Twins trade rumors

[bluechipper]

 

Does it matter? This team isn't contending in 2017.

Yes it does matter. No one knows if the Twins will be contending next year or not. They were in the hunt until the final weekend last year, so who knows. This isn't the NBA where you can pretty easily predict which teams will be awful and which won't.

[d-mac]

 

I do think it matters some, yes. While I admire what the Astros did, I don't think most businesses are willing to do that. Operating under the assumption that the owner and FO don't want to punt the year, it matters.

 

It might also matter so they aren't tempted to rush a prospect, or put one in a position that isn't right (May to the bullpen).

 

So, while I am frustrated, and largely want it blown up, I don't know I'd leave it a black hole.....

 

If I was running the team, that's certainly how I'd do it. We shouldn't need to rush prospects either. I'd be ok dumpster diving and targeting the reclamation projects in free-agency and rotating through some quad-A players for another year or two if need be until some of the prospects establish themselves. 

 

The rotation for next year should be Gibson, May, Berrios, Duffey, and X. 

[lukeduke1980]

 

That's a fair point too.  Santana isn't exactly trending in a great direction.  I could see an argument to let someone else take his salary now if possible, like the Padres did with Shields, and then this winter grab someone like Rich Hill, or even a couple cheaper bounceback guys.

 

Please no more cheap bounce back guys.  

[d-mac]

 

Yes it does matter. No one knows if the Twins will be contending next year or not. They were in the hunt until the final weekend last year, so who knows. This isn't the NBA where you can pretty easily predict which teams will be awful and which won't.

 

Really? It doesn't take a crystal ball to know the Twins aren't contending next year. Their record is bad, their run differential is bad. It'll take a lot to overcome that.

 

Last year was a total mirage, they went 20-7 in one month. The goal shouldn't be try to be competitive and hope for a year like last year. It should be about building a consistent, dominate, winning team. 

[drivlikejehu]

 

Yes it does matter. No one knows if the Twins will be contending next year or not. They were in the hunt until the final weekend last year, so who knows. This isn't the NBA where you can pretty easily predict which teams will be awful and which won't.

 

I know that they aren't going to contend next year. I'm not sure why anyone would be confused on that point.

[S.]

Missing the playoffs =/= contending

 

If we had made the playoffs, we would've been slaughtered by any team. Does anyone really think our rotation last year had any chance against any of the playoff teams? I feel like years of failure have made a lot of people set their bars for "success" insanely low. Making the playoffs and getting completely embarrassed in the first round isn't even competitive in my book. Competitive is being in a position where you have a chance of progressing through the playoffs, not squeaking your way into the playoffs only to be slaughtered in round one because your team is not anywhere on the same level as the other teams.

[alarp33]

I don't think the Twins will contend next year.  I also don't think they will or should do a 2011 Astros style teardown/ rebuild.  The time for that was 4 years ago.  Sano, Buxton, Kepler, Polanco, Berrios are 5 reasons not to "blow this up", trade Erv for nothing and just throw warm bodies into the rotation.  

 

[tobi0040]

I don't think the Twins will contend next year. I also don't think they will or should do a 2011 Astros style teardown/ rebuild. The time for that was 4 years ago. Sano, Buxton, Kepler, Polanco, Berrios are 5 reasons not to "blow this up", trade Erv for nothing and just throw warm bodies into the rotation.

We will likely not contend next year. But our lineup (24th in runs) is closer than our pitching (29th in ERA). And our lineup is working through youth issues that our rotation hopefully will shortly.

 

If nothing else, I would rather keep Ervin to not watch a PJ Walters type getting shelled. Especially since we won't get much

[jimmer]

 

We will likely not contend next year. But our lineup (24th in runs) is closer than our pitching (29th in ERA). And our lineup is working through youth issues that our rotation hopefully will shortly.

If nothing else, I would rather keep Ervin to not watch a PJ Walters type getting shelled. Especially since we won't get much

Other than fielding, I look to just compare AL teams to AL team and NL teams to NL teams.

 

13th in runs per game in the AL (and then Oakland is one run below us in actual overall runs scored), so that could switch very quickly.  We're 12th in OBP and SLG, and 13th in OPS.  14th in wRC+.

 

I'm not feeling any better about the offense or the 29th best defense in baseball.

[Thrylos]

 

I had no issue with 1 signing, maybe 2.....so if you do something with Nolasco, and assume you get nothing from Hughes....you are left with 1 veteran signing. I think keeping 1 veteran is a good idea.

 

Sure.  Keep Gibson

[ashbury]

Sure.  Keep Gibson

Do you think Gibson will ever become a reliable starter? I no longer think he can. There seems to be some physical thing that gets in the way of him having his best stuff start after start, the way as is needed if we are to make plans around him, which is what you seem to be ready to do.

[Thrylos]

 

Do you think Gibson will ever become a reliable starter? I no longer think he can. There seems to be some physical thing that gets in the way of him having his best stuff start after start, the way as is needed if we are to make plans around him, which is what you seem to be ready to do.

 

I'd seriously like to see Gibson (and everyone else) with a better pitching coach

[Rosterman]

 

If I was running the team, that's certainly how I'd do it. We shouldn't need to rush prospects either. I'd be ok dumpster diving and targeting the reclamation projects in free-agency and rotating through some quad-A players for another year or two if need be until some of the prospects establish themselves. 

 

The rotation for next year should be Gibson, May, Berrios, Duffey, and X. 

X would be Meyer. You have Stewart or Baxendale or Wheeler in the wings. 

 

Gibson would be the next to go. You hope Gonsalves and others aren't too far behind...making an appearance in 2017 to be fulltime in 2018.

[NoCryingInBaseball]

The problem with my preferencefor a trade is that the team needs a willing trade partner AND there needs to be a return of some value.
This team has wonderful potential of having a 1-9 lineup that will be great to have on the field….but pitching….that’s another thing. I really don’t think that Twins future will be solved by trade deadline, in fact, I’d be shocked. I now think the team has to change their philosophical approach to free agency and go after one of those 5+ year +100 $ million proven starters to be in a
I’m finally all in on trying our best to trade Plouffe…which I have been lukewarm/cold on in the past. The Sano in the outfield was clearly a failure and he will be ready to return by the weekend series. It is looking like simply sending Park to Triple-A is the obvious and common opinion of how to solve the short term issue….but Rosario has proven that he deserves a promotion after getting his act back together. OK, that could be solved by sending Buxton down again (as he is struggling again), but the team should be planning for Sano to stay in the infield or DH.
My “obvious candidate” trade list includes Plouffe, Milone, Nolasco, Abad and Nunez because there is value to these guys and the Twins might be able to get a prospect in return. I would LOVE to include Jepson on this list, but he’s worthless and should be DFA’d at this point. My value player the team would get in return for a trade includes a low-A starter, a mid-level minor league reliever that can throw fire or an upper minor leaguer that could break the majors as a platoon player (not really interested in this player, prefer pitching).
I’d even go further to say Dozier, Suzuki and Erwin Santana should be on the trade table, if there was a promising prospect that could be had for the offering.

[ashbury]

I'd seriously like to see Gibson (and everyone else) with a better pitching coach

I'll probably save discussion of this for a different thread than trade rumors...

[shs_59]

Nunez, Millone, and Meyer to Houston

 

for Joe Musgrove now

 

Plouffe, Tonkin, JR Murphy, and Randy Rosario to Milwaukee

 

(eventually)

 

for Jonathan LuCroy

 

and Ricky Nolasco + 5MM to Oakland or San Diego for a C prospect (1 yr 7MM contract for '17 for new club)

[Mike Sixel]

Why would Milwaukee do that?

[alarp33]

 

Why would Milwaukee do that?

 

Yeah the Twins might have to add in Boshers and/or Hughes to even things up

[d-mac]

 

I'd seriously like to see Gibson (and everyone else) with a better pitching coach

 

And a catcher that can frame pitches. 

[laloesch]

 

If I was running the team, that's certainly how I'd do it. We shouldn't need to rush prospects either. I'd be ok dumpster diving and targeting the reclamation projects in free-agency and rotating through some quad-A players for another year or two if need be until some of the prospects establish themselves. 

 

The rotation for next year should be Gibson, May, Berrios, Duffey, and X. 

 

 

And you know what they'd win more games.  Although i'm not so sure about Gibson anymore.  Guy is such a slow starter.

[d-mac]

 

And you know what they'd win more games.  Although i'm not so sure about Gibson anymore.  Guy is such a slow starter.

 

I'd really like to see him have a different catcher than Suzuki for a while, and then see what happens. Gibson has the stuff. He just needs someone that can frame his sinker for strikes and a better understanding of how to set up hitters. 

[laloesch]

 

Yeah the Twins might have to add in Boshers and/or Hughes to even things up

 

If they took Hughes off our hands at the same time, i'd do that deal any day of the week and twice on sunday.  I'd even include a bow and thank you card.

[alarp33]

 

If they took Hughes off our hands at the same time, i'd do that deal any day of the week and twice on sunday.  I'd even include a bow and thank you card.

 

I was being sarcastic.  No one is trading for Hughes, and Milwaukee wouldn't spend half a second considering the deal laid out above for Lucroy

[laloesch]

 

I was being sarcastic.  No one is trading for Hughes, and Milwaukee wouldn't spend half a second considering the deal laid out above for Lucroy

 

That's why i included the bow and thank you card.  Brew crew wouldn't do that deal in a million years.

[ShouldaCouldaWoulda]

 

X would be Meyer. You have Stewart or Baxendale or Wheeler in the wings. 

 

Gibson would be the next to go. You hope Gonsalves and others aren't too far behind...making an appearance in 2017 to be fulltime in 2018.

Who is this Meyer you speak of?

[DaveW]

Speaking of the 2017 rotation, Hu would have looked like a pretty good candidate for it....as a 22 year old he has 2.34 ERA 8.0 k/9 2.3 bb/9 in AA.

 

Just another reason why it's dumb to overpay for "proven closers" on the trade market.

[gunnarthor]

 

Speaking of the 2017 rotation, Hu would have looked like a pretty good candidate for it....as a 22 year old he has 2.34 ERA 8.0 k/9 2.3 bb/9 in AA.

Just another reason why it's dumb to overpay for "proven closers" on the trade market.

Good grief.  Jepsen wasn't a proven closer and Hu was our 13th best prospect whose stuff still hasn't played up to his stat line.  The Ken Giles trade was a dumb trade.  5 prospects for a closer, including multiple top 100 guys.

[Vanimal46]

 

Good grief.  Jepsen wasn't a proven closer and Hu was our 13th best prospect whose stuff still hasn't played up to his stat line.  The Ken Giles trade was a dumb trade.  5 prospects for a closer, including multiple top 100 guys.

Much like you gunnarthor, I'm not losing any sleep from last year's trade. The Twins got the best 28 innings of Jepsen's career in 2015. Hu would be an after thought with a vast majority of us if Jepsen didn't bottom out this season. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

Thanks.  I just don't get the constant whining around here. I mean, if we're going to whine about losing a guy like Hu, we pretty much have to give up trading any prospects.  

 

to me the issue was the half step....they needed 2+ arms in the bullpen, and they gave up an asset to get one. Either you are trying to win, or you aren't. But half steps are the worst, imo.

[wsnydes]

 

Thanks.  I just don't get the constant whining around here. I mean, if we're going to whine about losing a guy like Hu, we pretty much have to give up trading any prospects.  

Agreed.  I didn't like the deal at the time, but it was more about Jepsen than anything else.  In order to get better, sometimes you have to deal prospects.  Prospects are baseball's currency for all intents and purposes.

 

All of the whining about losing a prospect doesn't change anything.  Personally, it generally doesn't even make me feel better either.  At some point, it's just time to move on.