Article: Miguel Sano, Ervin Santana Named All-Stars

[Seth Stohs]

On Sunday night, 2017 MLB All-Stars were named. The Minnesota Twins will be represented by two players. Ervin Santana and Miguel Sano will head to Miami next week as All Stars.Miguel Sano had been leading fan voting until the final week when Cleveland's Jose Ramirez (and Toronto's Josh Donaldson) passed him. Some are demanding a recount. Nevertheless, Sano will be going to Miami as a reserve.

 

Ervin Santana has had a difficult month of June, but he was quite deserving of being named an All-Star. He has the league's fourth lowest ERA (3.07), fifth lowest WHIP (1.09), and the second lowest batting average against (.204).

 

 

Sano will also participate in the Home Run Derby.

 

 

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[jimmer]

Sano is definitely worthy of being a reserve and these two were the only two Twins that one could argue a case for making the team.

 

I still don't think Santana is worthy, but happy for him, my fellow Twins fans and fans of the ERA stat :-)

Edited July 2, 2017 by jimmer

[jimmer]

Interesting that the NL pitching staff has 6 relievers and the AL team only has 3 (and Betances is undeserving) .

 

Devenski, Parker and Osunu must be feeling very slighted.

Edited July 3, 2017 by jimmer

[Seth Stohs]

#VoteKintzler

[mikelink45]

That's nice, but I lost interest in All Star contests in all sports long ago.  In the ancient days the all stars played the game, now it is like little leagues - everyone has to get into the game and by the end you have no idea who the real all stars were.  

[jimmer]

 

That's nice, but I lost interest in All Star contests in all sports long ago.  In the ancient days the all stars played the game, now it is like little leagues - everyone has to get into the game and by the end you have no idea who the real all stars were.  

Not everyone selected gets to play in the game.  Just sayin'.

 

But it doesn't mean anything except for the fans to enjoy seeing their players.

[Squirrel]

Congrats to Miguel and Ervin. I likely won't watch the game, but I'm pleased with the good representation.

[Vanimal46]

 

Congrats to Miguel and Ervin. I likely won't watch the game, but I'm pleased with the good representation.

 

Sums up my thoughts perfectly. Hopefully this is the start of many All-Star seasons for Sano. 

[gunnarthor]

Good for both and both are deserving. And, more importantly, my pre-season prediction that Sano would be an all-star was correct!

[bluechipper]

Very surprised Betances made the team over Chris Devenski. Betances has walked 21 guys in 26 innings, has a much worse ERA, and has pitched about half the innings of Devenski.

[bluechipper]

I was also a little surprised at first that Michael Brantley made the team, even though the AL doesn't have a lot of great outfielders to choose from. I would've given the spot to Khris Davis instead.

[yarnivek1972]

Regarding the map, y'all realize that you can vote from outside the United States, right?

[70charger]

Regarding the map, y'all realize that you can vote from outside the United States, right?

Speaking for myself, Miguel Sanó got a bunch of votes from Mexico.

[Mike Sixel]

congrats to them both!

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Speaking for myself, I ran up those vote totals for Sanó in the NY/Boston area.

[Thrylos]

Glad for both.  Hope this increases Santana's value as a trading chip.

[yarnivek1972]

That's nice, but I lost interest in All Star contests in all sports long ago. In the ancient days the all stars played the game, now it is like little leagues - everyone has to get into the game and by the end you have no idea who the real all stars were.

In the ancient days the "all stars" were the same guys year after year no matter who actually was performing.

[mikelink45]

 

Not everyone selected gets to play in the game.  Just sayin'.

 

But it doesn't mean anything except for the fans to enjoy seeing their players.

I understand and I am happy for the fans who enjoy the game.  I like the exercise of naming the team and that is it.  In the old days of Mays, Williams, Aaron, etc. they did more than play the first three innings with the front line all stars.  Now the replacements play more than the starters.    Imagine a game like 1941 when Ted Williams goes 1 for 4 and hits a gaming winning home run in the 9th.  http://www.baseball-almanac.com/asgbox/07081941.shtml

 

By that time today's all star starters are catching their plane home.  http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/155065792/v6448299/1941-asg-ted-williams-walkoff-home-run

 

Those early games were played with intensity and each side wanted to really be the best, no world series home stand on the line, just the fun of the game.  I am less excited by the reason decades.  

[gunnarthor]

At the break, Santana is #2 in IP, 4th in ERA, 5th in ERA+, 6th in WAR, 1st in both CG and SHO, 5th in WHIP and 7th in WPA. Seems like a reasonable pick for the all-star game.

[jimmer]

23rd in FIP, tied for 20th in fWAR, 13th in QS%, 27th in K%.

[spinowner]

 

Glad for both.  Hope this increases Santana's value as a trading chip.

Every GM/CBO (chief baseball officer) will make any trade involving any player at any time if he/she feels it will be a net gain for the organization. The Twins could probably come out ahead by trading Santana before August 1, but it all depends on the offer. This will be an interesting 4 weeks.

[Mr. Brooks]

23rd in FIP, tied for 20th in fWAR, 13th in QS%, 27th in K%.

IMO, the All-star game should be awarded based on results that actually happened. FIP and fWAR should have zero bearing on an all star argument.

The K rate is a legit concern though.

[gunnarthor]

 

23rd in FIP, tied for 20th in fWAR, 13th in QS%, 27th in K%.

fip and fwar are tied together. I think there's enough doubt about fip out there to go with b-ref for most. k% is 24th on fangraphs (not that there' that much difference) but pretty good pitchers can still live in that area. Gotta admit, I didn't know they tracked QS%.

[jimmer]

 

fip and fwar are tied together. I think there's enough doubt about fip out there to go with b-ref for most. k% is 24th on fangraphs (not that there' that much difference) but pretty good pitchers can still live in that area. Gotta admit, I didn't know they tracked QS%.

just like ERA and bWAR are tied together and plenty have serious issues with ERA too.

[jimmer]

 

IMO, the All-star game should be awarded based on results that actually happened. FIP and fWAR should have zero bearing on an all star argument.
The K rate is a legit concern though.

Ah, yes the results that actually happened.  The results (ERA) that evaluate pitchers' performance by taking into account not only what the pitcher did, but what his defense (to include the catcher who is half the battery) did too. Got it.

 

Some might consider that a team effort and not just a pitcher's effort.  

 

Then there are the judgments of official scorers that get considered too. 

 

As a fan of the Twins, I AM glad Santana got in though.  I just think there are more deserving candidates not only in the starter department, but the reliever department as well.

Edited July 4, 2017 by jimmer

[drjim]

fip and fwar are tied together. I think there's enough doubt about fip out there to go with b-ref for most. k% is 24th on fangraphs (not that there' that much difference) but pretty good pitchers can still live in that area. Gotta admit, I didn't know they tracked QS%.

I think fip is a great stat, but I wouldn't consider it when selecting an all star. I would definitely consider k rate though, but that would still go behind ip and era.