ESPN reports Brewers have made offer for Darvish

[SF Twins Fan]

 

Do something ... it won't be Darvish.

 

https://twitter.com/MikeBerardino/status/955846806235205633

 

 

I feel like we have to take this with a grain of salt because they also said this.

 

[gunnarthor]

Arrieta probably comes with fewer years.

[Squirrel]

 

Arrieta probably comes with fewer years.

Yeah, most definitely should, imo. I think he's the lesser pitcher at this point and I think he will drop off much sooner and much quicker than Darvish. I'd rather go after Cobb or Lynn than Arrieta. But we'll see.

[Squirrel]

 

 

Really isn't surprising that we aren't going to get Darvish. Pohlads were never going to spend that kind of money.

Yeah, agree ... I've said all along that we won't get getting Darvish ... but I was still hoping for it. I'm not really disappointed and won't be surprised ... just ... resigned.

[BUGuy37]

Not getting my hopes up about any sort of "splash" move to improve the rotation. 

 

I'm becoming resigned to the reality that we're settling into an American League landscape that will be dominated by Houston, New York, and Boston (once they sign J.D.) for the next several years. Just look at the moves they're making to improve already stacked rosters. Too bad all our young guys are coming of age during this same time frame.

 

It's an arms race and the Twins haven't done nearly enough to keep pace.

 

Things can obviously change, and quickly, especially if one of our young pitching prospects "boom" or Berrios transforms into a legit #1.  Here's to hoping that happens!  

[Twodogs]

it would seem odd to me that the Twins would go out and spend short term money on the bullpen; Reed, Duke, Rodney and then not plan on competing in the short term??  So if they roll with Gonsalves, Romero, etc.... to fill the rotation for this year and next then they are still a year or two away from really competing, but by that time the relief pitchers they have signed will be gone.  So it seems to me that they must be planning to sign a frontline starter in order to compete for the next couple of years and hope those younger guys develop so that they continue to compete after these bullpen pieces leave??  JMO

[nicksaviking]

 

I really hope that if the Twins don't get Darvish, Milwaukee does.  I hate it when all the good players flock to the super teams like the Cubs, Astros and Yankees, we need more competition from the little fish.

 

I'd agree except then the narrative is going to be, "Why will Milwaukee spend money on an ace but the Twins won't!?! They're a smaller cold-Midwest market than we are!!!!!!"

[PseudoSABR]

 

Do something ... it won't be Darvish.

 

https://twitter.com/MikeBerardino/status/955846806235205633

Sourcing is weird here.  "Club official" is evidently not a Twins club official?  As the use of "they" and "been in contact" suggest someone on the outside.    If that's the case, not sure we should give the sentiment that much weight.  No matter what deal would result with Darvish, it would be uncharacteristic for the Twins.

 

All that said, it sounds like the Darvish market is heating up, and as it does, I think the Twins chances grow slimmer and slimmer.

[Platoon]

I'd agree except then the narrative is going to be, "Why will Milwaukee spend money on an ace but the Twins won't!?! They're a smaller cold-Midwest market than we are!!!!!!"

And that should be the narrative, it it comes to pass. If nothing else, if this all fizzles as it now appears it may, we can resume normal operating procedures. No longer a need to daydream about shiny new toys. The light at the end of the tunnel will have to be drafting, development, innovative trade moves, and maybe a little more agression in retaining core homegrown players. I have no real problem with that scenario if all of these operational philosophies are in in use. But if we get squeamish and greedy about trading to fill needed spots, that whole business plan collapses in a pile of mediocrity.

[Squirrel]

 

Sourcing is weird here.  "Club official" is evidently not a Twins club official?  As the use of "they" and "been in contact" suggest someone on the outside.    If that's the case, not sure we should give the sentiment that much weight.  No matter what deal would result with Darvish, it would be uncharacteristic for the Twins.

 

All that said, it sounds like the Darvish market is heating up, and as it does, I think the Twins chances grow slimmer and slimmer.

Yeah ... I never thought he'd be someone we would actually sign, just hoped. And won't be at all surprised when he signs elsewhere. I just don't want the money teams to win, but they will. In today's world of baseball it's all about the haves and have nots. The Twins will only be able to compete so far until they are willing to go the extra bump. I think they could do that this year with Yu, but they haven't in the past so I'm not too confident we will. We don't have the prospects to land someone big enough in a trade, we don't have that front-liner in our system now (imo), where else will it come? Even though it wasn't something I thought would happen, I still think it's what we needed to do in order to truly be competitive. And, well, it ain't over 'til it's over ... but ... our core isn't going to be our core forever and I think we are missing an opportunity. But, it's only a game. I'm just resigned to how things are and can't expend my energy over a game, enjoyable as it is for me.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I feel like we have to take this with a grain of salt because they also said this.

 

Arrieta? Ugh. He's the worst of the four, imo, and not close.

[Nine of twelve]

it would seem odd to me that the Twins would go out and spend short term money on the bullpen; Reed, Duke, Rodney and then not plan on competing in the short term??  So if they roll with Gonsalves, Romero, etc.... to fill the rotation for this year and next then they are still a year or two away from really competing, but by that time the relief pitchers they have signed will be gone.  So it seems to me that they must be planning to sign a frontline starter in order to compete for the next couple of years and hope those younger guys develop so that they continue to compete after these bullpen pieces leave??  JMO

In the modern age there are satisfactory free agent bullpen relievers available almost every year. Why commit 3 years to a reliever when there will be someone else who can be signed next year. As for starters, that's different. Most people think there will be better FA starters available next year. I think the Twins lineup is still a year away from peak performance, and while I would like having Darvish on my staff I think we can roll without him for a year if signing him this year would prevent us from making a bigger signing next year.

[cmoss84]

Would you guys rather have:

 

Darvish at 6/150 (or something simliar)

 

or 

 

Lynn for 4/70 AND Cobb at 4/70

[Squirrel]

 

Would you guys rather have:

 

Darvish at 6/150 (or something simliar)

 

or 

 

Lynn for 4/70 AND Cobb at 4/70

Darvish.

[cmoss84]

Just a side note...Cardinal fans seem to think VERY highly of Lynn. Many of them think he is up there with Darvish and Arietta. They ultimately say he isn't as flashy and rack up K's, but is really consistent and has playoff, pressure-type experience. 

 

Obviously all fan bases are biased, but it seemed they would be quite upset if the cards didn't resign him or if he signed within the division. 

[SF Twins Fan]

 

Arrieta? Ugh. He's the worst of the four, imo, and not close.

 

Yea that's why I feel like whoever his "source" is you have to take what they said with a grain of salt because I wouldn't want Arrieta for the amount of money he wants. He's probably 4th on the list of FA pitchers.

[nicksaviking]

 

Would you guys rather have:

 

Darvish at 6/150 (or something simliar)

 

or 

 

Lynn for 4/70 AND Cobb at 4/70

 

Darvish.

 

This team has plenty of mid-rotation guys as it is, they need quality, not quantity. 

 

2018 WC matchup Tuesday Oct 2:

 

Twins: Lynn (0-0)

 

at

 

Red Sox: Sale (0-0)

 

Gross. Looks like another early exit.

[Mike Sixel]

 

In the modern age there are satisfactory free agent bullpen relievers available almost every year. Why commit 3 years to a reliever when there will be someone else who can be signed next year. As for starters, that's different. Most people think there will be better FA starters available next year. I think the Twins lineup is still a year away from peak performance, and while I would like having Darvish on my staff I think we can roll without him for a year if signing him this year would prevent us from making a bigger signing next year.

 

Next year the Yankees and Dodgers will have re-set their salary issues, and will have money to spend. If the Twins' won't outbid the league in a year where those two are not bidding, why do people think they'll outbid the league when those two are in play?

[Mike Sixel]

 

Would you guys rather have:

 

Darvish at 6/150 (or something simliar)

 

or 

 

Lynn for 4/70 AND Cobb at 4/70

 

Darvish, I think.

[SF Twins Fan]

 

In the modern age there are satisfactory free agent bullpen relievers available almost every year. Why commit 3 years to a reliever when there will be someone else who can be signed next year. As for starters, that's different. Most people think there will be better FA starters available next year. I think the Twins lineup is still a year away from peak performance, and while I would like having Darvish on my staff I think we can roll without him for a year if signing him this year would prevent us from making a bigger signing next year.

 

What's the point of playing the games this season or even paying attention as a fan if they don't make a serious move to make the rotation better. Going into the 2017 playoffs the Twins were clearly, CLEARLY not as good as the Indians, Astros, Yankees and Red Sox.

 

The Astros and Yankees have made moves to improve their teams. All signs point to the Red Sox signing JD Martinez. The Indians are probably the only team that has really lost players - which was from their bullpen. The only area the Twins have improved so far is their bullpen, but we all know it's the starting rotation that's going to matter once the season and then playoffs start.

[KirbyDome89]

 

Yeah, agree ... I've said all along that we won't get getting Darvish ... but I was still hoping for it. I'm not really disappointed and won't be surprised ... just ... resigned.

I can't say I'm surprised either, but I'll admit I bought into enough of the talk the Twins tossed out there to feel a little let down. It's hard not to feel a little misled too. What team in MLB isn't "interested," in a good deal? For me the question was were they willing to pay for the player they wanted/needed. Who knows, maybe we'll be able to spend next offseason listening to how "interested," the Twins are in Bryce Harper until contract numbers start to become real. 

[Dave The Dastardly]

 

Gimenez just signed with the Cubs; so his connection to Darvish certainly won't help the Twins any longer.

Who's going to replace Giminez in the bullpen?

[USAFChief]

 

Would you guys rather have:

 

Darvish at 6/150 (or something simliar)

 

or 

 

Lynn for 4/70 AND Cobb at 4/70

yes.

 

...

 

 

wait...no.

 

 

...

 

 

wait...maybe.

[Squirrel]

 

Next year the Yankees and Dodgers will have re-set their salary issues, and will have money to spend. If the Twins' won't outbid the league in a year where those two are not bidding, why do people think they'll outbid the league when those two are in play?

And besides that, what other front-end starters (I'm talking 1-2 types, not 2-3s or 3-4s) are available next year? (Other than Kershaw because that really ain't happening.) I could be very 'not on it' but I didn't think there were many quality pitchers next year which made signing Darvish something they needed to do this year? (I still don't think we have 'that' person in our system.)

[Dave The Dastardly]

 

Would you guys rather have:

 

Darvish at 6/150 (or something simliar)

 

or 

 

Lynn for 4/70 AND Cobb at 4/70

Gonsalves at 3/1.5. Call me a cheap a$$ but when did the Twins last sign a long term expensive contract that proved out? Nolasco? Hughes? Mauer?

[Platoon]

There is a difference between hoping the Twins would shell out the money for a high profile FA, and seriously thinking they would. For the latter, Lucy is still holding that football on the ground waiting for you.

[bird]

 

Gonsalves at 3/1.5. Call me a cheap a$$ but when did the Twins last sign a long term expensive contract that proved out? Nolasco? Hughes? Mauer?

 

Mauer.

[Twodogs]

 

In the modern age there are satisfactory free agent bullpen relievers available almost every year. Why commit 3 years to a reliever when there will be someone else who can be signed next year. As for starters, that's different. Most people think there will be better FA starters available next year. I think the Twins lineup is still a year away from peak performance, and while I would like having Darvish on my staff I think we can roll without him for a year if signing him this year would prevent us from making a bigger signing next year.

My point is why spend the money on bullpen pieces at all if they aren't going to solidify the rotation.  If the Twins are going to bring up guys like Gonsalves, Romero, et. al.  to solidify the rotation then they might as well bring up the young arms to make the bullpen also and see what those guys have.  I am not totally against that method, but if that's what they are doing then just do it and get those pitchers some experience for 2 to 3 years down the road so they can be tough then. 

 

But if you are bringing in veteran relief pitchers for the next year or two then they need to bring in at least one starter like a Darvish to team up with Berrios and Santana to make a formidable front of the rotation with guys like Gibson, Mejia, Hughes, May(when healthy), Gonsalves, Romero, Pineda(once healthy) to compete for the last two spots in the rotation.  If they don't get a guy like Darvish, Lynn, Cobb, etc.... then they pretty much wasted money on the bullpen arms in my opinion. 

 

That's why I think they are going after a starting pitcher to try to compete to win the division next year and maybe go a little farther into the playoffs.  Which is possible if they can win the division, you never know what injuries the Astros or the Yankees will have happen during the year.  Toronto and Seattle both looked pretty tough last year until guys started going down with injuries. 

 

So with this lineup and now a decent bullpen, if they get a good starter for the front of the rotation like Darvish they then can potentially win the division, maybe this year with all of the guys leaving Cleveland, and potentially for a few years to come as those young guys come up over the next two years to replace guys like Santana, Hughes, Gibson, etc....

 

Again Just my opinion, why spend the money on relief if you don't have the rotation to get you there??   

[notoriousgod71]

 

Darvish.

 

This team has plenty of mid-rotation guys as it is, they need quality, not quantity. 

 

2018 WC matchup Tuesday Oct 2:

 

Twins: Lynn (0-0)

 

at

 

Red Sox: Sale (0-0)

 

Gross. Looks like another early exit.

 

 

Twins: Lynn (11-10 4.52 ERA)

 

at Red Sox: Sale (21-4 2.31 ERA)

[notoriousgod71]

 

 

Mauer.

 

Erv?