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Phil Hughes- Is this a Written or Unwritten Rule?

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A beat writer isn't likely to have just made this up out of whole cloth, but could it possibly be allowable for a major league pitcher to start in the deciding game of a Class A playoff series?

 

 

Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino  17h17 hours ago
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Making a Monday rehab start for Phil Hughes a little more possible. Second round is best-of-3 too, so no guarantees.

 

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Final: Cedar Rapids 3, Quad Cities 1. Kernels win series, 2-0, will play Peoria for Western Division championship Game 1 Sat. at Peoria.

 

 

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It's all moot for now.  Hughes will supplant Pelfrey on Tuesday:

 

"Both Class A Cedar Rapids and Double-A Chattanooga could have playoff games on Monday, but (nei)their of those would be guaranteed until Sunday afternoon at the earliest. As a result, the Twins opted to bring Hughes directly back to their rotation after he threw an additional 15 pitches in the bullpen on Wednesday."

 

 

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Clay Buchholz started a game for AAA Pawtucket in the playoffs in 2013:

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&sid=milb&gid=2013_09_05_pawaaa_rocaaa_1

 

I'm not sure of the rules or if a major leaguer ever made a single A Playoff start - just had heard of this

 

Thanks Arky.  I was pretty sure it had happened before at some higher MiLB level... and is a part of MLB written rules.  

Not sure how well that would play around a Low A league though- for a top-line pitcher to be starting in the clinching game of a playoff round... unwritten rules and all.

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Just read the article, and it didn't sound like Pelfrey is getting supplanted...

 

 

 

 

For all those people who wanted a 6-man rotation earlier this year, well, here you go.

Hmmm, I'm guessing those folks had a couple other names in mind.

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Just read the article, and it didn't sound like Pelfrey is getting supplanted...

 

 

 

For all those people who wanted a 6-man rotation earlier this year, well, here you go.

Not the worst thing in the world, can potentially keep some of the younger guys fresh. I'd prefer that Santana at this point stays on the traditional 5 day schedule though....

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Just read the article, and it didn't sound like Pelfrey is getting supplanted...

 

 

 

For all those people who wanted a 6-man rotation earlier this year, well, here you go.

 

Yeah, the rotation situation seems a bit fluid, but in point of fact, Pelfrey is being supplanted for one game- bumped from the Tuesday start and isn't scheduled to start again until Saturday and here's the actual headline from the article in question:

 

Twinsights: Phil Hughes to start Tuesday, Mike Pelfrey on ice

 

So... I guess the starting situation has turned a little chilly, too.   And based on the unclear nature of the  clubhouse uncertainty on this matter of the 6-man rotation according to the author, a little foggy, too.

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Not the worst thing in the world, can potentially keep some of the younger guys fresh. I'd prefer that Santana at this point stays on the traditional 5 day schedule though....

 

The history of success for 6-man rotations isn't too extensive, the latest attempted failure being the Mets.  After defending the 6-man experiment for the first couple months and dealing with the managerial angsting, the internal pissing and moaning and the external second-guessing, here's what Terry Colllins had to say about the 6-man: 

 

 

 

 “I’ve pretty much had my fill of this 6-man rotation stuff. I may go to a two man — it’s been a pain in the (butt),” Collins said. “(pitching coach) Dan Warthen and (GM) John Ricco and I just met, Dan I met earlier today, Dan and I met last night.

“I like Dan a lot, but I am tired of sitting with him.”

 

 

Funny stufff by Collins, I think I could be persuaded to pull for the Mets in the NL in the postseason.

 

Meanwhile, back to the Twins, this sounds more like a game of 5-seated musical chairs... the music is bound to stop for someone.  Hughes, Duffey, and especially Pelfrey, are all major question marks as to their level of effectiveness going into the stretch run.

 

I like your thinking about Santana, though.  The Twins talk about resting young and tired arms, but Santana doesn't need any rest, skip another Duffey/Pelfrey turn if either is ineffective. Under the current 6-man set-up, Santana would pitch in Game 162 to close out the season.vs. Kansas City  I'd rather he get one extra start before then, thus setting him up for throwing in Game 159 on October 1 vs. Cleveland, and setting him up for a possible Game 163 one-game playoff start, or helping to clinch the wild card in a relief role on short rest in game 162, on October 4 vs.  the aforementioned Royals.

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Not the worst thing in the world, can potentially keep some of the younger guys fresh. I'd prefer that Santana at this point stays on the traditional 5 day schedule though....

Yep. I think it's a pretty good idea. at this point in the season, most guys are feeling some kind of pain. Given the overall equity of all the pitchers in the rotation, swapping out guys who are wearing down isn't going to have much of an impact.
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I know Berardino reported earlier that Santana would be ineligible for any game 163 tiebreakers too. Did that get corrected? I think it makes sense -- MLB doesn't want to confer an advantage to any suspended player over another suspended player, in terms of availability beyond the scheduled 162 game season, based on the timing of their suspension.

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I know Berardino reported earlier that Santana would be ineligible for any game 163 tiebreakers too. Did that get corrected? I think it makes sense -- MLB doesn't want to confer an advantage to any suspended player, in terms of availability beyond the scheduled 162 game season, based on the timing of their suspension.

Still up in the air AFAIK but personally, I'm convinced Berardino is wrong. I can't find any mention of that policy in the MLB rule book.
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Glad they've decided they don't want Pelfrey pitching in the playoffs. That would mean playoff rotation of Milone for the WC game, then Gibson, Duffey and Hughes if everyone keeps taking their regular turn. I think I'd try to use the off day to give the WC game to Gibson.

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I know Berardino reported earlier that Santana would be ineligible for any game 163 tiebreakers too. Did that get corrected? I think it makes sense -- MLB doesn't want to confer an advantage to any suspended player over another suspended player, in terms of availability beyond the scheduled 162 game season, based on the timing of their suspension.

 

Still up in the air AFAIK but personally, I'm convinced Berardino is wrong. I can't find any mention of that policy in the MLB rule book.

 

Corrected by Berardino via Twitter:

 

 

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@MikeBerardino could Ervin Santana pitch in a game 163? Or is that considered postseason?

 

 

Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino  10m10 minutes ago
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He could pitch a 1-game tiebreaker on that Monday. He could not not pitch in WC game or beyond. Mike Berardino added,

 

 

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Corrected by Berardino via Twitter:

 

 

JB
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@MikeBerardino could Ervin Santana pitch in a game 163? Or is that considered postseason?

 

 

Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino  10m10 minutes ago
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He could pitch a 1-game tiebreaker on that Monday. He could not not pitch in WC game or beyond. Mike Berardino added,

Makes sense. A Game 163 would be a regular season game. IIRC, expanded rosters are available for such a game. It just wouldn't figure that a guy who has served his suspension would be excluded from a Game 163.

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Makes sense. A Game 163 would be a regular season game. IIRC, expanded rosters are available for such a game. It just wouldn't figure that a guy who has served his suspension would be excluded from a Game 163.

 

Berardino has been known to be wrong before.  Partly a function in that he is a prolific shoot from the hip tweeter.  At least he made the correction when proven to be wrong.

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IF all 6 guys can pitch effectively down the stretch, Molitor should try to get them set up for the post-season. That and get his starting line-ups set and working together. Gotta love it, a "rookie" manager thrown right into the thick of a play-off race, with a rookie pitching coach. Hope they can pull it off and get the team there.

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Berardino has been known to be wrong before.  Partly a function in that he is a prolific shoot from the hip tweeter.  At least he made the correction when proven to be wrong.

It was an easy mistake to make. The game 163 stipulation exists but only for players under a 162 game suspension, which makes sense. A player can't be suspended for an entire season and then get to appear for a single game playoff.

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I remember Eric Milton once started a playoff game for Ft. Myers, probably 12 years ago or so. I believe he gave up one run in 4 innings and took a loss. I am not going to go back and look, but I think they lost 1-0. 

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