Turley

[Otto von Ballpark]

Actually, Wimmers was the 26th man during the last doubleheader, not Wilk. Wimmers is eligible to come up now.

That's what I said, 26th man appearances aren't subject to the 10 day rule.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Update: Darren Wolfson is reporting that Wimmers is getting called up again.

Now Wolfson is retracting that:

 

https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/878077982656663552

[Danchat]

 

 

Darren Wolfson ✔ @DWolfsonKSTP

SOURCE: Reliever Trevor Hildenberger on his way up to the #MNTwins. I am reading this text right even with the mono still in my system.

I still don't know how to post tweets.

 

It looks like it'll be Hildenberger over Wimmers. It's great to see both Busenitz and Hildy have been rewarded for their AAA success. If only these guys could start...

[yarnivek1972]

Adding Hildenberger will require a 40 man transaction. Hughes to 60 day finally? He's already missed more than 30.

[Danchat]

 

Adding Hildenberger will require a 40 man transaction. Hughes to 60 day finally? He's already missed more than 30.

Turley being DFA'd would solve it nicely. Hughes is probably going to be ready within 10-14 days.

[kab21]

 

Lets get real. We came into the season looking at Santana, Santiago, Hughes, May, Gibson as the starting rotation with Berrios and Mejia in the minors. In case of emergency we had Wheeler who put up decent numbers for a couple years at AAA but didnt project well, and Gonsalves hopefully would be ready by mid-season. None of that counted AAAA filler we have also thrown at the wall.

From that list, we lost May all season, Gonsalves lost time and development, Santiago and Hughes also went down injured and Gibson was so bad we sent him down for a while. Really? You're calling the FO inept because they threw Turley out there when he had been tearing it up in AAA for us? I would a lot rather give him three rips at it then see the likes of pitchers like Wilk anymore. I guess now we will send him down and Heston is next? Hopefully Santiago is ready to come back and we dont have to see that yet...

and this is why you can't have enough pitching and there should be no outrage if a prospect starts the year in the minors. Every year people are upset that somebody is 'blocked' and every year Twins are cycling through AAAA arms by June/July.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Turley being DFA'd would solve it nicely. Hughes is probably going to be ready within 10-14 days.

I'd DFA Wimmers, virtually no chance he is claimed. Turley would almost certainly get claimed, if only to get a pen audition somewhere.

[Dr. Evil]

I see no reason to pile on the collective new front office at this point. Gripe about the past leadership and the problems they left. Fine. But, to cast such large stones this early in the game just strikes me as irrational and frankly, boorish.

[yarnivek1972]

Turley being DFA'd would solve it nicely. Hughes is probably going to be ready within 10-14 days.

That's what I get for not being around last night. I hadn't even heard that Hughes had started throwing.

[70charger]

 

I'd DFA Wimmers, virtually no chance he is claimed. Turley would almost certainly get claimed, if only to get a pen audition somewhere.

 

Either way, it doesn't seem like the choice will be that hard.

[LaBombo]

It was Turley's turn. 3/5 of the projected opening day rotation is on the DL.

 

Let me know what MLB team has 8 or more MLB starters.

 

It sure is easy to complain. What's your alternative? Specific. Or it's meaningless.

I'm not ready to form any opinion of Turley, or of Falvey and Co. for that matter. And I'm not terribly concerned about the back end of the rotation because the Twins aren't going to the postseason without buying tickets.

 

But I'm having a hard time understanding how it's some sort of unforeseen, unavoidable, earth-struck-by-meteor cataclysm when the 3-4-5 spots in the rotation have been an absolute disaster because of injuries to a reliever and two very bad 2016 starters, one of whom spent over half of that season on the disabled list.

[Bark's Lounge]

 

Because he throws 95 from the left side with a good breaking ball that he hasn't had a feel for up here. There's no denying that he's been horrible up here, but there's a ton of talent in that left arm. 

Come on Brandon. The guy played Indy Ball last year. He's not a prospect.

 

I'm not saying he could not be a surprise at some juncture in the future, but defending a guy coming off a Independent Baseball Stint a year ago and playing at Chattanooga and Rochester this year. That's ludicrous.

[Brandon Warne]

 

Come on Brandon. The guy played Indy Ball last year. He's not a prospect.

 

I'm not saying he could not be a surprise at some juncture in the future, but defending a guy coming off a Independent Baseball Stint a year ago and playing at Chattanooga and Rochester this year. That's ludicrous.

 

I know he isn't a prospect. But it's clear he has the talent to help this team. Personally, I've said it was out of the bullpen since I talked to a Chattanooga contact back in May. But they really had no choice but to give him a spin in the rotation based on how things are. I think he'll be a useful reliever this year if they get him back up here. 

[Bark's Lounge]

 

I know he isn't a prospect. But it's clear he has the talent to help this team. Personally, I've said it was out of the bullpen since I talked to a Chattanooga contact back in May. But they really had no choice but to give him a spin in the rotation based on how things are. I think he'll be a useful reliever this year if they get him back up here. 

I'm gonna hold you to that (the reliever bit). Using that as my opening, you bring forth great info and you are a very knowledgable baseball man.

 

That's my tip of the cap to you Sir.

[jokin]

 

I'm not ready to form any opinion of Turley, or of Falvey and Co. for that matter. And I'm not terribly concerned about the back end of the rotation because the Twins aren't going to the postseason without buying tickets.

But I'm having a hard time understanding how it's some sort of unforeseen, unavoidable, earth-struck-by-meteor cataclysm when the 3-4-5 spots in the rotation have been an absolute disaster because of injuries to a reliever and two very bad 2016 starters, one of whom spent over half of that season on the disabled list.

 

Trading two SPs for one SP to the Angels didn't exactly help the depth chart, either. Speaking of the Angels, they just released Doug Fister.... Steamer actually projects that he would be the Twins 3rd best starter...

[HitInAPinch]

 

I guess I don't know what some expect at this point. They didn't sign anyone in the winter for the rotation. 1 MLB contract was offered with Belisle. They're going to have to keep throwing darts at the board picking up random pitchers off the waiver wire, or trade a couple of prospects to acquire an MLB caliber arm.

Sad, but so true....

 

I'm at least a little hopeful that the callup of Gee and Hildenberger will be helpful.  

[Richie the Rally Goat]

It was Turley's turn. 3/5 of the projected opening day rotation is on the DL.

 

Let me know what MLB team has 8 or more MLB starters.

 

It sure is easy to complain. What's your alternative? Specific. Or it's meaningless.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/163495284/mlb-teams-need-starting-pitching-depth/

 

In 2015 an average MLB team used 10.9 starting pitchers, and every team used 8 or more.

 

8 is the minimum requirement, and this team didn't start with 5

[old nurse]

 

I see no reason to pile on the collective new front office at this point. Gripe about the past leadership and the problems they left. Fine. But, to cast such large stones this early in the game just strikes me as irrational and frankly, boorish.

How long have you been reading Twins Daily? People complain. It does not take much. Anything less than perfect. It is what it is.

[DaveW]

Any reason you left out the "good breaking ball" part?

Yeah, because it's not good! 4.33 era in AAA 16 ERA in MLB, that means his "stuff" isn't good

[yarnivek1972]

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/163495284/mlb-teams-need-starting-pitching-depth/

 

In 2015 an average MLB team used 10.9 starting pitchers, and every team used 8 or more.

 

8 is the minimum requirement, and this team didn't start with 5

And how did those 8th, 9th, 10th, etc starters do?

 

That's what I thought.

[Otto von Ballpark]

In fairness to Turley, this could have been avoided if they planned ahead and gave him a few low leverage bullpen looks a month ago.  Either he struggles then and you know not to give him 3 starts in a pennant race, or more optimistically he gets his feet wet, makes some adjustments, and doesn't do quite so poorly in his starts.

 

Either way, it illustrates another cost to pointlessly rostering guys with no future like Wimmers for awhile.  Or more egregiously, Breslow for the last couple months.

[zenser]

I think Turley can be a reliable bullpen arm.  Nothing more than that.  I was glad he got a chance to start, but it is clear that they need to look elsewhere.

 

I would rather have Fister over Gee in the rotation now.  I would not be surprised if they gave him a look.  Did Vogelsong sign with anyone after spring training?  (Man, those are terrible options).

[bighat]

 

I feel bad for him. I do. He wasn't ready. Not close to ready.

 

Turley turns 28 in a couple months, if he hasn't figured it out by now he probably never will. I'm guessing he may get a chance in September and ST next year, but barring a miracle his time in MLB is done. That said, good for him. He did what 99.9% of other hopefuls never do - pitch in the bigs. It'll be a cool story for his kids and grandkids someday.

[ashbury]

I know he isn't a prospect. But it's clear he has the talent to help this team.

No, he doesn't. He has the stuff. But he lacks the command.

 

If you're going to take a flyer on a guy from Indy ball, sure, take the guy with that profile, instead of the reverse. At age 27 he's probably not going to learn something that improves his stuff. Maybe you can teach him something that improves his command.

 

But it's not likely, and based on what we saw of him in the majors I can't fathom how it looked to evaluators as though he could succeed, when he was apparently getting AA batters out on pitches that won't get major leaguers to go fishing.

[ashbury]

I see no reason to pile on the collective new front office at this point. Gripe about the past leadership and the problems they left. Fine. But, to cast such large stones this early in the game just strikes me as irrational and frankly, boorish.

How long have you been reading Twins Daily? People complain. It does not take much. Anything less than perfect. It is what it is.

Moderator's note: That's enough of the critiquing of fellow posters, from both sides. Stick to the topic.

[Doomtints]

Looks like Gee is being called up sooner rather than later. This means it's unlikely he goes to the rotation as he would need to be stretched out first.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I see no reason to pile on the collective new front office at this point. Gripe about the past leadership and the problems they left. Fine. But, to cast such large stones this early in the game just strikes me as irrational and frankly, boorish.

 

What did they do, at all, to fix the SP this off season?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Looks like Gee is being called up sooner rather than later. This means it's unlikely he goes to the rotation as he would need to be stretched out first.

Gee spent the first 2 months of the season starting, and has spent the last month pitching 3-4 innings (up to 83 pitches) per appearance for the Rangers.  I doubt he requires too much "stretching out" to start in the near future -- maybe they don't push him to 100 pitches, but 70-80 would be a likely target (and I'm guessing effectiveness might be a bigger factor in getting him to that point).

 

I assume that with Gee added today, Santiago must be on track to make his next start, so I'd assume Gee is available for long relief for the next few days, and will get a start in the doubleheader next Saturday.

[DaveW]

What did they do, at all, to fix the SP this off season?

Besides getting the best pitch framing catcher money can buy ?

 

Yeah the front org completely botched their first off season.

 

I'm not ready to throw in the towel, but IMO it was definitely a failure.

[Dr. Evil]

What did they do, at all, to fix the SP this off season?

I'm not saying that they did anything. My point is that I would rather they drive the car for a bit prior to replacing parts. They haven't had the keys for even a half a season yet.