Stauffer recalled, Bernier demoted

[puckstopper1]

 

Although I grant he's no panacea, I still don't get the thinking in not protecting Gilmartin over some other suspect lefties on the 40-man roster.

Maybe the Twins did not protect Gilmartin because of his 6-14 record, 5.0 ERA, and 1.35 WHIP over the past 3 seasons while he was in AAA.

 

However it looks like the Mets are pleased that the Twins did not protect him.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Maybe the Twins did not protect Gilmartin because of his 6-14 record, 5.0 ERA, and 1.35 WHIP over the past 3 seasons while he was in AAA.

 

However it looks like the Mets are pleased that the Twins did not protect him.

 

Which makes me wonder, again, why they are so reluctant to move guys to the bullpen that might have bullpen stuff. But maybe I'm misremembering.....

[Dave T]

 

How do you "hide" three pitchers in the relief corp (Duensing, Graham, Stauffer) even with a 13-,man staff?  I see lots of late-game crooked numbers in the Twins' future.

Last night, Graham finally showed why Twins drafted him.  Three shutout innings against a good-hitting Pittsburg team.  97 MPH fastball + 82 MPH slider.  Now let's see if he can repeat that performance.

[Dman]

 

Which makes me wonder, again, why they are so reluctant to move guys to the bullpen that might have bullpen stuff. But maybe I'm misremembering.....

 

I thought several people on here thought Gilmartin should take Duensings role IIRC.  At the time I wasn't a real believer because I felt his stuff was so hittable and his velocity wasn;t that good and he had arm problems before he came to us.  i thought he might be a train wreck but others thought he would be good in the bullpen and right now it looks like those posters were right.

[Dave T]

There's gotta be another move coming.  Molitor won't go long with only 3 guys on the bench.  My wishful thinking says, they can't DFA Stauffer until he's recovered from his "injury", so the team doctor will now perform his exit physical.  Stauffer's gone as soon as Arcia is ready to return to lineup.

[puckstopper1]

 

Which makes me wonder, again, why they are so reluctant to move guys to the bullpen that might have bullpen stuff. But maybe I'm misremembering.....

 

Good question, Mike.  There was a pretty good track record of that here for a time with the examples of Guardado, Aguilera, Hawkins and Nathan who all began their careers as starters.  They sort of did that with Stauffer although he pitched last year out of the 'pen for the Padres over the last few years.

[jimmer]

Aguilera was converted to reliever by the Mets prior to coming to the Twins.  The Twins switched him back to starter, and then put him in the bullpen the next season.

 

Nathan was a reliever with the Giants the season before when we got him.

[kellyvance]

 

http://www.startribune.com/twins-add-tim-stauffer-send-doug-bernier-to-rochester/304581021/

 

I give this move a solid "Blank Stare".

But then, that's because you are friendly and accepting.  There are others on here that would misdirect his plane.

 

 

[Kwak]

Does this mean that it wasn't Gardenhire behind the 13-man pitching staff with position players required to play 4+ positions?

[Hrbowski]

 

Does this mean that it wasn't Gardenhire behind the 13-man pitching staff with position players required to play 4+ positions?

I think it was, someone won't be here for long, whether it is Duensing, Stauffer, or Tonkin.

[Danchat]

 

Does this mean that it wasn't Gardenhire behind the 13-man pitching staff with position players required to play 4+ positions?

Hey, at least we're not carrying 3 catchers.

As Hrbowski said, I think it won't be long until we go back to a 7 man bullpen.

[jokin]

 

Maybe the Twins did not protect Gilmartin because of his 6-14 record, 5.0 ERA, and 1.35 WHIP over the past 3 seasons while he was in AAA.

 

However it looks like the Mets are pleased that the Twins did not protect him.

 

But that's the point, those with inside information should know more than just the stats at hand- and in truth, the Twins should have been quite pleased with the Gilmartin results for 2014.  Pretty apparent that another successful franchise has taken advantage of the Twins'doubts about him.  And the Twins also get a failing grade in assessment, in that LH guys they protected with the "good stats", like Darnell and Wheeler, have taken HUGE steps backwards in 2015.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

Aguilera was converted to reliever by the Mets prior to coming to the Twins.  The Twins switched him back to starter, and then put him in the bullpen the next season.

 

Nathan was a reliever with the Giants the season before when we got him.

 

Somewhere in between the Mets and being a Twins starter, Aggie recorded some saves

[Otto von Ballpark]

Why would anyone give a reliever bonuses for 15-27 appearances?

[jokin]

 

I thought several people on here thought Gilmartin should take Duensings role IIRC.  At the time I wasn't a real believer because I felt his stuff was so hittable and his velocity wasn;t that good and he had arm problems before he came to us.  i thought he might be a train wreck but others thought he would be good in the bullpen and right now it looks like those posters were right.

 

Two words (well actually, names)

 

Thielbar...  Duensing...    

 

Gilmartin was determined to be expendable, and offering less potential than Ryan O'Rourke????, as the only legitimate LHRP challenger to the above two guys. They really didn't/still don't have anybody else AA or higher to consider. The above two guys were already showing signs of failing in 2014, while Gilmartin dominated against LH hitters at both AA and AAA.  Granted, none of the options are sure things/great shakes, but protecting Gilmartin at someone else's expense (Kepler?, another pitcher?) was a decision they publicly agonized over on Rule 5 draft day when Gilmartin ended up getting claimed.   Still a headscratcher.

[jokin]

 

Why would anyone give a reliever bonuses for 15-27 appearances?

 

 

Uhh, ask Terry?   Or, his agent was still convinced he could get someone to sign him as a SP? 

 

But seriously, was TR even actively competing with anyone for Stauffer's services?

[gil4]

 

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We haven't even hit the iceberg yet (this year). Rearrange away!

[brvama]

Two points. First on an earlier post, I'd forgot about the day off today, after reconsidering I'm so what baffled as to the reason for the Stauffer move with Bernier going down.

 

Second,and maybe this is pure hope, but I wonder if the next three to four weeks is an audition for Stauffer, and for that matter Duesing. TR has eaten some salary before, IIRC.. I hope this is the plan - do what you were hired for or leave the building.

[jimmer]

 

Somewhere in between the Mets and being a Twins starter, Aggie recorded some saves

Really?  Where? In '89 he had 36 appearances with the Mets as a reliever,  then he had 11 appearances, all of them starts, with the Twins after being traded..  Then he went back to being a reliever in '90 with the Twins.

[big dog]

... it was a joke.

Oh...my bad.

[big dog]

Actually, it's pretty simple.  Promote and play players who have superior talent/performance history, bite the bullet and demote/trade/DFA when you make a mistaken judgement on non-performing personnel.

My problem is that I think too many people assume the past perfectly predicts the future and refuse to believe that a change might make a difference. Stauffer's barely had a chance here and people want to dump him. Why not give one more shot? He could be useful, even as a trade piece. I doubt it, but if he gets three outings to show if he's better, is it terrible?

 

I think too many here would rather be proven to have been right than to see some players succeed when they were expected to fail.

[DaveW]

My problem is that I think too many people assume the past perfectly predicts the future and refuse to believe that a change might make a difference. Stauffer's barely had a chance here and people want to dump him. Why not give one more shot? He could be useful, even as a trade piece. I doubt it, but if he gets three outings to show if he's better, is it terrible?

 

I think too many here would rather be proven to have been right than to see some players succeed when they were expected to fail.

His present so far as a twins has been terrible as well, whether in the majors, AAA rehab or spring training, additionally he pitched in the NL, in the most pitcher friendly park in baseball and put up mediocre/replacement level numbers.

[Bark's Lounge]

I love Stauffer. He make's great microwaveable dinners. The turkey dinner is Out of Sight!

 

The Salisbury Steak is okay too.

[USAFChief]

Why would anyone give a reliever bonuses for 15-27 appearances?

Sounds more like the kind of bonuses you'd give a starter...

[big dog]

 

His present so far as a twins has been terrible as well, whether in the majors, AAA rehab or spring training, additionally he pitched in the NL, in the most pitcher friendly park in baseball and put up mediocre/replacement level numbers.

 

True.  People said roughly the same about Pelfrey and Boyer, who shows sign of becoming, at worst, tradable assets.  I just saying that if he has three outings and they don't go well, I doubt if it hurts our World Series probability all that much and we can move on, having given him the fair shot he was probably promised.

 

 

 

[Lakeside]

I liked both the Boyer and Stauffer pick-ups when they happened.  Knew both ad a chance for success here.  However, with the team in contention after 1/4 of the season I beleive that Stauffer should have showed oin AAA to be recalled.  We can't afford to loss a game on an experment.

 

After Graham's performance Wednesday, can he be our 7th inning guy?  Fien in the 8th.  That would allow Boyer to be used when we need that ground ball out and situational as they are using Thompson. 

[DaveW]

 

True.  People said roughly the same about Pelfrey and Boyer, who shows sign of becoming, at worst, tradable assets.  I just saying that if he has three outings and they don't go well, I doubt if it hurts our World Series probability all that much and we can move on, having given him the fair shot he was probably promised.

At worst Boyer is a tradeable asset? Gotta disagree with you on that, all of the signs are pointing to Boyer pitching himself off a cliff very soon, the guy just doesn't do anything well, why the Twins continue to fill the bullpen with 30+ year old guys who A. Can't strike anyone out. B.) Have little to no success in the majors prior to joining the Twins, is truely baffling.

The comparison to Pelfrey doesn't make sense either, Pelfrey had several years as a starter for the Mets where he rated as either a #4 or #5, much more potential when signed then Boyer, apples/oranges etc.

 

I wish the Twins would give Tonkin more of those high leverage innings, guy looks solid on the mound in the minors etc and can at least strike some guys out.

The funny thing is, if Santana doesn't get suspended, the pen might look even better, I for one thought that Pelfrey would thrive in the pen and possibly become a shut down 8th inning type, clearly he has earned his spot in the rotation in the meantime though, so maybe that will happen if he struggles somewhat.

[Shane Wahl]

 

He's not. AJ Achter, Logan Darnell, and Caleb Thielbar are the relievers in Rochester that are on the 40 man. 

 

Bernier is, obviously, and that would have been the clear move here. There is plenty of dead weight on the 40-man to get actual help on the roster if needed.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Really?  Where? In '89 he had 36 appearances with the Mets as a reliever,  then he had 11 appearances, all of them starts, with the Twins after being traded..  Then he went back to being a reliever in '90 with the Twins.

got it--you were talking about 89 not the ill fated experiment in the mid 90s

[nicksaviking]

 

My problem is that I think too many people assume the past perfectly predicts the future and refuse to believe that a change might make a difference. Stauffer's barely had a chance here and people want to dump him. Why not give one more shot?

 

I'll bet the past probably almost perfectly predicts the future in this situation because I doubt anyone's ever seen a 33-year-old gain 6 MPH on their fastball unless they were doing something illegal.  For this crew of soft-tossers, that would be the only change that would make Stauffer a useful member of this bullpen.