Kepler L/L 6'4" 205lbs 2/10/1993  OF
60  Jake Cave L/L 6'0" 200lbs 12/4/1992  OF
8 1 Zack Granite L/L 6'1" 175lbs 9/17/1992  OF
50  Aaron Slegers R/R 6'10" 245lbs 9/4/1992 (10-day DL) P
51  Johnny Field R/R 5'10" 180lbs 2/20/1992  OF
64 1 Willians Astudillo R/R 5'9" 225lbs 10/14/1991  IF
20  Eddie Rosario L/R 6'1" 180lbs 9/28/1991  OF
31  Tyler Austin R/R 6'2" 220lbs 9/6/1991  IF
23  Mitch Garver R/R 6'1" 220lbs 1/15/1991  C
21  Tyler Duffey R/R 6'3" 220lbs 12/27/1990  P
55  Taylor Rogers L/L 6'3" 170lbs 12/17/1990  P
39  Trevor Hildenberger R/R 6'2" 211lbs 12/15/1990  P
67  Alan Busenitz R/R 6'1" 180lbs 8/22/1990  P
12  Jake Odorizzi R/R 6'2" 190lbs 3/27/1990  P
68  Matt Magill R/R 6'3" 210lbs 11/10/1989  P
65  Trevor May R/R 6'5" 240lbs 9/23/1989  P
36 1 Robbie Grossman S/L 6'0" 215lbs 9/16/1989  OF
16  Ehire Adrianza S/R 6'1" 170lbs 8/21/1989  IF
35  Michael Pineda R/R 6'7" 260lbs 1/18/1989 (60-day DL) P
43  Addison Reed L/R 6'4" 230lbs 12/27/1988  P
44  Kyle Gibson R/R 6'6" 215lbs 10/23/1987  P
99 1 Logan Morrison L/L 6'3" 245lbs 8/25/1987 (7-day DL) IF
15  Jason Castro L/R 6'3" 215lbs 6/18/1987 (60-day DL) C
24 1 Logan Forsythe R/R 6'1" 205lbs 1/14/1987  IF
32  Oliver Drake R/R 6'4" 215lbs 1/13/1987  P
7  Joe Mauer L/R 6'5" 225lbs 4/19/1983  IF
46  Bobby Wilson R/R 6'0" 230lbs 4/8/1983  C
54 1 Ervin Santana R/R 6'2" 175lbs 12/12/1982 (10-day DL) P
38 1 Matt Belisle R/R 6'3" 230lbs 6/6/1980 (10-day DL) P

[Mike Sixel]

I'd probably try to sign a better C than what they have.....it is an area where there are FAs, and they don't have one they love signed for more than 1 more year.....but I'm not sure that changes the numbers/makeup of the 40 man at all, as someone is gone in that scenario.

 

I agree with your list of "won't includes". 

[minnesquatcha]

I think it's pretty safe to say that bobby Wilson won't be coming back, and I'm guessing that they'll target a couple of relievers in free agency, which may mean some combination of Magill, Drake, or Slegers or the like will also get taken off.

[yarnivek1972]

Aaron Slegers is unlikely to be back IMO. He hasn’t been impressive at the MLB level and he’s been outpitched by at least 4 guys currently at Rochester or above. Romero, Gonsalves, Thorpe, Littel and Mejia. Even without adding anyone, he’s 9th or 10th on the depth chart going in to 2019. Sure, you probably need that many dependable arms. But, I don’t consider Slegers a dependable arm and I suspect his spot on the 40 man will be needed by someone with a considerably brighter future. He’s not even a gimme for Rochester’s rotation.

[USAFChief]

Concur on the OP's list (with possible exception of Morrison), Bobby Wilson, and I also expect Drake and Field to be off the 40 man.

 

 

[nicksaviking]

Good list, I hope there's quite a bit of turnover due to trades and free agents.

 

I'd think Drake and MaGill have an uphill battle to stay rostered. Along with your list, I'd also bet against Johnny Field, Austudillo and Wilson. If they continue to finish the season on down notes I could see them removing Stewart, Slegers and Granite with their fingers crossed that no one claims them and not being upset if someone does.

 

I'd remove De Jong as well but my money is on the front office keeping one of their mid-season pickups.

 

That's a lot of turnover, but I'm just fine with that.

[yarnivek1972]

Unless the Twins really get in a pinch for 40 man spots, I think Stewart sticks.

[old nurse]

 

I'd probably try to sign a better C than what they have.....it is an area where there are FAs, and they don't have one they love signed for more than 1 more year.....but I'm not sure that changes the numbers/makeup of the 40 man at all, as someone is gone in that scenario.

 

I agree with your list of "won't includes". 

From Cots,  after Ramos it looks pretty bare for catchers.

 

Drew Butera
Robinson Chirinos *
Yasmani Grandal
Martin Maldonado
Jeff Mathis
Brian McCann *
Devin Mesoraco
Derek Norris
Wilson Ramos
Anthony Recker

[Dman]

Who needs to be protected this coming year for rule V? Gordon,  Arraez, maybe Stewart, Curtis or Reed?  Is there anyone else?

[Mike Sixel]

From Cots, after Ramos it looks pretty bare for catchers.

 

Drew Butera

Robinson Chirinos *

Yasmani Grandal

Martin Maldonado

Jeff Mathis

Brian McCann *

Devin Mesoraco

Derek Norris

Wilson Ramos

Anthony Recker

You don't like grandal better than Castro? I do. They have a ton of money, they should use it to win at least one bidding war.

[nicksaviking]

 

From Cots,  after Ramos it looks pretty bare for catchers.

 

Drew Butera
Robinson Chirinos *
Yasmani Grandal
Martin Maldonado
Jeff Mathis
Brian McCann *
Devin Mesoraco
Derek Norris
Wilson Ramos
Anthony Recker

 

I agree, but there's no reason to roster Wilson when there are going to be a dozen guys like him available. My question is, can we count on Casto being able to continue to catch after knee surgery? I don't think it was terribly significant but he's already past his physical prime as it is.

 

I'd take Ramos or Grandal, but if we're talking about a starting catcher, I'd rather continue with Garver over the rest.

[Mike Sixel]

I agree, but there's no reason to roster Wilson when there are going to be a dozen guys like him available. My question is, can we count on Casto being able to continue to catch after knee surgery? I don't think it was terribly significant but he's already past his physical prime as it is.

 

I'd take Ramos or Grandal, but if we're talking about a starting catcher, I'd rather continue with Garver over the rest.

I want Garver and grandal, personally.

[SF Twins Fan]

 

You don't like grandal better than Castro? I do. They have a ton of money, they should use it to win at least one bidding war.

 

I'd definitely like to see Grandal in a Twins uniform but he'll be 30 in November, so I wouldn't want to sign him to more than 3 years.

[SwainZag]

 

You don't like grandal better than Castro? I do. They have a ton of money, they should use it to win at least one bidding war.

 

Castro has 1 year and $8M left on his contract if I'm not mistaken.  Unless he can't come back from injury, I highly doubt they eat that $$$ to pick someone else.  At this point have to assume it will be Castro and Garver behind the plate.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Castro has 1 year and $8M left on his contract if I'm not mistaken.  Unless he can't come back from injury, I highly doubt they eat that $$$ to pick someone else.  At this point have to assume it will be Castro and Garver behind the plate.

 

Well, I'm assuming they would trade him in this scenario, not just DFA/cut him.....

 

If not catcher, where is all the money going next year? 

[mendozaline]

 

I want Garver and grandal, personally.

If they can't bring in Grandal, I'd take a look at Maldonado. Gold glove catcher who could probably help Garver on the defensive end and I doubt he'd cost that much or require more than 2 years

 

**Depending on if Castro is healthy**

[old nurse]

 

You don't like grandal better than Castro? I do. They have a ton of money, they should use it to win at least one bidding war.

I doubt Grandal is anywhere but with the Dodgers next year.   To pry him away it would take a contract like Hosmer got and I do not think the Pohlads would go for that much dead money at the end of a contract. Molina might be the only catcher over 30 that catches 60% of their team's games.  The Pohlads might go for an overpay contract for Ramos but he has seemed to be injured more than playing

[Mike Sixel]

 

I doubt Grandal is anywhere but with the Dodgers next year.   To pry him away it would take a contract like Hosmer got and I do not think the Pohlads would go for that much dead money at the end of a contract. Molina might be the only catcher over 30 that catches 60% of their team's games.  The Pohlads might go for an overpay contract for Ramos but he has seemed to be injured more than playing

 

Then trade for one of the Dodger's two AA catchers.......but I don't think Grandal is back with them. They have other options. Why would anyone think a catcher is getting that long a deal? No way, imo, that happens.

[Rosterman]

Well, for starters, the Twins will have to find a space from Pineda returning in September. Castro will be back fer sure because of his $8 million in 2019.

 

The Twins may have the option of putting Morrison on the 60-day to end the season. But they also need to make decisions on Belisle and Santana, both of whom will not be back at this point in 2019. Forsythe should also be allowed to be a free agent. Mauer will also be allowed to be a free agent and explore offers, or the Twins to see how little they might have to pay him. There is no reason to 40-man Bobby Wilson in the off-season. So that is six guys going off with four real spots opening up.

 

You only need to keep guys out of the Rule 5 draft if YOU THINK another team will roster then for the season. Pretty much everyone playing today at Chattanooga and below falls into the category of NOT being able to hold a major league roster spot for another team, let alone the Twins...and those that are promising don't need to be protected (Rooker, most of the guys acquired in trades and such).

 

The only candidate would be Brian Navaretto, but he isn't a hitter and is still an AA catcher. But the Twins might JUST protect him if they feel he has any promise of working his way up to the majors. Stewart was already added, and by being added in August means he can be cut from the 40-man anytime if the need would arise (40-man adds before the deadline have to go to spring training, unless traded). So, there is not a lot of MUST HAVE guys. Luke Bard is a consideration, but might be too old to gamble. Jake Reed is a lock. Lamonte Wade should be added. I'm unsure if Nick Gordon really needs to be added thos season. But I still think the Twins NEED to look at him for the month of September to see what they have and what needs work to decide a direction in 2019 (if they retain a free agent). There's fringe guys to consider like Baxendale and Nick Anderson. But, really, the Twins ONLY need 4-6 open 40-man spots.

 

Of course, we get to the interesting need to keep Drake and Grossman and Magill and Duffey. Has their time come and gone? Is Grossman too expensive in arbitration when you have Cave...and maybe Lamonte Wade? Of course, all can be kept depending on cost.

 

You have Slegers and Granite and Astuliddo and Field and De Jong. Ask the question...how many WOULD make the roster of another team. All can stay, as you need players to drop if you make free agent signings. 

 

Addison Reed is the next most expensive player on the team with Castro. If he makes it to the end of August, the Twins may be stuck with him. If not, maybe they have another name (and probably a 40-man guy) taking his place on the roster...a 40-man guy who may not be kept by another team/

 

The big thing is looking at players that need to be protected. No other catchers, really. A lack on infielders on the cusp. The Twins have a lot of rotation arms (10-11) that they would be rostering.

 

We have Thorpe who hasn't been seen this year. Amazing.

 

The bigger question: How many of the 42 names currently on the roster DO have any worth to ANOTHER team and should be considered locks for 2019 (or 2020). Then you see the quality of players you are holding in your hands!

[Mike Sixel]

Add or no....but eligible for rule 5 next year, I believe:

 

Nick Gordon - yes

LaMonte Wade - yes

Luke Bard - No

Jake Reed - No

 

Luis Arriaz - yes

Jaylin Davis - yes

Zander Weil - probably yes, but I'd roll the die

Tyler Jay - no 

Lewin Diaz - no

 

I think that's the list of guys even worth discussing (well, Diaz isn't worth discussing, but he was a big signing)

 

hmmmm.....looks like the roster page has not been updated, so it's missing De Jong and probably others that were traded for. Kind of makes the roster page not all that useful, I guess.

 

I'd have De Jong up here as a RP right now, see what that does to his stuff.

 

 

 

[old nurse]

 

Then trade for one of the Dodger's two AA catchers.......but I don't think Grandal is back with them. They have other options. Why would anyone think a catcher is getting that long a deal? No way, imo, that happens.

The state of catching on many teams. Russel Martin and Brian McCann signed 80 million dollar contracts 5 years ago for 17 or so million a year. No other comparable catchers really have hit the free agent market.  Dodgers are in a win now mode. Any of the touted Dodger  minor league catchers will not be ready next year. . Ruiz may be considered a sure thing, but so was Buxton.  With Barnes having a down year with the bat, the Dodgers really can't afford to lose Grandal.

[Tuba]

My very quick take:

 

Gone -14:
Mauer
Forsythe
Wilson
Morrison
Santana
Belisle
Granite
Field
Astudillo
Grossman
Slegers
Magill
De Jong

Drake 

 

Duffey / Curtiss still have options for now, but can be removed if needed.
Austin is out of options so if they get desperate and need a spot, but i think he will make it as a platoon guy.

 

Added R5 +5:
Graterol
Gordon
Wade
Alcala
Arreaz

 

Bard got returned for a reason. Reed passed by all teams for a reason.

Think Anderson/Vasquez will fly under the radar.
1B are rarely taken so I don't see any need to add Wiel.

 

Added FA +9:
Mauer (Re-sign)
Castro
Pineda

R5 pick
Five free agents

[scottz]

 

I agree, but there's no reason to roster Wilson when there are going to be a dozen guys like him available. My question is, can we count on Casto being able to continue to catch after knee surgery? I don't think it was terribly significant but he's already past his physical prime as it is.

 

I'd take Ramos or Grandal, but if we're talking about a starting catcher, I'd rather continue with Garver over the rest.

I generally agree there's no reason to roster Wilson, except for the fact that familiarity is a good thing out of catchers. A bad catcher that has been in your system and knows your pitchers is kind of the devil you know. If they don't go after a FA, and Castro starts healthy, but then gets hurt, you'd rather have Wilson than some other Wilson. But yeah, he can go on the "not" list.

[Lonestar]

Nick Anderson and Andrew Vasquez will not fly under anyone's radar (besides possibly the Twins) with their K%-BB% (27.6% and 45.0%) and ability to work more than one inning in an appearance.

[Tuba]

 

Agree with 3 differences. Forsythe's contract runs out, but I think the Twins will re-sign him if they can and he starts at 2B. There is no one else and if Escobar comes back, he'll be part of the 1B/3B/DH group with Sano, Mauer and Austin. Escobar isn't a good enough fielder to play 2B every day. 

 

I also think there's at least a good chance that at least one of Magill and Drake will stay on the 40 man. Yes, if they pitch well the next 6 weeks. Also, I think they'll keep Nick Anderson and De Jong since they just traded for him. I would add three to your list, eliminate the Rule 5 pickup, and say we pick up 3-4 FAs. Other than that, I like it. 

 

I agree with a lot of your points. Between Forsythe/Escobar its a little hard to tell who is coming back so I just lumped them into generic FA signings. It was hard to put Drake on the list when he hasn't given up a run yet, but I am leaning on his 4 years of mediocre service time and my ingrained sports pessimism. I know they just traded for De Jong but he strikes me as kind of a throw in for that trade.

 

Nick Anderson is a tough call, but actually on second look Andrew Vasquez is dominating and left handed, seems like an easy thing to stash on a major league roster, we may need to protect him. Surprised he doesn't appear on any prospect lists?

[Twins33]

I'd do this:

Belisle

Curtiss

De Jong (but I assume they won't and hope they at least make him a RP)

Duffey

Santana

Slegers

Wilson

Astudillo

Forsythe (I wouldn't hate bringing him back on a one year deal, but it'd be like my plan E for 2B)

Morrison

Field

Granite

Grossman

 

That seems like a lot but that's what I'd want. Then I'd want them to go hard after a C and a SP better than Berrios/Gibson. I want Escobar back too. I'd also want Machado, but I don't see it ever happening.

[ThejacKmp]

One year of Castro is infinitely preferable to three years of Grandahl. Castro and Garver are fine and you have Rortvedt a possibility for 2020.

 

I imagine the Twins third catcher will be a guy they don't need to add to the 40 - he only gets added if there's an injury.

[Monkeypaws]

Tuba's take might be closer to reality than I would expect from the Twins.

 

Falvine want their guys, not leftovers. They've been pretty brutal letting the previous regimes players go so far.

[Mike Sixel]

 

One year of Castro is infinitely preferable to three years of Grandahl. Castro and Garver are fine and you have Rortvedt a possibility for 2020.

 

I imagine the Twins third catcher will be a guy they don't need to add to the 40 - he only gets added if there's an injury.

 

how so? One is younger and healthier.......

 

what else are you doing with the money?

 

IF Rortverdt plays in 2020, it won't be much. Rookie catchers tend not to get a ton of time.

[RaymondLuxuryYacht]

 

Well, I'm assuming they would trade him in this scenario, not just DFA/cut him.....

 

If not catcher, where is all the money going next year? 

I'm no expert but if not C then IF, OF, SP or RP