Jump to content
Twins Daily
  • Create Account
  • 4 Veteran Players the Twins Can Trade


    Cody Christie

    The Twins find themselves in contention, and soon the front office will need to decide on an approach for the trade deadline. One way to build a contender is to trade from a position of strength.

    Image courtesy of Tommy Gilligan-USA TODAY Sports

    Twins Video

    As the calendar gets closer to July, Minnesota's roster looks like it will need more pitching depth to stay at the top of the AL Central. The Twins' front office has been creative to keep the team's winning window open as long as possible. Here are some veteran players the team can trade to add pitching depth. 

    Gio Urshela, 3B
    Gio Urshela has already had some memorable moments in a Twins uniform, and he has been an above-average hitter (102 OPS+) on a team trying to find an offensive spark. However, Jose Miranda seems poised to take over the everyday third baseman role, which might make Urshela expendable. He is still under team control for the 2023 season and offers some defensive flexibility even though the Twins have only played him at third base. The Athletic named him one of the top 125 players likely to be dealt before the deadline. However, the same article called him a top-five defensive third baseman, which is a stretch. 

    Max Kepler, OF
    Minnesota's future outfield doesn't include Max Kepler, so the time may be right for him to be dealt. He's having a resurgent offensive season and is under team control through 2024. His 115 OPS+ is the second-highest total of his career and his wRC+ ranks in the top 7 among AL right fielders. In the Twins Daily blog section, Tim suggested the Twins trade Kepler to the Padres because they have an outfield need and a plethora of starting pitching. Minnesota also has younger options to start playing in the outfield corners, including Alex Kirilloff, Trevor Larnach, and other outfield prospects on the way. Last year, it looked like Kepler may be one of baseball's most valuable trade assets, and he may have increased his trade value in 2022. 

    Miguel Sano, DH/1B
    Some fans may have forgotten, but Miguel Sano will be returning to the Twins in the weeks ahead. His slow start (.379 OPS) and knee surgery put his future in limbo. Minnesota has a $14 million team option for next season, but there's little chance of the team exercising that option. It's also hard to find a scenario where Sano can get regular playing time at the big-league level. The Twins have younger options that provide more offensive upside. Unfortunately, his trade value is low as he played poorly before the injury, and there is no guarantee he will be back to 100% for a team's postseason run. 

    Carlos Correa, SS
    Carlos Correa is arguably Minnesota's best overall player, so it's hard to imagine a scenario where the team gets better by dealing him away. However, there is no guarantee that he will stay with the club beyond 2022, as he can opt out at the season's end. Another contending team may make the Twins an offer they can't refuse. Dealing Correa also creates a giant hole at shortstop that would need to be filled by an internal candidate or a different trade. After a slow start, Correa's bat has improved significantly as he has a 131 OPS+ for the season. A trade involving Correa would undoubtedly change the team's clubhouse dynamic, which might be an obstacle the team doesn't want to try to overcome. 

    Obviously, there is a lot of baseball to be played before the August 2nd trade deadline. Other needs may arise for the Twins, and some of these players may prove to be indispensable. Do you feel like any of these players will be traded before the deadline? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion. 

    MORE FROM TWINS DAILY
    — Latest Twins coverage from our writers
    — Recent Twins discussion in our forums
    — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email
    — Become a Twins Daily Caretaker

     Share


    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    Featured Comments

    32 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

    I would assume Correa is off the table unless someone decides to overpay.  The Twins showed this past season they were willing to make multiple moves to improve the team.  With Lewis getting hurt its much less likely,  but not completely unfeasible or unthinkable.  I think you are too focused on what teams are willing to give up in trades rather than what the Twins would be willing to accept.  I think the Twins would prefer this trade deadline to be a wild wild west of trades.  

    My expectations of this deadline are I really have no clue in what direction they want to go right now.   This series against Cleveland will tell us better what type of team we have.  I will be cheering them on Thursday with my family.  

    This post is about veteran players the Twins could trade while improving their pitching depth for this season. Why would what the Twins could get back not be the focus? This post wasn't about whether or not the Twins would be willing to trade these players, or any players, but was about veterans at "positions of strength" that could be dealt for "pitching depth." Responding that they couldn't get good pitching depth back for these players is focusing on what the post was about.

    The author presented the topic as improving a contending Twins 2022 team by trading veterans for veterans. Your, or my, opinion on where they may go is of no factor on the topic presented by the author. He didn't say the Twins may trade veterans if they fall back and don't think they can contend, he said "As the calendar gets closer to July, Minnesota's roster looks like it will need more pitching depth to stay at the top of the AL Central." My contention is that trading anyone on this list at the deadline wouldn't improve the 2022 team overall, or, in a couple of the cases, the Twins pitching depth in any meaningful way, and laid out why I thought that.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    6 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

    If we are looking to improve we do not trade our best player who fills a critical defensive hole.  Everything looked good until Correa.  This might have worked if Lewis was available, but not now - Palacios and Gordon do not fill that spot and thus we go backwards trying to go forward.  

    Package the rest of them and get that pitcher.  It is a nice haul for a team like Oakland. 

    Better pitcher, lousy defense, brilliant!

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I’m in the don’t trade Correa camp.  I would like to see an 8 year 280 million extension for him.  Or 9 year 300 million if that 300 number is that important.  They could get creative and frontload the contract while these rookies are pre arbitration and go down in years 5-7 when everyone salary rises, then go back up at the end….

    Kepler and Urshala are high floor guys who contribute.  I would rather they be on the roster and rotated to a platoon/ bench role if someone can consistently outplay them.  We can trade them in the offseason.  
     

    I am sad about Sano.  I really wanted to see him, Kepler and Polanco combine to hit 1000 HRs for the Twins in their careers.  They are close to 400 right now.  Just a couple of big years from everyone and we are almost there…..

    we could trade Duffey and Theilbar as change of scenery trade.  
     

    I am not opposed to trading anyone just that we are in contention and you go with the team you have and try to supplement the roster.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I find it unlikely as of right now that the Twins would trade veterans.  If they do, Urshela is the only real candidate because he has both the extra year of control (to up the return), and the ease of replacement (Arraez or Miranda).  You could trade Kepler, but you're then counting on 3 rookies (Kiriloff, Larnach, Celestino) to hold down your corner outfield in a pennant race and postseason.  You could trade Sanchez, but he's a FA after this year, and Jeffers as your lead catcher is problematic.

    As such, I think it's much more likely the Twins swing a couple small deals at the deadline for relief help, unless something crazy falls in their lap.  This offseason is where there could be a lot of movement though--I would not be shocked to see the Twins trade Polanco, Urshela, and Kepler, while walking away from Sanchez, Sano, and Correa.  They could then have the payroll space to bring in 2 stars (Trea Turner and Carlos Rodon?), or do a lot of Polanco/Kepler style deals for their current pre-arb group (Arraez, Ryan, Winder, Larnach, Kiriloff, and Lewis could all be locked up for a sum total of $30M to $40m a year).

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Lets see how Sano does with the Saints for rehab; he might do just as Kirilloff has done, exceed for the Saints and lousy for the Twins.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    One of the Twins strengths this year is their improved defense.  Suggesting they trade Urshela, Keps and Correa would put a brutal defensive team on the field, especially all those games when Buxton is either DH or on the bench...brutal.  No to trading any of those three.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    7 hours ago, tonderk said:

    Please just let me enjoy our one year with Correa. I don’t think anyone is dealing anything worth giving him up. 

    Yeah. It's a pleasure having him on the Twins. And depending on how this season plays out, 2022 may not be the end of the line.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    1 hour ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

    I find it unlikely as of right now that the Twins would trade veterans.  If they do, Urshela is the only real candidate because he has both the extra year of control (to up the return), and the ease of replacement (Arraez or Miranda).  You could trade Kepler, but you're then counting on 3 rookies (Kiriloff, Larnach, Celestino) to hold down your corner outfield in a pennant race and postseason.  You could trade Sanchez, but he's a FA after this year, and Jeffers as your lead catcher is problematic.

    As such, I think it's much more likely the Twins swing a couple small deals at the deadline for relief help, unless something crazy falls in their lap.  This offseason is where there could be a lot of movement though--I would not be shocked to see the Twins trade Polanco, Urshela, and Kepler, while walking away from Sanchez, Sano, and Correa.  They could then have the payroll space to bring in 2 stars (Trea Turner and Carlos Rodon?), or do a lot of Polanco/Kepler style deals for their current pre-arb group (Arraez, Ryan, Winder, Larnach, Kiriloff, and Lewis could all be locked up for a sum total of $30M to $40m a year).

    I'd be surprised if they traded Polanco, but I think your timeline makes more sense than trading any of these guys in the middle of a pennant chase. I'd like them to take a shot at signing those pre-arb guys to 7 year deals and pairing that with a Correa 7 year deal. I don't think there's much of a chance they do that as they really value their flexibility (and I don't expect them to extend Correa), but if they could have their whole core locked up for 7 years of cost certainty they'd be in a pretty good spot. Just a lot of pressure on those young guys to turn into who they expect/hope they are. But, generally speaking, I think the offseason is when we see them make bigger decisions on players. The trade deadline is more likely to be small deals for relief pitchers.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    The 3 most likely things to happen this season:

    -- Sano is traded for anything helping the team this year or any other;

    -- Correa is signed to a mega long-term contract with the Twins;

    -- Jessica Alba asks me to dinner and picks up the tab.

    Of the three, the last one could happen. She misdials and in her embarrassment, she surrenders the American Express black card. 

    If you want to compete in 2022, trading Correa makes zero sense. WAR is WAR and any other of the Twins' replacement alternatives at shortstop would be replacement at best. Is anyone going to give you that value in a pitcher for a free agent like Carlos? I think not. Only if the team tanks before the trade deadline, should a Correa trade be considered. 

    That being said, it has been an absolute pleasure watching the guy play. He is terrific in every regard.   

     

     

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Kepler might be worth something.

    I sure wish we had included Sano in the Padres deal and gotten, say, Hosmer and one of their rookie catchers, as well as CASH.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    7 hours ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

    ...If they do, Urshela is the only real candidate because he has both the extra year of control (to up the return), and the ease of replacement (Arraez or Miranda)...

    Except Urshela might not net much at all. I honestly expect Urshela will non-tendered at the end of the season rather than get a salary at $9+ MM in his 3rd arbitration year. He's rocking 0.1 fWAR and 0.5 bWAR right now with a wRC+ 100 and OPS+ 102. 

    That's not the kind of help contenders are clamoring for.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I am getting used to being a minority voice on TD, so I might as well take a shot here.  :)  

    I can't believe we haven't had discussions with Boras about a possible long term deal for Correa and what he would want to take it to that next level.  If, by late July, we don't have a good feel for being able to get this done, and an offer comes along that helps the pitching staff, it might be the best move for now to move him.  We forget sometimes that Urshela has played short before in the bigs and is a pretty decent defender.  We move him to short, Miranda to 3rd, DFA Sano and play Kirilloff and Arraez at 1st with kirilloff in the outfield when necessary and Arraez spelling Polanco once in a while.  Pick up Urshela's option and pencil him in at short next year until Lewis comes back (which it sounds like will be mid season).

    For the record, my first hope is we sign Correa long term.  It would prove we are all in and might convince other free agents to come, kind of like when we had Cruz the first year or two.  But if we decide not to put the money and the years out there that it will take, now would be the time, not waiting for him to opt out, because every year he waits is one less year on the career long term deal he will get, or one more chance to get hurt before he gets it; he isn't going to go year to year here.  Boras won't allow it.  Throw in one good prospect as well and we could get a return that would help the pitching staff get us over the hump in a pretty weak division and help in October.  But, again, it all boils down to can we sign Correa long term, and, if not, what is the return coming back?  Otherwise keep the team intact; I don't see anyone else bringing a return worth the breakup. 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    This is a worthwhile exercise, not because you get a starter for, say, Gio, but because you should consider veteran elements to a deal with prospects. Still....

    This only identifies two veterans; you are not trading Correa unless you are a seller, and as many have pointed out, Sano has negative value, and has no time to create some.

    Polanco and Arraez and Buxton are more likely to be traded than Correa right now (and probably Jorge could make the 'vets to trade' list). Though it is likely a partner will want more prospects than vets, as someone pointed out, that isn't all (as Cruz for Ryan proved last season). But unless it involves getting a pitcher to slot in the top half of the rotation, I'm not super interested in 'pitching depth'. 

    That isn't going to win a playoff series.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    17 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

    "As the calendar gets closer to July, Minnesota's roster looks like it will need more pitching depth to stay at the top of the AL Central."

    They have the $$$ to get a player w/o trading anyone.  They also should have the $$$ to make Correa an offer he can't resist even if they overpay for now.  Sick and tired of them getting rid of players I enjoy watching.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Trade Sano, Duffey and Theilbar just to clear space on the 40 man. Don’t have to get much, one or two low level prospects. Scour the wire for relief pitchers.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    17 hours ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

    I find it unlikely as of right now that the Twins would trade veterans.  If they do, Urshela is the only real candidate because he has both the extra year of control (to up the return), and the ease of replacement (Arraez or Miranda).  You could trade Kepler, but you're then counting on 3 rookies (Kiriloff, Larnach, Celestino) to hold down your corner outfield in a pennant race and postseason.  You could trade Sanchez, but he's a FA after this year, and Jeffers as your lead catcher is problematic.

    As such, I think it's much more likely the Twins swing a couple small deals at the deadline for relief help, unless something crazy falls in their lap.  This offseason is where there could be a lot of movement though--I would not be shocked to see the Twins trade Polanco, Urshela, and Kepler, while walking away from Sanchez, Sano, and Correa.  They could then have the payroll space to bring in 2 stars (Trea Turner and Carlos Rodon?), or do a lot of Polanco/Kepler style deals for their current pre-arb group (Arraez, Ryan, Winder, Larnach, Kiriloff, and Lewis could all be locked up for a sum total of $30M to $40m a year).

    Good point. 

    Although, IF Correa decides not to opt out after the season (and considering his current contract with the Twins he has a really good safety net to bargain from a position of strength with the league) I think we can all agree that the Twins and the FO will welcome him back with open arms and not walk away from him.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    51 minutes ago, MN_ExPat said:

    Good point. 

    Although, IF Correa decides not to opt out after the season (and considering his current contract with the Twins he has a really good safety net to bargain from a position of strength with the league) I think we can all agree that the Twins and the FO will welcome him back with open arms and not walk away from him.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but they have no choice!  :)  At least for two more years.  And I'm glad they don't.  

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    53 minutes ago, joefish said:

    Urshella and Kepler for Snell and and a prospect. Miranda to 3b. Polanco to dh every day.

    And the Twins defense goes down the toilet with the won-loss record.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    3 hours ago, RpR said:

    And the Twins defense goes down the toilet with the won-loss record.

    I don't see Arraez as a downgrade over Ploanco at 2b. Urshella makes some great plays, but not all of the plays. Miranda may hit as well as Urshella, and his defense is still a bit unknown, but they sold it to us as he was moving up through the system. Urshella would bring us more in trade. A switch-hitting dh seems perfect to me.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    No team is going to trade for Correa unless you pretty much eat the rest of his salary for this season. Unless they honestly think he is worth going after long term and trading for him will give them one-up on ree agency.

    Would you pay Sano $13 million for next season? Hey, you put him on waivers, another team claims him. They release him. And you sign him abck for 2023 for $3-5 million, if you still truly want him.

    Who plays the Twins outfield in 2023? Better yet, 2024? Celestino is good, but he isn't great. You would love to say he is heir to Buxton in center with Byron moving to a corner spot. But I don't think we signed Byron for $100 million to have him leave centerfield in the next year or two. I don't see the Twins signing Kepler to another long-term contract, but another team might.....

    Urshela? If you trade him this season, he still has another at a decent price for a rebuilding team. Depends how much faith you have in Miranda, getting his at bats are so important this season. Otherwise, Steer? Encarnacion-Strand? Miranda until someone other comes along?

    Gio and Kepler can dangle at trade time. You have replacements who look to improve for the team in 2023.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I can't recall any examples of a good veteran position player being traded for a veteran position player at the deadline in the past 20 years.  Can anyone else site an example of such a trade?  Isn't the whole idea rather unrealistic?

    Urshela could definitely be moved to make room for Miranda / Steer but it won't be for a veteran player.  Sano will be traded if they can find anyone to take him to keep Kirilloff at 1B and that won't be for a veteran either. 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    On 6/21/2022 at 9:11 AM, Mark G said:

    Correct me if I am wrong, but they have no choice!  :)  At least for two more years.  And I'm glad they don't. 

    Correa has a clause saying he can block a trade to 5 teams.

    https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/american-league/minnesota-twins/

    Once he names the teams, they can trade him to others--but I agree, trading Correa would be a bad idea this year. He is too crucial to our lineup and our defense.

    I can't remember a deeper Twins team than our everyday roster (even as Miranda, Kiriloff are under-performing). Up and down our lineups, this team can hurt you--our depth is fun to see! And Correa as a leader is crucial.

    We have depth elsewhere that can be dealt. 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    On 6/20/2022 at 7:55 AM, Richie the Rally Goat said:

    I don’t really get where trading away established major leaguers improves a contending team.

    It really depends on the weaknesses of other playoff contenders. E.g., someone earlier mentioned the Padres might want to acquire an outfielder. So someone like Kepler can step in and right away cover RF, backup CF, and provide ribbie power.

    A big need of ours is front of the rotation. I'm pulling for Bundy because I think he's battling his butt off for us, but I think his injuries in recent years have taken a toll and he isn't going to lead us to the promised land. So we have a big need to upgrade there.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites




    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
    Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

    Guest
    Add a comment...

    ×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

      Only 75 emoji are allowed.

    ×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

    ×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

    ×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

    Loading...

×
×
  • Create New...