Turley

[old nurse]

 

Mine was not an analysis of the Angels pitching woes. The Twins have plenty of their own and the sad fact remains- taking a shot at Fister is likely a better alternative than anything that the Twins have currently healthy and available. (Fister's #s are PCL inflated, too)

Fister did not pitch well enough in 3 minor legue games to cause a team to move on from under  performing  pitchers   An average of 88 mph fastball without the control he used to have will nor give the team much of a chance.  There is no upside to Fister. There isn't a future.

 

Using Steamer as justification for a signing. If you do not like that I used the Angels pitchers to show you the value of steamer, Nik Turley by steamer predictions is a better pitcher than Fister

[kab21]

 

Well, looking ahead to next year the Twins need to replace 4/5th of their pitching staff.

 

We have Berrios.

 

Santana will be in walk season. Which is why he might be a better bargain and bring more back this season, but leaves us hanging.

 

Phil Hughes will be an expensive bullpen arm. Depending on what he does in 2016, cut bait.

 

Hector Santiago will be a free agent. He should be shining this season.

 

Kyle Gibson is not worth the time or money.

 

Sp who do you have? Do you GIVE some guys a break this season and let them get bombed (as you do to Turley and Wilk). Gonsalves. Jorge. Romero, Hurlbut. Slegers. Eades. These will be the guys pitching here at some point next year.

 

We always have Mejia to fall abck to. And Trevor May will be on the road to recovery, but getting him to reach 100 innings would be a modest goal.

One point of clarification. The Twins have a team option on Ervin for 2019. He is old and at some point he is no longer decent but he isn't in a walk season.

 

The plan has to be to sign or trade for a good starter. Be aggressive and get it done.

 

Berrios/Santana/FA(trade) gives you 60% of the rotation

 

This year find out if one of Hughes or Mejia are answers for next year. Mejia has promise and Hughes doesn't have much. And Gibson looks unlikely although he has thrown only 2 stinkers and 4 QS since returning. Progress I guess.

 

The fifth spot is still pretty shaky but Gonsalves or Romero look to be ready around midseason and could claim. Neither is ready right now to be promoted and wouldn't benefit from getting bombed this year. I would like to see one or both up in August in the bullpen to get their feet wet though.

 

Still shaky but progress.

[h2oface]

 

I think you're being pretty hard on the Front Office of a team that is has won 15 more games than they had at this point last season.  

 

My opinion is the FO knew last year's team was better than the record they had.  They also knew this team still isn't a real contender and blowing money on relievers wasn't the answer.  So instead of going out and grabbing expensive bullpen arms which likely would have commanded multiple year contracts which would have hindered the youth movement.  They decided to wait and use the plug and play method. 

 

Mason Melotakis has been promoted to AAA and likely needs a few more innings there and will come up.

 

I guess the FO is still a mystery, eh?

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Well, looking ahead to next year the Twins need to replace 4/5th of their pitching staff.

 

We have Berrios.

 

Santana will be in walk season. Which is why he might be a better bargain and bring more back this season, but leaves us hanging.

 

Phil Hughes will be an expensive bullpen arm. Depending on what he does in 2016, cut bait.

 

Hector Santiago will be a free agent. He should be shining this season.

 

Kyle Gibson is not worth the time or money.

 

Sp who do you have? Do you GIVE some guys a break this season and let them get bombed (as you do to Turley and Wilk). Gonsalves. Jorge. Romero, Hurlbut. Slegers. Eades. These will be the guys pitching here at some point next year.

 

We always have Mejia to fall abck to. And Trevor May will be on the road to recovery, but getting him to reach 100 innings would be a modest goal.

you also need 3-4 solid pretty much ready to be 5th starter types in AAA as well. Looks more like 6/8 as I think two of Turley, Gonsalves, Jorge, Romero could show signs of being close

[jorgenswest]

The supply of pitchers that are number 5 or near number 5 quality isn't so big that other than the Dodgers teams aren't going to have a AAA rotation filled with them. That might be an argument why you don't give up on Duffey as a starting pitcher a year after he had the best xFIP and SIERA among Twin starters. Starting pitchers are in very short supply. They didn't do it, but bullpen pieces for the 6th/7th inning are easier to find.

[old nurse]

 

The supply of pitchers that are number 5 or near number 5 quality isn't so big that other than the Dodgers teams aren't going to have a AAA rotation filled with them. That might be an argument why you don't give up on Duffey as a starting pitcher a year after he had the best xFIP and SIERA among Twin starters. Starting pitchers are in very short supply. They didn't do it, but bullpen pieces for the 6th/7th inning are easier to find.

It is the 4-5 bullpen arms that are the problem, not the 6-7. Duffy and Rogers got a little too much work as the 2-3. Breslow should be just LOGY but he is not used that way.  Belisle  has blown a few chances to keep a game close. Ideally your 6-7 not 4-5 guy.

[Guest]

Going into the season, management must have expected bullpen help between now and August from Chargois, Burdi, Jay and Reed (major injury, major injury, major injury and injury, respectively). Gotta give them a mulligan on that strategy. If they had signed a bunch of relievers to big deals (Brett Cecil @ $7.5M for 4, anybody) and the big four had stayed healthy, people would be screaming about bad veterans blocking the talented young guys. More of the relievers that were signed this winter have been bad than good.

[jimbo92107]

Back to Nik Turley, his first three games give us little idea whether he will be any good in the majors. What we do know is that he was dominating in AA, and that when he appeared before big crowds for the first time, he looked very tense, and his pitches were all over the place. No way would he have dominated in the minors will that scattered pitching chart. 

 

Like a lot of rookies, Nik Turley may need to bounce up and down a few times before we really know if he's got the stuff to make it. That's just the way it goes with rookies. Remember Berrios. 

[DaveW]

I wouldn't exactly say he "dominated" in the minors, he had a 3.49 era in AAA so far and a career 4.5 era in AAA

 

They need to switch him to the pen, no way can this guy make it through a lineup 2-3 times.

[Twodogs]

Why on earth is he starting multiple games for a team that is currently in a playoff spot of the season ended today?

Just going off of what I have seen the most over the last few years; had the Twins started a guy like Gee or Doug Fister or some other re-treads everyone would be complaining that the Twins aren't giving any of their youngsters a chance? So yeah Turley got rocked, and needs to go back down, but in a way I'm glad they gave him a shot. Now on to Gee and a handful of other re-treads while some of the youngsters develop.

[Mr. Brooks]

Just going off of what I have seen the most over the last few years; had the Twins started a guy like Gee or Doug Fister or some other re-treads everyone would be complaining that the Twins aren't giving any of their youngsters a chance? So yeah Turley got rocked, and needs to go back down, but in a way I'm glad they gave him a shot. Now on to Gee and a handful of other re-treads while some of the youngsters develop.

Turley is not a youngster though. He is a retread.

That said, I have zero problem giving him a shot. Hell, I'd continue giving him shots until an actual prospect (Gonsalves/Romero) is ready, or until someone undoubtedly better is acquired.