3 Twins Prospects Impacted By Josh Donaldson's Signing

Rooker is not on the 40 man roster, none of the 3 discussed had to be added yet. 

Anyone of our 3rd base prospects such as TB has certainly been affected.

1] Raley. So many dismiss him because he wasn't a top 5-10 prospect at time of trade with the Dodgers and because he didn't come up through the Twins system.

 

He had a really nice 2018. He had a nice early start to 2019, (was used a lot in ST games by the Twins, including time in CF to see what he looked like out there), before injury and finished the AFL on a high note. He may be more ready than the other 3 listed, but no mention. Mistake.

 

2] Hopeful if a bit naive assumption that over the next year plus all 3-4 actually prove themselves to be actual, viable ML ready, Cruz will probably be done/gone, Rosario may be traded or lost after 2021, that leaves room for 2 to make an impact, possibly 3 with a bench spot. This also leaves further trade possibilities.

 

Impacted? Hmmm...how about the word "affected"? Seems to be more accurate to me.

Raley is a legitimate outfielder, not a first base candidate, IMO.

I would assume that's why he wasn't mentioned.

Anyone of our 3rd base prospects such as TB has certainly been affected.

Travis Blankenhorn's upside is backup/utility infielder, IMO. Not starter. So I don't think he's affected by the Donaldson signing.

Great situation for all three.  They get to begin their season in the minors, working on whatever each needs to work on.  When an injury opens a spot on the Twins, whomever is playing the best gets the call.  And yes, one of the three who could open a spot, Donaldson, Sano, Cruz, will get injured at some point this season giving Player X, Y, or Z his chance.

Let's hope Rosario has a good first half so we can get more when we trade him.

Here is how it should work, if a team is trying to win and develop.

 

When an injury occurs at the major league level.

 

The front office should look at all of the players available and call up the guy who can contribute and then the team should let the player contribute regardless of the position he plays.

 

If it's Wade... Call him up and play him. If it's Rooker... Add him to the 40 man roster, call him up and play him. You call up the player who is ready to contribute and whoever that is... You play them.

 

If 2B or SS gets hurt, do we just call up Gordon just because he is a 2B or SS, even if Gordon is hitting .200 at Rochester and Rooker is hitting .400 at Rochester?

 

We shouldn't call up Rooker because the club could never get past Donaldson, Sano, Rosario, Buxton and Kepler every day and if we did call up Rooker instead of Gordon due to talent, he has to sit on the bench because Donaldson, Sano, Rosario, Buxton and Kepler have to play every day. It's like last year never happened and we are back to Terry Ryan.

 

Do the math. How often would each player have to sit if you had 7 guys for 6 positions.

 

If Rooker, Kiriloff or Larnach are held back because they can't find playing time because of Rosario, Buxton, Kepler, Cruz, Donaldson and Sano and they just can't figure it out. We might as well trade the three of them now and prepare to sign Cozart types in the future.

 

BTW... If anyone in the front office labels Blankenhorn as utility or backup. Please remove Blankenhorn from the 40 man roster or trade him now. Because if the front office feels that Blankenhorn is only utility or a backup... that's all he will be, the front office will guarantee that Blankenhorn is only utility or backup by not allowing him to rise above it.

 

Blankenhorn is officially 40 man roster space waste with that designation... please don't place it on him.

Backups and utility guys that make the league minimum have value.

I understand you think they should all play, but I couldn't disagree more. Some players are better than others. Playing someone worse and sitting someone better is just throwing away production, IMO.

Even in a 7 for 6 spots rotation, like you mentioned, that's still 23 times per season, for EACH of the 6 spots that you are sitting a better player so that the 7th best of those 7 can play equally.

That's the equivalent of losing a better player for the entire season, those games add up.

And just because I think Blankenhorn's upside is utility player, doesn't mean he's a waste of a 40 man spot.

In addition to my argument in the previous post about those guys having value, there is also a chance he exceeds expectations and develops into a league average starter somewhere.

Here is how it should work, if a team is trying to win and develop.

When an injury occurs at the major league level.

The front office should look at all of the players available and call up the guy who can contribute and then the team should let the player contribute regardless of the position he plays.

If it's Wade... Call him up and play him. If it's Rooker... Add him to the 40 man roster, call him up and play him. You call up the player who is ready to contribute and whoever that is... You play them.

If 2B or SS gets hurt, do we just call up Gordon just because he is a 2B or SS, even if Gordon is hitting .200 at Rochester and Rooker is hitting .400 at Rochester?

We shouldn't call up Rooker because the club could never get past Donaldson, Sano, Rosario, Buxton and Kepler every day and if we did call up Rooker instead of Gordon due to talent, he has to sit on the bench because Donaldson, Sano, Rosario, Buxton and Kepler have to play every day. It's like last year never happened and we are back to Terry Ryan.

Do the math. How often would each player have to sit if you had 7 guys for 6 positions.

If Rooker, Kiriloff or Larnach are held back because they can't find playing time because of Rosario, Buxton, Kepler, Cruz, Donaldson and Sano and they just can't figure it out. We might as well trade the three of them now and prepare to sign Cozart types in the future.

BTW... If anyone in the front office labels Blankenhorn as utility or backup. Please remove Blankenhorn from the 40 man roster or trade him now. Because if the front office feels that Blankenhorn is only utility or a backup... that's all he will be, the front office will guarantee that Blankenhorn is only utility or backup by not allowing him to rise above it.

Blankenhorn is officially 40 man roster space waste with that designation... please don't place it on him.

Marwin allows the Twins to be very flexible with injury call ups.

Backup guys who don't play are the very definition of no value. You can't trade them for anything of value because you've labeled them as not good enough and if they don't play they don't help you win immediately and when you have to play them due to injury, they were already determined to be not good enough so you are purposely playing lesser talent and if they are good enough to play... sitting them just kills them anyway.

 

As for the math. Are you sure that the 6 players we have are better? How much better? .300 OPS better or are they .50 OPS better? If you have Mike Trout on your team and he is .300 OPS better, I agree with you. He should play everyday.

 

Will you bench a 23 year old for .50 ops? How do you know if the 23 year old isn't the guy who is .50 OPS or .300 better? If the 23 year old is .50 OPS better do you now bench Rosario and throw him away?

 

It's your choice... you can increase value of 13 players or 9. If you choose 9 you better choose right because you have removed all cushion.

I didn't say they should never play.

I'm saying they shouldn't play on an equal rotation.

It doesn't matter if a player is .300 or .050 OPS better. The better player should play.

How does he exceed expectation? If he is viewed as backup at best?

Because the cream rises to the top.

Even backups will get their chances over 162 games. If they outplay their expectation, they'll get more playing time. If they continue to perform during the course of that additional playing time, they'll move into one of those starting spots. Or, they'll have trade value.

I don't think we're suggesting vastly different things.

It's just that you suggest "forcing" the issue, whereas I suggest letting it come naturally.

No two players have equal talent and ability. If it appears they do, then they simply aren't being evaluated with enough digits after the decimal point. There is no such thing as a true "tie" in a race. If you keep adding past the decimal point, you'll eventually find that one participant was faster than the other.

I want the faster guy in the race, even if he's only .0001 seconds faster.

26 guys of equal ability just isn't realistic.

I didn't say they should never play.
I'm saying they shouldn't play on an equal rotation.
It doesn't matter if a player is .300 or .050 OPS better. The better player should play.

I agree that the best players should play, but Baldelli's management style with all the built-in rest probably lends itself to Riverbrian's playing time idea.  In a perfect world, it would mean 10 guys with 145 games, instead of 9 with 162 games.  Of course, there will be injuries and decline that will change those numbers. Also, the catcher position is going to be it's own animal.  I'd bet that the well-rested 10/11 will collectively give you a better outcome, than the superior yet physically drained 9/10.

I want Rosario to do great. He does great, we do great. However, I’d love to see Kirilloff or Larnach come up and force the issue. See if one of them can somehow outplay and leave Rosario Arraez’d out of left field. All while maintaining Rosario’s trade value. That’d be too perfect. I like Raley, Blank, and Rooker, but not as much as the formers.

I agree that the best players should play, but Baldelli's management style with all the built-in rest probably lends itself to Riverbrian's playing time idea. In a perfect world, it would mean 10 guys with 145 games, instead of 9 with 162 games. Of course, there will be injuries and decline that will change those numbers. Also, the catcher position is going to be it's own animal. I'd bet that the well-rested 10/11 will collectively give you a better outcome, than the superior yet physically drained 9/10.

Ok, but even 10 guys rotating 9 spots leaves a couple of backups that aren't playing every day.

That's my only argument is that Riverbrian tells me if a guy is likely a backup then just cut him now. That tells me he wants 13 guys all playing equal time.

I would also mention how Donaldson's signing affects Thorpe and Smeltzer. Since Signing Donaldson probably keeps us from getting a high dollar starter making it more likely one of them with Dobnak make the rotation.

There's zero evidence Kirilloff was every anything more than a fall-back option at first-base for 2020. It's not like his bat was knocking on the door last year...it wasn't...or even like he's ever been primarily a first-baseman in the minors.

Meahwhile, the organization had Rooker and Larnach play a grand total of zero innings at first base in 2019.

So what were these guys going to do for the 2020 Twins prior to the JD signing? Not going to DH, not going to be given bench roles...why would any prospects be given bench roles before they're out of options...let alone before they've even needed to be rostered? All of these guys figured to be depth options in 2020...options to be called up if there were injuries or catastrophic performance issues...which is exactly what they remain post JD signing.

Longer-term, there's a chance this makes the outfield even more crowded...but then, you might have Rosario leaving, you might have Sano at DH instead of first, you might have made some trades, you might have long-term injuries, etc., etc., etc.

Maybe I have been spoiled by the usual quality on this site but this article feel like something written by a content farm.

You dont mention more obvious guys who are on the 40 man like Gordon, Blakenhorn and Raley while Rooker isn't even on the 40 man.

Maybe I have been spoiled by the usual quality on this site but this article feel like something written by a content farm.

You dont mention more obvious guys who are on the 40 man like Gordon, Blakenhorn and Raley while Rooker isn't even on the 40 man.

Gordon is a middle infielder, how is his path affected by the Donaldson signing?

Things are definitely crowded in the outfield no question about it. 

Changed it up a bit.

Things COULD definitely GET crowded in the outfield no question about it.

As of right now, it is not crowded at all, it is Buxton, Rosario, Kepler, Cave and Wade and a bunch of potential. I would not call that crowded. An injury to one of the main 3, Cave starting out slow again and potential not really ready and crow is the furthest thing from reality. (Lets hope it gets real crowded in a hurry)

Gordon is a middle infielder, how is his path affected by the Donaldson signing?

The answer to this is probably based on how much the Twins still view Marwin as depth to the middle-infield positions.  He only played 27 innings at 2B/SS in 2019.  

Obviously, the Donaldson signing cuts into innings at the corners where Donaldson and Sano will get the lion's share.  Does that mean that Gonzalez moves up the depth chart in the middle infield?  I'm not sure.

That's where I could see Gordon being affected by it.

The answer to this is probably based on how much the Twins still view Marwin as depth to the middle-infield positions. He only played 27 innings at 2B/SS in 2019.

 

Obviously, the Donaldson signing cuts into innings at the corners where Donaldson and Sano will get the lion's share. Does that mean that Gonzalez moves up the depth chart in the middle infield? I'm not sure.

 

That's where I could see Gordon being affected by it.

Last year when Schoop got hurt, they didn't move Marwin to 2B, they called up Arraez.

I think they'd do the same with Gordon this year if they think he's ready.

I think they prefer Marwin in a super utility role, not starting anywhere, assuming someone is ready to step into a starting role.

So personally, I don't think Gordon is affected in any way by Donaldson signing.

Nor do I think Raley is. I think the possibility of Kepler moving to 1B (thus opening up OF playing time) was purely fan speculation. I'd be surprised if the team actually considered it.