BREAKING: Twins Option Royce Lewis to Minor Leagues, Will Call Up Orlando Arcia

[NYCTK]

24 minutes ago, djvang said:

Relievers are always a crap shoot. They can go from good to bad and vice versa in a second. 

2025's highest paid free agent RP went on to get hurt and prove himself a replacement level RP with the Dodgers. 

2026's highest paid free agent RP went on to get hurt and has thus far proven himself a replacement level RP with the Dodgers. 

[1985Fan]

2 hours ago, NYCTK said:

Why are we blaming the previous GM for the player that explicitly said he refused to accept coaching? 

I blame the previous GM for the failure of the Twins player development system. Lewis is just one example. Falvey was the POBO, thus he’s accepts the blame for the dismal results. 
As far as Lewis not accepting coaching that may be true. No one from outside the organization knows what is or was happening between Lewis and the coaches, including you. 

[tony&rodney]

10 hours ago, NYCTK said:

First, I don't know that I appreciate you using East Coast with a derogatory implication.

Second, the point is pretty bad, considering the pundits think piece trade proposals will be far more grounded in reality than Midwest armchair managers like the offseason suggestions around here that the Twins should trade Joe Ryan for Nolan McLean for example. 

The Twins will not receive a top 10 overall prospect for Joe Ryan and insisting on it is foolish. They CAN receive a top 15-30 overall prospect (and maybe like the 85th or something), and he would instantly become the Twins 2nd best prospect. 

Doing this in periods where you're actually competitive is understandable. We saw the Brewers entering the season expecting to be true contenders with 2 top of the rotation starters with one remaining year of control - they traded one and kept the other.

The Twins could try to extend one of the two and trade the other, but for a bad team like the Twins to allow a player to walk and only receive the 34th overall draft pick in return, that's both weakening the team and stretching out the rebuild. It would be mismanagement that should result in a firing.  

Always enjoy your Mets fan viewpoint. 

Fair point - I should definitely not blame East Coast pundits. That was poor and reflected my ptsd from reading so many Yankee/Mets trade offers last winter that offered utility players for Ryan, Lopez, Buxton. Apologies. 

I can agree that it is unlikely the Twins receive a Top 10 player but maybe, just maybe, it is possible to include a player or two along with Ryan to tempt a team. The larger point is that I'm not seeing a ton of players I'm interested in that are remotely available. Teams that are rebuilding are not trading for Ryan and most teams that want Joe don't have that much worth talking about. Maybe you have some ideas. The only team that might be interested and that might (might) provide a possibility is Boston and I don't think they will part with Arias and Eyanson for Ryan.

Ryan has 2027 and if a trade offer is going to improve the roster that is always worth the gamble. I'm in favor of making any interested team come with a really good offer. The Twins can wait until July of 2027 or with the right offer they can do a transaction tomorrow. I simply don't think the Twins must trade Ryan. Value must be returned. The Twins do not need any more DH types or maybe might be good players. 

It isn't terribly likely you and I will agree on what value Ryan has for a team. He is currently pitching quite well for a team that is pretty challenged defensively and the offense has not given him a ton of runs to cruise through his games. I put Ryan easily among the top twenty starting pitchers in MLB. He is fun to play behind, watch, and a crowd pleaser. Sometimes that is a guy to keep. Whether the Twins can sign Ryan is debatable and seemingly unlikely. Maybe West Sacramento wants to invest in Joe Ryan. The Giants would almost certainly be his preferred destination but they are a little slim in pickings.

This will all be regurgitated plenty of times as the season reaches the trade deadline .... and then there is next offseason.

FWIW, I was willing to accept Nolan McLean for Joe Ryan. However I was very clear that the Mets should not and absolutely would not trade the young hurler and that any idea of such a transaction was ludicrous. I don't remember anyone suggesting such a deal. If I had to pick who would pitch for me in a playoff game this season, I would pick Joe Ryan. McLean clearly has more value due to years of control and potential for improvement. 

[Riverbrian]

21 hours ago, NYCTK said:

Why are we blaming the previous GM for the player that explicitly said he refused to accept coaching? 

 

You disprove the very theory you're mad about. Seeing as how Martin is 5th in plate appearances and will very likely finish top 3 on the team, barring injury. 

 

Honestly, wtf are you taking about? Wallner has fewer trips to the plate than Martin and is now in AAA. Are you suggesting that every single player in the Twins organization should be considered equal at all times? I see you found a new buzzword you like, but all "predetermination" is is a range of expected player production based on track record and skill set. 

Martin sucked in 2024, got hurt and effectively missed the first half of 2025, and then played his way into becoming what is effectively an every day player since August 2025. He's played 93 of 103 games since then, more than anyone besides Brooks Lee. 

It seems like you just have narratives in your head and mold reality in order to fit it. 

"Predetermination is a range of expected player production based on track record and skill set".

Nice job with a definition... you feckless 1st grader. Just stop with your elementary points. Step up your game and quit being stupid. 

In regards to Wallner and Lewis... was the Twins front office correct in it's predetermination? Did the March, April and May performance of Wallner and Lewis match the predetermined expectation? Did they miss by a little or a lot? 

Just answer this question and this question only. Did the front office get it right? 

That's it... don't try to figure anything else out. You don't have the ability and those who give you a thumbs up don't have the ability to move beyond that point. So just keep it simple. Did the front office get Wallner and Lewis right. 

One last thing. Don't look up AB's on May 21 to make your belligerent points. It's incredibly elementary. 

Anybody who was been paying attention understand that Martin and Larnach were platoon partners while Wallner played every day. Predetermined roles coming out of spring training.

WAS THE FRONT OFFICE CORRECT OR WERE THEY WRONG ON LEWIS AND WALLNER!

Do you understand that question or do I have to speak 1st grade to you? 

 

[mnfireman]

21 hours ago, NYCTK said:

First, I don't know that I appreciate you using East Coast with a derogatory implication.

Second, the point is pretty bad, considering the pundits think piece trade proposals will be far more grounded in reality than Midwest armchair managers like the offseason suggestions around here that the Twins should trade Joe Ryan for Nolan McLean for example. 

The Twins will not receive a top 10 overall prospect for Joe Ryan and insisting on it is foolish. They CAN receive a top 15-30 overall prospect (and maybe like the 85th or something), and he would instantly become the Twins 2nd best prospect.  

1. East Coast Bias is a real thing - most East Coast fans and most of the major media in any sport don't think superstars should play anywhere but NYC, Boston, Philly, etc... Fans spit balling trades is one thing, actual members of the media doing so (and being serious about it) is another.

2. Just this morning I found 5 articles rumoring that Buxton should be/will be traded, 3 suggesting NYY, Philly or ATL, a 4th was behind a paywall (I will assume because was Tim Dierkes at MLBTR it was suggesting an East Coast team) and the other team mentioned was Cincinnati. 5 articles written about trading a guy with both a no-trade clause and 10 & 5 rights, most suggesting he be traded to an East Coast team....yeah, there's no media/pundit bias there at all!!! 

3. Before the 2025 season McLean (your trade example) was ranked #99 by BA, #74 by BP and not a Top 100 prospect in the eyes of MLB.com or FanGraphs, so roughly a #85 prospect or lower, and would have been easily attainable in a Ryan (or Lopez) trade in 2025 by your estimate of trade return. Before 2026 he was never ranked as the best prospect in the Mets system, but the Mets were right to not trade him as he has outperformed expectations.

[jmlease1]

19 minutes ago, mnfireman said:

1. East Coast Bias is a real thing - most East Coast fans and most of the major media in any sport don't think superstars should play anywhere but NYC, Boston, Philly, etc... Fans spit balling trades is one thing, actual members of the media doing so (and being serious about it) is another.

There's increasing West Coast Bias too, but regardless the media loooooves to try and pry star players out of smaller markets. Look at what's going on with Ant & the Wolves. Zero indicators that he's unhappy in MN, his team has been quite good over the last 3 seasons, but because the Wolves lost in the playoffs you have multiple media members talking up trades to "get him out of MN". (none of these trade ideas are good in any way for the Wolves, of course) It's the same thing with any of the trade ideas being floated for Buxton or Ryan right now.

[NYCTK]

1 hour ago, mnfireman said:

1. East Coast Bias is a real thing - most East Coast fans and most of the major media in any sport don't think superstars should play anywhere but NYC, Boston, Philly, etc... Fans spit balling trades is one thing, actual members of the media doing so (and being serious about it) is another.

 

This is just stupid. There are biases, obviously. Media pundits hype up the best teams in their leagues. In the MLB right now that's the Yankees and the Dodgers and in many ways Milwaukee. In the NBA you see it with OKC, hardly an East Coast team. In the NFL it was the Chiefs for like a decade. Where are the Chiefs located? 

There's no anti-Midwest bias in New York. No pundits care about the feelings of any fans other than getting clicks. They propose trades between good teams (buyers) and bad teams (sellers) that they think feel fair. Sometimes those trades are ridiculous, and sometimes those proposals are spot on. 

As for fans thinking players should want to play for their teams...no ****? I've seen Twins fans thinking the Twins should sign or trade for certain players...is that Midwest Bias? 

1 hour ago, mnfireman said:

2. Just this morning I found 5 articles rumoring that Buxton should be/will be traded, 3 suggesting NYY, Philly or ATL, a 4th was behind a paywall (I will assume because was Tim Dierkes at MLBTR it was suggesting an East Coast team) and the other team mentioned was Cincinnati. 5 articles written about trading a guy with both a no-trade clause and 10 & 5 rights, most suggesting he be traded to an East Coast team....yeah, there's no media/pundit bias there at all!!! 

People here have also been talking about trading Buxton, the pros and cons, myself included. Almost as if media members write what they think fans want to read...

Ah yes, those well known East Coast metropolitan areas of Atlanta and Cincinnati. 

1 hour ago, mnfireman said:

3. Before the 2025 season McLean (your trade example) was ranked #99 by BA, #74 by BP and not a Top 100 prospect in the eyes of MLB.com or FanGraphs, so roughly a #85 prospect or lower, and would have been easily attainable in a Ryan (or Lopez) trade in 2025 by your estimate of trade return. Before 2026 he was never ranked as the best prospect in the Mets system, but the Mets were right to not trade him as he has outperformed expectations.

Almost as if a full season of prospect development, the first in which he was a full-time pitcher in his career, is important. 

He hasn't really even outperformed expectations. Going into the season he was the odds favorite for NL Rookie of the Year. He's lived up to his expectations. And thats including 3 of his last 4 starts being pretty poor. 

It was Midwest Bias for Twins fans to think they could trade Joe Ryan and receive Nolan McLean, at least based on the apparent colloquial definition of regional bias here on TwinsDaily. 

1 hour ago, jmlease1 said:

There's increasing West Coast Bias too, but regardless the media loooooves to try and pry star players out of smaller markets.

They try to prognosticate. Bad teams sell, good teams buy. The Twins are bad so they will almost certainly be sellers, which means many pundits (AND TWINS FANS ON THIS SITE) will propose Joe Ryan trades with potential buyers. This isn't an attempt to pry star players out of smaller markets. 

I'm afraid this is tribal thought in action, that any negatively tinged media coverage is therefore bias. It's obviously not just Minnesota that feels this, just look at Twitter for any sports fandom and you'll see this same idea that it's "US vs THEM". 

1 hour ago, jmlease1 said:

Zero indicators that he's unhappy in MN, his team has been quite good over the last 3 seasons, but because the Wolves lost in the playoffs you have multiple media members talking up trades to "get him out of MN".

I've quite literally not seen one mention of that, which isn't to say it's not been said, but it seems more so that you're getting mad at one or two random articles that were created to get you mad and get your attention. You were successfully rage-baited.  

Looking into it, the East Coast-bias media member is none other than...Darren Wolfson, longtime Minnesota reporter. 

I've also seen "media members" saying the Mets need to trade Fransisco Lindor. Is that an anti-East Coast bias? Or is it just that media members create media, and that it's often low quality drivel just to draw attention? 

 

3 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

"Predetermination is a range of expected player production based on track record and skill set".

Nice job with a definition... you feckless 1st grader. Just stop with your elementary points. Step up your game and quit being stupid. 

In regards to Wallner and Lewis... was the Twins front office correct in it's predetermination? Did the March, April and May performance of Wallner and Lewis match the predetermined expectation? Did they miss by a little or a lot? 

Just answer this question and this question only. Did the front office get it right? 

That's it... don't try to figure anything else out. You don't have the ability and those who give you a thumbs up don't have the ability to move beyond that point. So just keep it simple. Did the front office get Wallner and Lewis right. 

One last thing. Don't look up AB's on May 21 to make your belligerent points. It's incredibly elementary. 

Anybody who was been paying attention understand that Martin and Larnach were platoon partners while Wallner played every day. Predetermined roles coming out of spring training.

WAS THE FRONT OFFICE CORRECT OR WERE THEY WRONG ON LEWIS AND WALLNER!

Do you understand that question or do I have to speak 1st grade to you? 

 

Honestly man, what are you mad about? You're mad that the Twins front office gave playing time to Twins players, and then adjusted based on their results and now demoted them. 

They "predetermined" they would be the starting 3B and RF and then "postdetermined" that it wasn't working out. 

Would it have been better to "predetermine" that every single player in the Twins system was fighting to win playing time at 3B? Should Justin Topa have been considered for the role? After all, it's wrong to "predetermine" he's a RP when he's a baseball player first and foremost. Or something. 

I repeat, because you seem not to realize this...Austin Martin has played the 2nd most games since August 1st of ANY Twin. You wanted him to be able break "predetermined" roles and win more playing time...something he had already done. 

Your insults are quite hilarious BTW, what is a feckless 1st grader? I'm really bad at 1st grade? Sure. Seems like you just got mad and started mad-libbing an insult.

But I'm happy you apparently have a word-of-the-day calendar and predetermination popped up last week and feckless popped up the other day. Keep expanding that vocabulary bud. 

[Original_JB]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2026/05/jose-berrios-undergoes-tommy-john-surgery.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news-2026-05-21#h=169267

Looks like TOR could use some starter help.....  

And this is all I meant by trading Ryan while the iron is hot. It's free to "ask for the moon" whenever you want. For some of these big spending teams, they still have a chance to get their season straightened out, and they might roll the dice to acquire a guy that isn't just a rental well before the deadline to do so.  Possibly McAdoo and some kids that will be cheap and ready come post-'27 or whatever. The Twins are going to need some creativity and I guess I don't know how much walk-up attendance would be affected between now and the deadline by trading Ryan earlier (signaling a white flag). I guess it's just a risk management decision.

[NYCTK]

12 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

The larger point is that I'm not seeing a ton of players I'm interested in that are remotely available. Teams that are rebuilding are not trading for Ryan and most teams that want Joe don't have that much worth talking about. Maybe you have some ideas. The only team that might be interested and that might (might) provide a possibility is Boston and I don't think they will part with Arias and Eyanson for Ryan.

Fair. Teams just aren't really interested in shaking things up this early in the season unless something happens. The Tigers might be an interesting trade partner since they're in free fall without Skubal. Don't know what's in their system so can't speak to that. 

Unless miracles happen, the Twins can and should explore trading Ryan before the deadline, but like you're saying, it's fine to wait too. I see nothing wrong with that. I remember rumblings, I think rumor not reporting, that Tolle was on the table in exchange for Ryan. If that's the case, that and a low/non-top 100 prospect are the appropriate goals in return.

I was trying to manifest a Jett Williams trade for the Twins, and he's still looking like he could be anywhere between Turang or Joey Ortiz in the Brewers AAA. I still think that was the deal the Twins should have been hunting, but with Stearns history in Milwaukee I think he had a bias towards the Brewers system that would have been harder to overcome, but that's another top of the trade target player that I would love to see come back to Minnesota. 

12 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

FWIW, I was willing to accept Nolan McLean for Joe Ryan. However I was very clear that the Mets should not and absolutely would not trade the young hurler and that any idea of such a transaction was ludicrous. I don't remember anyone suggesting such a deal.

In the real world there was none. But here there were plenty. I only mentioned it because fans will simultaneously propose ridiculously biased trade ideas while complaining about East Coast bias.

And to be clear, that comment from me was fairly lighthearted, not an attack on you, more so a general eyeroll type of comment. The sort of response you'd expect from a Midwestener if an East Coast resident called Minnesota flyover country in conversation, for example. 

[Chembry]

2 hours ago, mnfireman said:

2. Just this morning I found 5 articles rumoring that Buxton should be/will be traded, 3 suggesting NYY, Philly or ATL, a 4th was behind a paywall (I will assume because was Tim Dierkes at MLBTR it was suggesting an East Coast team) and the other team mentioned was Cincinnati. 5 articles written about trading a guy with both a no-trade clause and 10 & 5 rights, most suggesting he be traded to an East Coast team....yeah, there's no media/pundit bias there at all!!! 

This was a mailbag question at MLBTR.  Someone asked if there is any hope that Buxton will roam the outfield of Truist Park.

Dierkes response was: Buxton, who has a full NTC and 10/5 rights, has been adamant about being a Twin for life and stated that publicly many times.  Buxton did express frustration that the Twins themselves didn't shut down trade rumors.  He went on to say that Buxton "may" listen on teams if Ryan and Jeffers are traded (this was written before Jeffers got hurt).  Of course, Buxton would be a good fit for the Braves, but he would also help a myriad of other teams.  The overall tone of Dierkes response is that it's highly unlikely Buxton moves anywhere. 

Dierkes didn't suggest any trades to any team.  All MLBTR writers, within the past 6 months, have taken the stance that the likelihood of a Buxton trade is very small.  

[NYCTK]

4 minutes ago, Chembry said:

This was a mailbag question at MLBTR.  Someone asked if there is any hope that Buxton will roam the outfield of Truist Park.

Dierkes response was: Buxton, who has a full NTC and 10/5 rights, has been adamant about being a Twin for life and stated that publicly many times.  Buxton did express frustration that the Twins themselves didn't shut down trade rumors.  He went on to say that Buxton "may" listen on teams if Ryan and Jeffers are traded (this was written before Jeffers got hurt).  Of course, Buxton would be a good fit for the Braves, but he would also help a myriad of other teams.  The overall tone of Dierkes response is that it's highly unlikely Buxton moves anywhere. 

Dierkes didn't suggest any trades to any team.  All MLBTR writers, within the past 6 months, have taken the stance that the likelihood of a Buxton trade is very small.  

Man. It almost seems as though the bias is coming from within the house...ie some fans are so biased they see any sort of discourse of potential or unlikely transactions as personal attacks. 

[Riverbrian]

1 hour ago, NYCTK said:

Honestly man, what are you mad about? You're mad that the Twins front office gave playing time to Twins players, and then adjusted based on their results and now demoted them. 

They "predetermined" they would be the starting 3B and RF and then "postdetermined" that it wasn't working out. 

Would it have been better to "predetermine" that every single player in the Twins system was fighting to win playing time at 3B? Should Justin Topa have been considered for the role? After all, it's wrong to "predetermine" he's a RP when he's a baseball player first and foremost. Or something. 

I repeat, because you seem not to realize this...Austin Martin has played the 2nd most games since August 1st of ANY Twin. You wanted him to be able break "predetermined" roles and win more playing time...something he had already done. 

Your insults are quite hilarious BTW, what is a feckless 1st grader? I'm really bad at 1st grade? Sure. Seems like you just got mad and started mad-libbing an insult.

But I'm happy you apparently have a word-of-the-day calendar and predetermination popped up last week and feckless popped up the other day. Keep expanding that vocabulary bud. 

I'm not mad... I'm not even saying that the Twins handled it wrong. I just rather not deal with you. My issue is with you... it's always been with you. I've gone over this way too much with you. You are not worth the effort. 

Answer the question... it's one question. Did they get it wrong in regards to Wallner and Lewis, Did they get it wrong in regards to Miranda and many others. Did the Mets get it wrong with certain players. Do all 30 teams get it wrong from time to time... not just the Twins... get it wrong from time to time. 

If you agree that they they do get it wrong... we will find some common ground and maybe move forward from there.  

We won't find common ground if you are just going to throw elementary stuff at me like They predetermined and they post determined. I'm aware what they predetermined and post determined. If you are going to throw TOPA into the 3B discussion... you are just being an ass and I'd rather not deal with you.   

If you don't think I don't know where Austin Martin totals are... you are not worth my time. I know the current numbers are... I know where they were in April. 

If that's all you got. You got nothing. Just answer the question... or shut up.  

[NYCTK]

16 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

Answer the question... it's one question. Did they get it wrong in regards to Wallner and Lewis, Did they get it wrong in regards to Miranda and many others. Did the Mets get it wrong with certain players. Do all 30 teams get it wrong from time to time... not just the Twins... get it wrong from time to time. 

Obviously. No one has ever argued that you can predict with 100% certainty how a player will play. 

If that's your whole point, I don't know why you're fighting straw men. 

[Riverbrian]

6 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

Obviously. No one has ever argued that you can predict with 100% certainty how a player will play. 

If that's your whole point, I don't know why you're fighting straw men. 

OK... if you believe that. We have common ground and we don't need to insult each other. You don't have to throw "straw men" at me. 

The Next question. How do you fix this problem that occurs with all 30 teams. If all teams get it wrong from time to time and we agree that they do. How do you fix it? Is it impossible to fix? Should all teams just accept it and take the consequences of these missed assessments? 

I'm not asking the question in an insulting nature. It's not an easy answer but it's an easy question. How can any organization minimize this problem of players not meeting expectation and in some cases like Wallner and Lewis... not meeting expectation by performing at such a basement level that Tristan Gray is actually the better player.   

 

[NYCTK]

3 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

If all teams get it wrong from time to time and we agree that they do. How do you fix it?

You weren't wrong with your first thought: 

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You have to get out of the way and let the players sort it out... you staff your entire roster...you staff it for competition. 26 players who can play on your roster and you have to let them compete for playing time.

But this sort of comment makes me chuckle when I know you primarily as one of the people here that will inevitably complain about veterans brought in to fill out the roster. 

You complained about; Bader, France, Santana and I'm sure many more. 

[RpR]

On 5/19/2026 at 4:33 PM, djvang said:

Is he another David Ortiz? Or Miguel Sano? 

La Tortuga Astudillo.

[Riverbrian]

57 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

 

But this sort of comment makes me chuckle when I know you primarily as one of the people here that will inevitably complain about veterans brought in to fill out the roster. 

You complained about; Bader, France, Santana and I'm sure many more. 

This can tie together with other points but it's really a separate thought from the executive failure rate across baseball. 

It's the one year deal that I complain about. No matter how the player performs for us... the player won't be back. It was never anything personal against Bader, France, Santana or Margot for that matter. 

I remember you saying that we are going to like Bader. You were right... I really enjoyed watching Bader play for the Twins. Bader wasn't going to be back the next year and that was my issue with Bader and it's still my issue with Bader. It's my opinion that the Twins have to turn the development faucet on... because we don't have the budget to make free agency work for us. We need to get into the better end of the free agent pool and we won't get there draining our budget year after year with lower value free agents eating the majority of the budget. 

I thought Santana had a nice year. I was a big fan of Solono. I hated Margot and I didn't like France but none of that matters to me. If they were good of they were bad... they would not be back the following year and we need longer term solutions... we need to develop better than we are developing. 

My complaint about these players was the need for these players. A need that developed because of the lack of development. The filling of the same hole every year. Over and over again. 

In the end... Bader might have become an important acquisition despite my objections because he played well enough to bring back Henry Mendez in a trade. If Henry works out... Bader was not a short term fix... he became a longer term fix. I see that... I get that. Things are not black and white with me... they are not either or. 

 

 

[NYCTK]

2 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

This can tie together with other points but it's really a separate thought from the executive failure rate across baseball. 

As much as I hate The Man, players underperforming is way more a PLAYER failure than an EXECUTIVE failure. 

 

3 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

We need to get into the better end of the free agent pool and we won't get there draining our budget year after year with lower value free agents eating the majority of the budget. 

So...this is why talking with you is maddening.

On the one hand, the team needs to put together a 26 man roster, fill holes and allow competition and players to move up and down the depth chart. But on the other hand, they shouldn't bring in cheap players to actually do that. Instead, they should just do that at no cost...or only for premium Free Agents, which often aren't even available. 

Even if the Twins were capable of attracting more Correa's, true big money stars to add to the roster, there are always going to be holes to patch. As we saw when the Twins had Correa but still needed to bring in the likes of Bader to fill a 4th OF role that eventually grew to a near every day role when the predetermination failed due to injury and underperformance. 

7 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

.. we need to develop better than we are developing. 

Again I say, no one has ever suggested otherwise. So you're arguing with a straw man. 

9 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

My complaint about these players was the need for these players. A need that developed because of the lack of development.

Can you believe those poorly managed Milwaukee Brewers? They brought in Luis Rengifo and Gary Sanchez on one year major league deals this season. A true testament to their failure as an organization to develop every single need for their roster

...OR...

maybe every team will bring in vets on one year deals to fill in depth and you have consistently gotten agitated over a complete nonissue?

Nah. That can't be right. 

[Original_JB]

"maybe every team will bring in vets on one year deals to fill in depth and you have consistently gotten agitated over a complete nonissue?"

Except the Twins don't bring them in for "depth"; they bring them in in quasi-starting or heavy platoon roles.

[Riverbrian]

8 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

So you're arguing with a straw man. 

You are going on ignore. Don't respond to my posts. I will tear you to pieces if you do. 

[NYCTK]

18 hours ago, Original_JB said:

they bring them in in quasi-starting or heavy platoon roles.

 I hate to break it to you...that's called depth. No one brings in a player to NOT use them. 

Regnifo has the 5th most PAs for the Brewers, Sanchez the 9th.

[Original_JB]

17 hours ago, NYCTK said:

 I hate to break it to you...that's called depth. No one brings in a player to NOT use them. 

Regnifo has the 5th most PAs for the Brewers, Sanchez the 9th.

yes, yes they do; they bring in guys every year hoping they don't have to use them; doesn't mean they won't, but it isn't their preference. I'm not going digging and not "all in" on MIL, so I'll just ask, what roles were those two brought in to have? bench players? Have they performed better than the people they were supposed to be "backing up"? If yes, that's why they have the most PAs, you play the guys that are getting the job done, but in reality, are either of these guys going to replace the "starter" permanently? No. 

[NYCTK]

16 hours ago, Original_JB said:

16 hours ago, Original_JB said:

what roles were those two brought in to have? bench players? Have they performed better than the people they were supposed to be "backing up"? If yes, that's why they have the most PAs, you play the guys that are getting the job done,

Ironically, no. lol

If I'm not mistaken, Joey Ortiz was expected to get the bulk of the playing time at SS with David Hamilton at 3B. But Ortiz has stunk it up and lost a lot of playing time to Rengifo who is actually hitting even worse! 

Brewers fans are probably getting antsy, wanting to see one of their 2 very good AAA MIF prospects called up!  

[USAFChief]

[Linus]

2 hours ago, USAFChief said:

It’s a right and a left, and another right!

[JADBP]

On 5/19/2026 at 8:20 PM, Riverbrian said:

It happens every year... they get some of the players wrong. All 30 organizations. 

Yeah but not all 30 go through this the same way.  The LAD have very few, if any, Wallners on the team. They were given the corner pocket a very long time ago.  Then the LAD just go out and buy a great replacement.  

[Riverbrian]

20 hours ago, JADBP said:

Yeah but not all 30 go through this the same way.  The LAD have very few, if any, Wallners on the team. They were given the corner pocket a very long time ago.  Then the LAD just go out and buy a great replacement.  

The Dodgers have had the same issues. Even for those with money falling out of their pockets... the process is still hard.  

James Outman for example. The Dodgers believed in him. The Dodgers didn't have to go with a young Outman.. they could have traded for a CF... signed a CF... they are the Dodgers... they have resources to  go almost anywhere and they chose Outman. They chose him on purpose to be the Opening day 2024 CF. They forsake all of the others and chose Outman. and they missed... missed on Lux as well. 

You are correct. The Dodgers can buy Kyle Tucker. The Twins can't.

The Dodgers have the money to pave over Outman and Lux mistakes. The Twins don't have the money and because they don't... a Royce Lewis sized missed calculation leads to the utilization of guys that most folks refer to as bench or role players. 

The Dodgers sign Tucker, The Twins sign at the other end of the spectrum. They can't win the free agent game... they can't. They shouldn't even try. They need to win the mitigation of mistakes game and there is only one way to mitigate these mistakes because they are too hard to avoid.  

 

[JADBP]

On 5/23/2026 at 4:56 PM, Riverbrian said:

The Dodgers have had the same issues. Even for those with money falling out of their pockets... the process is still hard.  

James Outman for example. The Dodgers believed in him. The Dodgers didn't have to go with a young Outman.. they could have traded for a CF... signed a CF... they are the Dodgers... they have resources to  go almost anywhere and they chose Outman. They chose him on purpose to be the Opening day 2024 CF. They forsake all of the others and chose Outman. and they missed... missed on Lux as well. 

You are correct. The Dodgers can buy Kyle Tucker. The Twins can't.

The Dodgers have the money to pave over Outman and Lux mistakes. The Twins don't have the money and because they don't... a Royce Lewis sized missed calculation leads to the utilization of guys that most folks refer to as bench or role players. 

The Dodgers sign Tucker, The Twins sign at the other end of the spectrum. They can't win the free agent game... they can't. They shouldn't even try. They need to win the mitigation of mistakes game and there is only one way to mitigate these mistakes because they are too hard to avoid.  

 

I think we are saying the same thing. Sure, the LAD tried Outman in CF for a couple of good chances before they subbed in Pages.  Maybe they rushed Pages up a bit but they couldn’t continue with Outman.  So they moved on.  
 

The Twins, on the other hand, brought Wallner up on 2022… and still he has made little progress.  The LAD world not give a player 4 years to learn the Biggs.   
 

Wallner has only two of five skills: arm and power.  He has had countless chances over 4 MLB seasons to develop into a better hitter/fielder.  He has consistently failed.  
 

My point was that the LAD would not have given Wallner 4 years.  

[Riverbrian]

2 hours ago, JADBP said:

I think we are saying the same thing. Sure, the LAD tried Outman in CF for a couple of good chances before they subbed in Pages.  Maybe they rushed Pages up a bit but they couldn’t continue with Outman.  So they moved on.  
 

The Twins, on the other hand, brought Wallner up on 2022… and still he has made little progress.  The LAD world not give a player 4 years to learn the Biggs.   
 

Wallner has only two of five skills: arm and power.  He has had countless chances over 4 MLB seasons to develop into a better hitter/fielder.  He has consistently failed.  
 

My point was that the LAD would not have given Wallner 4 years.  

Maybe... Hard to say. 

I agree that the Dodgers simply don't have to patient with prospects. However,... Offensively... Statistically... Wallner is a lot like Max Muncy. 

On the other hand... There is no way he stays up with the Dodgers this year. Maybe not 2025 either... But 2023 and 2024... The Dodgers would have been happy. 

My guess... is that they would have traded him for a Lance Lynn or something like that. 

[stringer bell]

Back to Lewis and Lee--There is no statistic that shows that Brooks Lee is a better defensive third baseman than Royce Lewis. Lee is currently playing third base because he is hitting slightly above league average and he has shown that he isn't an everyday major league shortstop due to his tools (or lack thereof). In the last year, Brooks and Royce have similar OPS numbers, but Lewis has had about 100 fewer plate appearances and less productivity. He's been better than Lewis by a significant margin. Lee doesn't have the tools that Lewis has demonstrated, but he's a switch hitter with better bat-to-ball skills who has been available to play almost every day.

Lewis missed ten days this season and wasn't healthy much of last year. His performance this spring was lousy with no obvious way out. He's showing signs in St. Paul of having found his groove, but AAA isn't MLB. Meanwhile, Lewis is taking heat for his off-field remarks and supposed attitude issues. Has he burned his bridges with the Twins organization? I don't know one way or another. I do think his tools and early performance are enough to at least give him one more chance with the team that selected him #1-1. 

The odds are probably against him, but the upside is IMHO worth the extra chances.