Twins, OAK a good match? Gibson & Odorizzi available

[Tom Froemming]

Some interesting trade news floating around this morning.

 

-Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle seems to be connecting the dots that the A's and Twins would make a lot of sense as trade partners:

 

"There could be a few options that pique the team’s interest, Minnesota’s Jake Odorizzi and Lance Lynn, perhaps. The A’s aren’t going to be looking for top-line, Jacob deGrom-type starters; they’ve carefully assembled a strong minor-league system with all their midseason deals the previous three years. So taking on some contract from a team out of the running might be their best shot."

 

-Joel Sherman of the New York Post passed along some Twins pitching notes:

 

"One team that potentially could move starters of all different ilks is the Twins. They have Lance Lynn, who is a free agent after this season. Ervin Santana, who has a $14 million option for 2019 and has yet to pitch in the majors this season after February finger surgery. But he made another minor league rehab start Sunday against the Yankees’ Triple-A squad, yielding a homer to an also rehabbing Gary Sanchez. Santana allowed three runs and struck out seven in 5 ²/₃ innings.

 

The Twins are said to be open to trading Jake Odorizzi or Kyle Gibson, who both can be free agents after 2019. Gibson is particularly interesting in his best year, averaging nearly a strikeout an inning and inducing ground balls better than 46 percent of the time."

[Han Joelo]

Do due diligence to determine distinct do-do from definitely doable different Dozier dumps.

 

Dang.

 

None of this was about Dozier.  I alliterally chose the wrong letter.

 

The Ringer has an excellent article about deadline deals toDay.  The odds are not in the favor of the dumper, generally.

[TheLeviathan]

Sure, I'll take any living human for Lance Lynn at this point.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Do due diligence to determine distinct do-do from definitely doable different Dozier dumps.

 

Dang.

 

None of this was about Dozier. I alliterally chose the wrong letter.

 

The Ringer has an excellent article about deadline deals toDay. The odds are not in the favor of the dumper, generally.

[Tomj14]

I would trade Jake Odorizzi, Lance Lynn or Santana.

Not ready to trade Gibson, but if the FO has given up on Sano and Buxton for next year then trade everybody not named Berrios.

[KirbyDome89]

Gibson is the only one in that group that I'd entertain keeping, and even then I'm not holding on too tightly.

 

They won't get anything valuable for Lynn & Odorizzi, but they won't have to sell high draft picks to move on so thats a win right? If somebody wants to gamble on Erv before he throws a single inning in the majors this season I'm not sure how/why the Twins would say no.  

[scottz]

In order, my preference of trading pitchers: Lynn, Santana, Odorizzi, then Gibson. Obviously, you listen if the deal offered for Gibson is a monster, so orders of preference probably don't mean much.

 

Especially from me because they never invite me to any of the FO meetings, so they likely won't even consider my input.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

If somebody wants to gamble on Erv before he throws a single inning in the majors this season I'm not sure how/why the Twins would say no.  

I read it more like, the Return of Erv could make it easier / more likely to deal another starter.

 

There's also the August trade period for Erv too.

[Brandon]

Rotation for 2018

Santana

Berrios

Gibson

Odorizzi

Lynn

Romero

 

and in reserves, Mejia, Slegers, Littell, Gonsalves

 

Rotation for 2019

Berrios

Gibson

Pineda

Romero

Odorizzi

 

with Mejia, Slegers, Thorp,Stewart, Gonsalves Littell

 

plus any free agents 

 

so we have plenty of flexibility to trade a starting pitcher. I would be surprised if we didn't trade at least one.  Even if we decide not to sell we should probably trade one of our pitchers this season.  

 

I think the smart play on Santana is to see how he finishes the year and pick up his option then trade him if he pitches well. for some reason I think he will and i think he will be worth a 1 year 14 million contract.  especially if we eat some of it to get a better prospect.  

[Vanimal46]

Sure, I'll take any living human for Lance Lynn at this point.

Concur. He doesn't even have to be breathing! But that would be a plus.

[Twodogs]

Remember a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush leagues.

[Twodogs]

I guess what I'm saying is that guys we have control over we already know that they can compete in MLB, the guys that we aren't sure about, other teams also know that they aren't sure about them either. Guys that are on their way out anyway like Lynn and or Dozier etc... Might as well look for something for them. But a guy like Gibson, you could bring in a haul 3 or 4 dudes if you have wishful thinking and all of them could end up out of baseball in 2 or 3 years. So to me it's kinda hard to deal a guy that you know you can control for another year for something that isn't a sure thing ever?? JMO

[Mike Sixel]

 

Remember a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush leagues.

 

I guess, if you don't really think about the future, and the fact some of these guys won't be here (or healthy, or good) in the future.

 

It's also a very risk averse way to run your life....which is fine.

[Twodogs]

I guess, if you don't really think about the future, and the fact some of these guys won't be here (or healthy, or good) in the future.

 

It's also a very risk averse way to run your life....which is fine.

But you are risking something you know to be pretty decent for something that could be junk? Now I'm not saying don't do anything, like Eduardo Nunez was a good move we probably weren't going to get him back anyway? So that goes for Dozier and Lynn and Escobar, trade them for something. But Gibson is kinda iffy to me, he's been solid for half of last year and all of this year. Based on what you are saying trade Berrios, he's worth more and he might not be healthy in the future?? Why would you be so risk averse to trading him?

[Dman]

I would think the A’s would be interested in Lynn as they shouldn’t have to give up too much to get a solid 5th starter.  They might like Odo as well since he wouldn’t be a rental.  Who knows with Odo the A’s might be able to build back value and get a nice return for him next year.  If the A’s are in it I bet they will come calling.

[Mike Sixel]

 

But you are risking something you know to be pretty decent for something that could be junk? Now I'm not saying don't do anything, like Eduardo Nunez was a good move we probably weren't going to get him back anyway? So that goes for Dozier and Lynn and Escobar, trade them for something. But Gibson is kinda iffy to me, he's been solid for half of last year and all of this year. Based on what you are saying trade Berrios, he's worth more and he might not be healthy in the future?? Why would you be so adverse to trading him?

 

are you actually asking if I am suggesting trading a player with 4-5 years of control left, who is young, and will (hopefully)  be here in a window of contention?

[Twodogs]

are you actually asking if I am suggesting trading a player with 4-5 years of control left, who is young, and will (hopefully) be here in a window of contention?

He might not stay healthy? He's coming off an all star selection he's worth a lot right now, if your thinking about the future? Of course I'm being a little bit over the top here, but I'm saying you have control over Gibson still, he's been very good. Most likely probably about 60 to 70 percent likely you will not get anyone back that will replace him in the rotation. Trade those other guys for sure, but I'm kinda leaning like Gibson should be a fixture in the rotation for next year. So maybe you have a shot at something next year.

[Mike Sixel]

 

He might not stay healthy? He's coming off an all star selection he's worth a lot right now, if your thinking about the future? Of course I'm being a little bit over the top here, but I'm saying you have control over Gibson still, he's been very good. Most likely probably about 60 to 70 percent likely you will not get anyone back that will replace him in the rotation. Trade those other guys for sure, but I'm kinda leaning like Gibson should be a fixture in the rotation for next year. So maybe you have a shot at something next year.

 

This team has about a 10-20% chance to be relevant next year, based on what people thought going into this year.

 

Right now, they have no 2B, no 3B, no 1B, and I'd argue no DH signed for next year that is in the majors. Sano will take one of those.....the 2B they will probably lose has been their best player.....

 

They have good 3 starting pitchers, and, what, 3 RPs under contract for next year?

 

Their starting catcher is likely to be a mid-30s player coming off a major injury.

 

I sympathize with those that want to hold out hope for next year, I just don't share it.

 

And, if your answer is FA, go look at the list, and think about if the Twins have ever outbid the rest of the league for the top players at any position....like C or SP.

[KirbyDome89]

 

I read it more like, the Return of Erv could make it easier / more likely to deal another starter.

 

There's also the August trade period for Erv too.

Good call on August, I didn't even think about that. If they don't move him at the end of the month maybe a contending team makes a call into August. 

 

I'm not sure Erv's return makes the July decision any easier though. If this FO decides to make a playoff push (and I'm not saying they should) then based on the expected meager returns for Lynn, Odorizzi, ect, it would seem the Twins would be better off holding onto the arms. I'm not sure the team's plans one way or another will/should rely on Erv in any capacity. 

[lukeduke1980]

Oakland occasionally goes all in and trades away an Addison Russell but I can't imagine they'd think they're close enough this year.  I could see them trading a little for Lynn or Duke and that's almost ideal as Santana and Moya can slide in.

 

I'm not sure about Odorizzi in general - I hope he's just where Gibby was a year or so ago and can turn it around.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Oakland occasionally goes all in and trades away an Addison Russell but I can't imagine they'd think they're close enough this year.  I could see them trading a little for Lynn or Duke and that's almost ideal as Santana and Moya can slide in.

 

I'm not sure about Odorizzi in general - I hope he's just where Gibby was a year or so ago and can turn it around.

 

SEA has been riding the luck train all year, and maybe that luck is evening out......I think they MIGHT go for it some, but I think we won't know for a couple weeks....

[Twodogs]

This team has about a 10-20% chance to be relevant next year, based on what people thought going into this year.

 

Right now, they have no 2B, no 3B, no 1B, and I'd argue no DH signed for next year that is in the majors. Sano will take one of those.....the 2B they will probably lose has been their best player.....

 

They have good 3 starting pitchers, and, what, 3 RPs under contract for next year?

 

Their starting catcher is likely to be a mid-30s player coming off a major injury.

 

I sympathize with those that want to hold out hope for next year, I just don't share it.

 

And, if your answer is FA, go look at the list, and think about if the Twins have ever outbid the rest of the league for the top players at any position....like C or SP.

Well there you go, the Twins have nothing, so what's the point of not trading Berrios, probably can get a lot of those holes filled if you trade him, won't get hardly anything for those other guys, so might as well trade someone you can really get something for?? I mean whats he any good for if they don't have anything behind him?

[Twodogs]

Oakland occasionally goes all in and trades away an Addison Russell but I can't imagine they'd think they're close enough this year. I could see them trading a little for Lynn or Duke and that's almost ideal as Santana and Moya can slide in.

 

I'm not sure about Odorizzi in general - I hope he's just where Gibby was a year or so ago and can turn it around.

It's just me, but I don't think Odorizzi is going to get any better. I think he is an up and down pitcher; he has his moments where he blows people away and looks really tough and then he has other moments like on Friday where he was given an 8 - 1 lead and couldnt make it out of the 5th?? He's ok as a 4th or 5th starter.

[howieramone2]

 

Sure, I'll take any living human for Lance Lynn at this point.

A solid 3 with a good track record. He's our best trade chip. Enough scapegoating.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Well there you go, the Twins have nothing, so what's the point of not trading Berrios, probably can get a lot of those holes filled if you trade him, won't get hardly anything for those other guys, so might as well trade someone you can really get something for?? I mean whats he any good for if they don't have anything behind him?

 

Not sure I understand your post. I never said any of that.

[ChrisKnutson]

While Odorizzi seems like a perfect fit for the Coliseum, I’m not really sure what we could get in return for him, maybe Frankie Montas?

[Brandon]

 

Well there you go, the Twins have nothing, so what's the point of not trading Berrios, probably can get a lot of those holes filled if you trade him, won't get hardly anything for those other guys, so might as well trade someone you can really get something for?? I mean whats he any good for if they don't have anything behind him?

 

We should just trade all of the veterans for minor league players.  Then we should trade all of our rookies because they will not be here when we are relevant again and we really need to build up our farm system.  In fact our AA and AAA guys wont even be here either so we should trade them until we have the strongest team or 16 year-olds playing in the gulf coast league and just maybe we can be relevant again before they reach the majors and then Free Agency in the next 15 years give or take.  We may have to do another tear down or two pushing our contention window out another 10 years or so making it 25 years before we are relevant again.   

 

Or we could just go for it this year.  I mean we do have some issues but a few of them have corrected themselves.  so if Rooker or Sano can make it up and mash or if Morrison hits when he gets back from the DL, that is our biggest problem solved.  

 

Grossman, Dozier, Garver, Cave, Polanco, and Mauer are hitting so we would only need a DH to step forward and another C to go with Garver and our offense should be in high gear.  We have 6 or 7 starters who should be starting for us.  The question is can we find a 4th or 5th starter who can pitch like a 3 to finish out the season and how will Santana do when he gets back?  The rotation and pen as a whole are average.  can we win enough games with an improved offense to contend if not win this year?  Contending to the end of the season is good enough for me if we try and do not win its ok, and better than quitting.  Finishing 1 or 2 games back of the playoffs at the end of the year is better than quitting now and walking away and loosing a bunch of games to close out the season,  Odds are against us winning the division but I would like to see how the next few weeks play out before i go all negative again.  I did give up a week ago and do not have high expectations yet.  But i would like to see if they can get hot now and make a run of it.  That is more fun than quitting on the season.   I hate quitting on the season

[bluechipper]

 

While Odorizzi seems like a perfect fit for the Coliseum, I’m not really sure what we could get in return for him, maybe Frankie Montas?

Great point on the fit. He's a fly ball pitcher, and his pitches get fouled off a ton. Perfect for Oakland.

[Thrylos]

 

 

 

 

Rotation for 2019

Berrios

Gibson

Pineda

Romero

Odorizzi

 

with Mejia, Slegers, Thorp,Stewart, Gonsalves Littell

 

Mejia is out of options in 2019.

Stewart will be a free agent this off-season

 

May may be the best forgotten pitcher out there.

 

Yes the Twins have too many 4-5 SP types out there.  If they get rid of Santana, Lynn, Odorizzi nobody will blink and they will still have an overflowing roster.  To compete, they really need an ace and with

 

Berrios

Romero

Pineda

Gibson

May (also out of options)

 

one would have to hope that at least one of the top 2 makes huge strides next season...

[h2oface]

To trade Gibson now that he is the pitcher we always wanted would be insanity. Trade for hope and dreams? Even a higher degree of insanity. He is home grown. He is a Twin, not a visitor. Stop the insanity.