What 2nd half record saves Terry Ryan's job?

[Everyday Eddy]

The 2nd half wins pole shows that optimism is growing about the Twins going forward.    Does Terry Ryan's image make a comeback if the Twins' go over .500 after the break?    Or has too much damage been done over the years for him to redeem himself?

[wsnydes]

To little to late for me.  I'm ready for a change even if they win every single game the rest of the way.  I'd argue that several of the moves he was forced to make in the last two weeks due to injury should have been done at least a month ago injury or not.

[Blake]

60-15

[Mike Sixel]

for me, or for the FO?

 

I think there is close to a zero percent chance he's gone after this year.

 

I do not believe he is the right person, long term, for this team. Moving Sano to 3B was the last straw for me. So, there is no record they could have if I was the FO.

[FormerMinnasotan]

I think a .500 record saves Ryan's job, sadly. This is the Minnesota Twins after all. Jim Pohlad should pull the plug on Terry Ryan regardless, but he won't if the Twins play better as Pohlad likes to keep the same "status quo" his dad Carl did for years. There is a reason the Twins FO is known as "the good ole boys club".

[Everyday Eddy]

 

for me, or for the FO?

 

I think there is close to a zero percent chance he's gone after this year.

 

I do not believe he is the right person, long term, for this team. Moving Sano to 3B was the last straw for me. So, there is no record they could have if I was the FO.

 

I guess I would say I'm more looking to discover if Twins Daily members can be swayed by a good 2nd half

[Vanimal46]

There's a lot of optimistic momentum going into the AS break... And for people like me who want TR gone after this season, I'm starting to get worried that it won't happen. 

For the Pohlad's, I'm afraid if the Twins sniff a winning percentage between 40-50% in the 2nd half, they'll justify retaining TR & the gang. 

[wsnydes]

 

There's a lot of optimistic momentum going into the AS break... And for people like me who want TR gone after this season, I'm starting to get worried that it won't happen. 

For the Pohlad's, I'm afraid if the Twins sniff a winning percentage between 40-50% in the 2nd half, they'll justify retaining TR & the gang. 

This is my concern as well.  I think this also applies to Molitor.

 

I'm not even convinced moves will be made if they continue their 1st half pace.  Any improvement on that pace only makes me more afraid.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I guess I would say I'm more looking to discover if Twins Daily members can be swayed by a good 2nd half

 

Fair....I can't.

[Mike Sixel]

 

This is my concern as well.  I think this also applies to Molitor.

 

I'm not even convinced moves will be made if they continue their 1st half pace.  Any improvement on that pace only makes me more afraid.

 

The owner was just quoted as saying he saw nothing wrong with how Molitor is doing his job......so, ya.

[amjgt]

.600 ball saves everyone's job

.400 to .600 saves Molitor but not TR

Under .400 and everyone's gone.

[ScottN]

 

The 2nd half wins pole shows that optimism is growing about the Twins going forward.    Does Terry Ryan's image make a comeback if the Twins' go over .500 after the break?    Or has too much damage been done over the years for him to redeem himself?

I disagree with the premise that Ryan's job is in danger.  He is, at his request, on a series of one year contracts.  Ryan is close to retirement anyway.  My guess is that he and the Pohlads will do whatever is in the best interest of the team.  Ryan is nothing if not a team player.  Should either he or ownership decide a change is in order, a a graceful, dignified transition will be afforded and deserved.

[Wookiee of the Year]

My prediction is 100 losses is the threshold for TR to keep his job, and the Twins are keeping Molitor no matter what. (Yes, I think the Pohlads are more likely to keep Molitor than Ryan at this point.) So 31-43 the rest of the way means Ryan keeps his job. [EDIT: Or maybe I should say "for TR to return"; I agree that it will be a dignified exit if and when TR does leave, and no one will use the word "fired."]

 

For me, personally? I'm ready to move on from Ryan and would be happy to bring in someone new. But if the Twins play .500 ball the rest of the way OR play at a 90 win pace in September and finish legitimately strong, then I'll agree that it's justified that the Pohlads are keeping Ryan around.

[Champuckett]

TR is irredeemable to me on a personal level right now and has been for years.

 

TR's job is safe from the owners in almost all cases unless they lose a staggering 60-75% of the remaining games, which is looking less likely at this point.  Pals don't fire pals.

[gunnarthor]

Barring a huge turn around, the final record will be a disappointment.  Whether it's 70-92 or 60-102 the season was not good.  However, I still think the biggest problems for this team were coaching related, not organizational talent.  So I think most of the ire should go to Molitor and the staff although the players themselves shouldn't get a free pass, either.  Since I'm one of the few who thought everything up until this year was going pretty much as I thought it would, I'm more in Ryan's camp.  

 

But I really want Molitor gone.  That said, the comments from the Pohlad family seem to suggest the opposite is more likely.  

 

 

[old nurse]

A quote from Pohlad from a recent strib

 

“Well, like anybody, and maybe I jumped the gun saying that about Paul, I mean we have to figure out what we’re doing wrong, what we’re doing wrong in the system,” Pohlad said. “If that points to the need to change personnel, I guess I would have to say we’d look at everything. But there has been no identification of anything like that. We’re beginning to discuss the process of how we examine doing things throughout our system.”

 

The staff fix what they are doing wrong or they get a new staff. Step one is to identify the problem.  I highly doubt they will say much more than that on the subject, or on the process, much less the solutions.

[Vanimal46]

Barring a huge turn around, the final record will be a disappointment. Whether it's 70-92 or 60-102 the season was not good. However, I still think the biggest problems for this team were coaching related, not organizational talent. So I think most of the ire should go to Molitor and the staff although the players themselves shouldn't get a free pass, either. Since I'm one of the few who thought everything up until this year was going pretty much as I thought it would, I'm more in Ryan's camp.

 

But I really want Molitor gone. That said, the comments from the Pohlad family seem to suggest the opposite is more likely.

I have reservations about whether a baseball lifer who's about to be 60 years old can develop on the job... He probably shouldn't be in good graces with the fans with the coaching errors he's made.

 

The bigger fish to fry IMO is the FO. We're a couple years overdue on letting TR go.

[Winston Smith]

IMO zero chance Terry or Paul get fired. 27% chance Terry retires. 4 out of 5 years with over 90 losses would get any other GM fired but not the Twins Country Club.

 

Terry will get the payroll down in the Dome era range to maintain a good profit which is all that's really important.

[clutterheart]

This job is Ryan's for as long as he wants it.

 

Ryan's has to know that his legacy is trashed so he will probably want a few more years to try and turn this around before he slinks out the door.  

[nicksaviking]

 

The owner was just quoted as saying he saw nothing wrong with how Molitor is doing his job......so, ya.

 

Two paragraphs later he backtracked on that though. I don't think Pohlad knows what he will do, but the fact that he's talking about it after NOT talking about it for half a decade is a good step.

 

Perhaps a good 2nd half will allow Ryan to feel as though he "righted the ship" and he'll be OK with the idea of retirement. Of course that makes it all the more likely a replacement is internal.

[Mike Sixel]

 

This job is Ryan's for as long as he wants it.

 

Ryan's has to know that his legacy is trashed so he will probably want a few more years to try and turn this around before he slinks out the door.  

 

Other than the use of "slink", I agree with this. I think he'll want at least 1 more year to get the team into the playoffs (or at least over .500 and "in great position for Rob to take it from here".).

[Mike Sixel]

 

Two paragraphs later he backtracked on that though. I don't think Pohlad knows what he will do, but the fact that he's talking about it after NOT talking about it for half a decade is a good step.

 

Perhaps a good 2nd half will allow Ryan to feel as though he "righted the ship" and he'll be OK with the idea of retirement. Of course that makes it all the more likely a replacement is internal.

 

Apparently  I stopped reading in disgust, and should have kept going. Or my brain was out of space, or something, thanks,

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

My prediction is 100 losses is the threshold for TR to keep his job

It does feel like the Twins took some pride in avoid 100 losses in each of the last four Gardy years -- who can forget those final 2 wins with our backs up against the wall at 99 losses in 2011?

 

So if anything were to happen (most likely TR retirement), I think we'd have to hit 100 losses.  Silly as it sounds to pin it on a round number, that would look like a step below those last Gardy years, rather than a 90-some loss even step back.  Although TR may want another year to turn it around too, like Tom Kelly circa 2001.

[Mr. Brooks]

Ryan and Mollie are tied at the hip, at least for 1 more year.

I don't know why some in here are giving them separate parameters.

 

Ryan is not going to fire a local HOF legend like Mollie after 2 years.

A new GM from outside the organization isn't going to keep Mollie around.

Now, I guess if the new GM is promoted from within that could be a situation where 1 stays and one goes. But, that would be a meaningless change.

[lukeduke1980]

 

Terry will get the payroll down in the Dome era range to maintain a good profit which is all that's really important.

I think this will be an interesting thing to monitor and I can see TR being assigned to reduce payroll because revenue was reduced, classic Carl Pohlad style of tail wagging the dog at least in a baseball sense of the mid-90s Twins.

 

Ironically if it meant trading Plouffe, Millone, Nolasco for anything, and Dozier and Santana also for the right returns I think we'd all be fine with it.

 

I would think if TR thought he's on the way out, we should see extensions soon for Suzuki, Nunez, Abad and another one for Hughes.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Now, I guess if the new GM is promoted from within that could be a situation where 1 stays and one goes. But, that would be a meaningless change.

Meaningless, but probably the most likely change.  (Although less likely than no change.)

[HitInAPinch]

Trust me, Terry is going nowhere.  

 

Or not  

[old nurse]

 

I have reservations about whether a baseball lifer who's about to be 60 years old can develop on the job... He probably shouldn't be in good graces with the fans with the coaching errors he's made.

The bigger fish to fry IMO is the FO. We're a couple years overdue on letting TR go.

Well, I hope when you turn 60 you find out that your brain did not stop  gaining capacity to learn long ago.

 

[TheLeviathan]

 

Barring a huge turn around, the final record will be a disappointment.  Whether it's 70-92 or 60-102 the season was not good.  However, I still think the biggest problems for this team were coaching related, not organizational talent.  So I think most of the ire should go to Molitor and the staff although the players themselves shouldn't get a free pass, either.  Since I'm one of the few who thought everything up until this year was going pretty much as I thought it would, I'm more in Ryan's camp.  

 

But I really want Molitor gone.  That said, the comments from the Pohlad family seem to suggest the opposite is more likely.  

 

Ryan kept Plouffe and forced our best player to RF.  That's where things started going horribly off track.

 

And that ain't on Molitor.

[birddog]

I can't imagine any number of wins would save TR's job--unless the team's owner was quoted as saying "Molitor is doing a great job" in spite of this abysmal season. TR got to do his last draft and now give him until mid August to clean house no matter how many wins. This gives him time to undo the mess his team has become, and if he is happy enough with the team's turnover, maybe--just maybe--he will be content to ride off into the sunset and enjoy his retirement if he feels he has righted the ship. Don't wait until the end of the season when other organizations are also looking for GMs and will outbid the Pohlads.

 

If we are still playing competitively well and have unloaded much of the overpaid underachievers, I hope TR would see that he has done all he can. The Twins should be able to attract a good young GM or assistant GM FROM OUTSIDE THE ORGANIZATION to take over.TR can even help pick out his replacement--AS LONG AS IT'S FROM OUTSIDE THE ORGANIZATION--just no stipulations that anyone must remain with the organization.