Dozier Trade Discussion Thread

[Cory Engelhardt]

I believe Fanrag has Dozier as the #1 candidate to regress.  Braun who is also a rumored Dodgers potential target is listed too if I remember correctly.

I think most twins fans agree with this too, and are hoping to get a trade done this offseason as his value will NEVER be higher.

Listen, I love Dozier as a player. He isn't a 5.9 per year war player, but he is probably a 3 war player. And since the twins will have the best chance for other teams to pay them this offseason as if he is at least a 4 war player, now is the time. Make it happen!

[Otto von Ballpark]

I bet it would if you let the Dodgers twist in the wind until, say, mid-February. Wong plus for Alvarez would work, too.

Utley basically had the same production as Wong in 2016 by bWAR, so no, I don't think anyone will give up an elite prospect for Wong.

[King]

Chelsea Janes ‏@chelsea_janes  3m3 minutes ago
A person familiar with Nationals' thinking said they haven't made any serious inquiries on Twins' Dozier. No natural fit there.

[zchrz]

Giants getting creative?  Could they flip Panik to someone else for the kind of pitching we are seeking in a separate trade or 3 way deal?

[Cory Engelhardt]

As the two main pieces, who would you value higher?

1) De Leon and Stewart

2) Wacha and Weaver

 

I'm not certain either are offered. But, if it were 2 for 1, I'd lean the cardinals offer here. A Dozier trade, for me, would depend on a 3rd piece

[doscinco]

Wacha more likely to have a shoulder/elbow injury than being a productive pitcher again. He sucks.

[AZTwin]

I like the depth the cardinals have better. Alcantara and Perez would be good pieces and there's a number more that would make sense for both teams. I really do like Lux and Ruiz though so if dodgers offered them as the 3rd pieces with de Leon and Alvarez I might just take that. Cardinals have more options to make it work though

[Cory Engelhardt]

Wacha more likely to have a shoulder/elbow injury than being a productive pitcher again. He sucks.

Maybe, maybe not. He will be 26 next July, has not lost fastball velocity over a 4 year average of data, and has a larger gap between fastball and changeup than ever before. He is controlled for 3 more years, and has 3 season of at least 2 war so far.

What have his injury concerns been? Can what he has shown as struggles be fixable?

[doscinco]

He had shoulder problems in college and last year. He's also a 2 pitch pitcher, who the league figured out.

[diehardtwinsfan]

yeah, count me out on Wacha...  I'd be really interested in STL if Reyes was on the table.  Weaver is a nice prospect in his own rights.  He's not the K machine these other guys are, but he keeps his walks down as well, and he's very stingy with the home runs.  If they offered Reyes, Weaver, and some low A lotto tickets, I'd probably take it over DeLeon/Alvarez.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

yeah, count me out on Wacha...  I'd be really interested in STL if Reyes was on the table.  Weaver is a nice prospect in his own rights.  He's not the K machine these other guys are, but he keeps his walks down as well, and he's very stingy with the home runs.  If they offered Reyes, Weaver, and some low A lotto tickets, I'd probably take it over DeLeon/Alvarez.

 

Man, if St. Louis offered Reyes alone, I'd take that over De Leon/Alvarez.

 

I don't see Reyes on the table. I also don't think the Cardinals would be in a position to add real talent WITH Reyes.

[beckmt]

 

Man, if St. Louis offered Reyes alone, I'd take that over De Leon/Alvarez.

 

I don't see Reyes on the table. I also don't think the Cardinals would be in a position to add real talent WITH Reyes.

I also do not see Reyes on the table.  But I think St. Louis would have to have him headline the package to be competitive.  Mid level starters, Twins have plenty in their system.  I want #1, #2 upside starters, even if they are further away, but it would just take more of them to move me.

Still think Dozier has to be moved this offseason to move the needle and start the rebuild.

[Gheggs08]

 

I also do not see Reyes on the table.  But I think St. Louis would have to have him headline the package to be competitive.  Mid level starters, Twins have plenty in their system.  I want #1, #2 upside starters, even if they are further away, but it would just take more of them to move me.

Still think Dozier has to be moved this offseason to move the needle and start the rebuild.

The major difference between Reyes and JDL is that Reyes had a sub 2 ERA in 46 innings at the MLB level last year and looks to be a lights out back end of the bullpen guy at the very least. I don't think there is any chance Reyes is on the table

[InfraRen]

@markasaxon
I'm told the #STLCards are not actively pursuing Brian Dozier. That doesn't mean there hasn't been contact at some point, of course.

 

 

(Sorry about formatting.)

[DaveW]

@markasaxon

I'm told the #STLCards are not actively pursuing Brian Dozier. That doesn't mean there hasn't been contact at some point, of course.

 

 

(Sorry about formatting.)

Yup This confirms what I said a few times and my source implied as well. This was all "leaked" and "pushed" by the Twins to try to get a little leverage with the Dodgers.

 

Not a terrible plan though.

[InfraRen]

 

Yup This confirms what I said a few times and my source implied as well. This was all "leaked" and "pushed" by the Twins to try to get a little leverage with the Dodgers.

Not a terrible plan though.

Hope it did help at least.

 

Just want to see the De Leon and Alvarez thing come to fruition. 

[beckmt]

I hope that this moves.  According to mlbtraderumors, Yankees are heavy into Quintana and Robertson.  Wonder if that will pull Dodgers in that direction, only instead of Robertson, Dodgers just add White Sox 2B man and give the White Sox a better package.

[beckmt]

Can we appoint Doogie as chief shrill for the Twins front office.  Notice 1500 ESPN had Falvey on last night after 5 with Patrick.  Listened a little, but had other things to do.  Dozier was not discussed while I had it on.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I hope that this moves.  According to mlbtraderumors, Yankees are heavy into Quintana and Robertson.  Wonder if that will pull Dodgers in that direction, only instead of Robertson, Dodgers just add White Sox 2B man and give the White Sox a better package.

I don't think the White Sox have a worthwhile 2B on their roster (Lawrie, Saladino, Sanchez).

[King]

It seems to me the original info that came out about the Cards, Giants, and a few other teams was possibly a ploy to get the Dodgers to think other teams are interested. Now that a few days are going by, and individual beat reporters of those teams have talked to people within their organizations and they are being ruled out one by one.

 

 

TODAY: St. Louis is not “actively” working to acquire Dozier, per ESPN.com’s Mark Saxon (via Twitter).

 

YESTERDAY, 8:55pm: Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post tweets that the Nationals haven’t made any “serious” inquiries in Dozier. That could suggest that the Nats at least did some due diligence and checked in on the asking price, but with no natural fit for Dozier in D.C., it doesn’t seem they’re in hot pursuit. For those speculating on other possible landing spots for Dozier, FanRag’s Jon Heyman tweets that the Braves aren’t in on Dozier, and Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press tweets that the Athletics aren’t in play either.

 

3:56pm: The Cardinals and Nationals are both among the teams showing interest in Twins second baseman Brian Dozier, 1500 ESPN’s Darren Wolfson reports (Twitter link).  The Cardinals are “very much in” the mix for the slugger, while the Nats “remain in dialogue” with the Twins.  The Dodgers and Giants, two clubs previously connected to Dozier (moreso Los Angeles), are also still involved, though the Giants are “trying to get creative” to make a deal work, as per Wolfson.

[Oxtung]

It seems to me the original info that came out about the Cards, Giants, and a few other teams was possibly a ploy to get the Dodgers to think other teams are interested. Now that a few days are going by, and individual beat reporters of those teams have talked to people within their organizations and they are being ruled out one by one.

 

 

TODAY: St. Louis is not “actively” working to acquire Dozier, per ESPN.com’s Mark Saxon (via Twitter).

 

YESTERDAY, 8:55pm: Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post tweets that the Nationals haven’t made any “serious” inquiries in Dozier. That could suggest that the Nats at least did some due diligence and checked in on the asking price, but with no natural fit for Dozier in D.C., it doesn’t seem they’re in hot pursuit. For those speculating on other possible landing spots for Dozier, FanRag’s Jon Heyman tweets that the Braves aren’t in on Dozier, and Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press tweets that the Athletics aren’t in play either.

 

3:56pm: The Cardinals and Nationals are both among the teams showing interest in Twins second baseman Brian Dozier, 1500 ESPN’s Darren Wolfson reports (Twitter link).  The Cardinals are “very much in” the mix for the slugger, while the Nats “remain in dialogue” with the Twins.  The Dodgers and Giants, two clubs previously connected to Dozier (moreso Los Angeles), are also still involved, though the Giants are “trying to get creative” to make a deal work, as per Wolfson.

I agree with your assessment, mostly because nobody else seems to have a nice clean fit, but even if those other teams were interested it behooves them to claim they are not. All that admitting your interested does is alert the Dodgers who could then theoretically up their offer causing you to miss out on Dozier. Better to claim no interest at this point and come in with an unexpected offer and hopefully steal a Dozier out from under the Dodgers.

[Twinfan & Dad]

Let's not forget The Twins had 32 wins at the All Star break with Dozier hitting under .250 and 14 bombs. After the break he hit close to .300 with 28 bombs but the Twins won less games. His production occurred when the Twins weren't playing for anything but roster spots and individual stats. Dozier's 2nd half explosion did not translate to wins. At times he stunk along with the rest of the lineup pre all star break. For us to say he was the best of a bad bunch is a more accurate description. I have faith in the new braintrust that they will receive 2 or 3 prospects that will be contributors in the next few years as we reload. Dodgers, Cards, Nats a team out of nowhere I don't care. Young pitchers are a crapshoot so you need to accumulate as much as you can to build a future staff.

[Gheggs08]

 

Let's not forget The Twins had 32 wins at the All Star break with Dozier hitting under .250 and 14 bombs. After the break he hit close to .300 with 28 bombs but the Twins won less games. His production occurred when the Twins weren't playing for anything but roster spots and individual stats. Dozier's 2nd half explosion did not translate to wins. At times he stunk along with the rest of the lineup pre all star break. For us to say he was the best of a bad bunch is a more accurate description. I have faith in the new braintrust that they will receive 2 or 3 prospects that will be contributors in the next few years as we reload. Dodgers, Cards, Nats a team out of nowhere I don't care. Young pitchers are a crapshoot so you need to accumulate as much as you can to build a future staff.

The Twins weren't playing for anything after they started 0-9, so to discredit his second half saying we weren't playing for anything is a little unfair IMO. He still hit 42 home runs, and was the first American League second baseman to ever hit 40 home runs..

[AZTwin]

I swear twins fans are the biggest woe is me crowd there is sometimes. We have a great player on our hands. Let's not undersell just because we look at the negatives as hard. If you look at it, all players have negatives. De Leon has major question marks as does Alvarez, and other prospects. We have a great major league player who is top 3 at his position. Let's not sell that short just because we have been ripped off in trades in the past

[Twinfan & Dad]

The Twins weren't playing for anything after they started 0-9, so to discredit his second half saying we weren't playing for anything is a little unfair IMO. He still hit 42 home runs, and was the first American League second baseman to ever hit 40 home runs

 

No disrespect intended.Simply his performance did not translate to more wins or to even a better pre and post all star split was the point. Great performance but not in the heat of a pennant race thus less pressure.

[doscinco]

Heyman:

 

"— It’s no surprise that some suggest the Dodgers are being “stingy” with their top prospects in talks for veteran players, as LA values their top minor leaguers high. They made the right calls to keep NL Rookie of the Year Corey Seager and lefty phenom Julio Urias. But they are willing to part with righty Jose De Leon for Dozier. They are not willing to include top first base prospect Cody Bellinger or top young pitchers Walker Buehler or Yadier Alvarez along with De Leon."

[Doomtints]

 

Heyman:

"— It’s no surprise that some suggest the Dodgers are being “stingy” with their top prospects in talks for veteran players, as LA values their top minor leaguers high. They made the right calls to keep NL Rookie of the Year Corey Seager and lefty phenom Julio Urias. But they are willing to part with righty Jose De Leon for Dozier. They are not willing to include top first base prospect Cody Bellinger or top young pitchers Walker Buehler or Yadier Alvarez along with De Leon."

 

There is no way any team ever trades off a guy like Bellinger. There is no scenario where that would ever happen regardless of what is offered. Heyman even mentioning Bellinger makes it sound like he doesn't know what he's talking about. 

[DaveW]

Yeah bellinger has never been on the table, I said this from day one. They don't want to trade away a guy who can be an impact player for them in 2017z

 

Alvarez they have included in the offer(s) he isn't a guy that would help them in 17/18 so they have been much more open to trading him.

[Squirrel]

Heyman:

"— It’s no surprise that some suggest the Dodgers are being “stingy” with their top prospects in talks for veteran players, as LA values their top minor leaguers high. They made the right calls to keep NL Rookie of the Year Corey Seager and lefty phenom Julio Urias. But they are willing to part with righty Jose De Leon for Dozier. They are not willing to include top first base prospect Cody Bellinger or top young pitchers Walker Buehler or Yadier Alvarez along with De Leon."

If this is true, then it doesn't surprise me there is no deal yet.

[AlwaysinModeration]

Yeah bellinger has never been on the table, I said this from day one. They don't want to trade away a guy who can be an impact player for them in 2017z

 

Alvarez they have included in the offer(s) he isn't a guy that would help them in 17/18 so they have been much more open to trading him.

Well, if I recall correctly, you were cagey that the offer was De Leon and either of two highly rated prospects. Then you came back that it was either Bellinger or Alvarez.