Could Minnesota Go the "Miguel Sanó Reset" Route with a Struggling Royce Lewis?

[Parfigliano]

1 hour ago, NYCTK said:

Can't wait for DaShawn Jr to rake in AAA and have people forget how he played in the show. 

I won't forget.

[Althebum82]

Yes. 

Let's take a lesson from history that this outside-the box thinking worked once (at least for the balance of a season) and send him to Fort Myers using whatever narrative that makes sense to explain it.

But please, for the love of Abraham, stop calling it Fort Meyers.

[MileHighTwinsFan]

1 hour ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Really? Does a 29 year old raking really in AAA translate to the majors?

Good question, but the numbers for Gasper are eye-popping. Meanwhile, Julien and Miranda continue to struggle in AAA.  I would rather see one of those two getting the call, but they have not earned it. 

[MileHighTwinsFan]

3 hours ago, DJL44 said:

BTW - are we going to get an article every day about sending Royce Lewis to the minors? If so, can you change the name of the website to "Send Royce Lewis to the Minors Daily"?

Totally disagree.  I would happily read an article a day on Royce Lewis' struggles/progress than another piece on prospective trades that will never happen or another article complaining about the Pohlads.  Examining the performance of players on the squad is why I read TwinsDaily.

[MileHighTwinsFan]

1 hour ago, Nick Nelson said:

Am I missing something? From what I can see there has been one front-page article before this one about the concept of a Royce Lewis demotion, and it was assessing the more traditional idea of sending him to Triple-A. IMO the parallel between Miguel Sano and the actions that were taken in his case is a unique idea worth unpacking on its own. Where is the overlap exactly?

BTW - in between the two articles about Lewis and what to do with him, there were 11 front-page articles focusing on different topics. On a weekend.

I'm with you, brother.  Let the complainers, complain.  

[old nurse]

2 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

I would think there would be some oversight.

There is, it is called the click meter.. 

[MileHighTwinsFan]

1 hour ago, NYCTK said:

Can't wait for DaShawn Jr to rake in AAA and have people forget how he played in the show. 

@NYCTKWho do you think should be called up if Lewis is sent down? I am curious. 

[old nurse]

1 hour ago, Craig Arko said:

This seems like a sound approach. I’d do it.

No, but there is somebody who will force you to comment on every article. 

[Patzky]

48 minutes ago, MileHighTwinsFan said:

Good question, but the numbers for Gasper are eye-popping. Meanwhile, Julien and Miranda continue to struggle in AAA.  I would rather see one of those two getting the call, but they have not earned it. 

Miranda is getting.. Tepid. Just change his 64 and he'll come around.  Julien's 47 isn't going to inspire permanence and belonging either. C'mon clubhouse guy. Give em real numbers and I'm sure they'll come around. Worked for Bader and France.

[Twodogs]

2 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Really? Does a 29 year old raking really in AAA translate to the majors?

Kody Clemons comes to mind.  I believe he's 29?  

I'm not a Gaspar fan, but, if he's hot he might have enough confidence to come up and hit .250 for a limited amount of time while Lewis finds himself.  He won't be an all star, but will probably do better than hitting a buck 0 five

[mikelink45]

When Royce came up and mashed he was cocky and confident.  Now he is morose and confused - the reset is as much mental as physical  He needs to go somewhere that he can start hitting and feel good about himself again.

[Twodogs]

I'm just curious, how did sending Sano down to Ft. Meyers work out in the long run?  Obviously something is wrong with Lewis, and he needs to go down and get at bats and some confidence.  I'd hope St. Paul would be the best.  

[Craig Arko]

25 minutes ago, old nurse said:

No, but there is somebody who will force you to comment on every article. 

Who’d you have in mind?

[NYCTK]

32 minutes ago, MileHighTwinsFan said:

@NYCTKWho do you think should be called up if Lewis is sent down? I am curious. 

I haven't examined their roster close enough and their options aren't great but:

a) McCusker if they just want a bat but they didn't give him any look when he was up so no real point, so Gasper if you want to just store a bat

b) Fitzergerald if they want an IF defense only

c) Keirsey if they want an OF defense only

[NYCTK]

1 hour ago, Althebum82 said:

Yes. 

Let's take a lesson from history that this outside-the box thinking worked once (at least for the balance of a season) and send him to Fort Myers using whatever narrative that makes sense to explain it.

But please, for the love of Abraham, stop calling it Fort Meyers.

We should send Kiersey, Paddock, Gaspar, and Cody Clemens to Fort Meyers. Open up space on the roster for Pete Alonzo. 

[Bodie]

2 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Really? Does a 29 year old raking really in AAA translate to the majors?

McCusker raked, so, so should Luigi's pornostache...

[TwinsDr2021]

23 minutes ago, Twodogs said:

Kody Clemons comes to mind.  I believe he's 29?  

I'm not a Gaspar fan, but, if he's hot he might have enough confidence to come up and hit .250 for a limited amount of time while Lewis finds himself.  He won't be an all star, but will probably do better than hitting a buck 0 five

When did Kody rake in AAA, he hasn't played AAA this year. He had a .937 OPS in AAA in 2023 and a .644 in the majors, Last year .811 in AAA and .706 in the majors.

And yes Clemens had an amazing week plus, but since has came back to earth

1/13 or

2/17 or

3/19 or

or 4/22

or 5/26

after starting 2/15

So could Gasper do this, not if starts 2/15 like Kody did and Kody isn't hitting .250.

 

 

 

[Parfigliano]

32 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

When Royce came up and mashed he was cocky and confident.  Now he is morose and confused - the reset is as much mental as physical  He needs to go somewhere that he can start hitting and feel good about himself again.

TC should really juice his confidence and buy him 400 pitches at an amusement business that has batting cages if those are still in business.

[MileHighTwinsFan]

1 hour ago, NYCTK said:

I haven't examined their roster close enough and their options aren't great but:

a) McCusker if they just want a bat but they didn't give him any look when he was up so no real point, so Gasper if you want to just store a bat

b) Fitzergerald if they want an IF defense only

c) Keirsey if they want an OF defense only

They are all serviceable. Probably a push with Gasper. I would like to see McCusker get a longer look. Problem is that McCusker and Keirsey can’t be recalled for 10 days after being optioned. So , they are not immediately available.

[mnfireman]

6 minutes ago, MileHighTwinsFan said:

They are all serviceable. Probably a push with Gasper. I would like to see McCusker get a longer look. Problem is that McCusker and Keirsey can’t be recalled for 10 days after being optioned. So , they are not immediately available.

If there was a corresponding move to the IL they are available...just sayin'

[Major League Ready]

2 hours ago, Craig Arko said:

Who’d you have in mind?

How about Holland?  983 OPS in AAA last year.  873 this year.  70 grade speed.  Plays multiple positions quite well from what I have seen.

[Road trip]

2 hours ago, Patzky said:

Miranda is getting.. Tepid. Just change his 64 and he'll come around.  Julien's 47 isn't going to inspire permanence and belonging either. C'mon clubhouse guy. Give em real numbers and I'm sure they'll come around. Worked for Bader and France.

I'm with you on the #64, but Jack Morris, Cory Koskie, and Francisco Liriano strongly object to throwing any shade on #47.   

Yeah, I'm also a uniform number geek...

[Patzky]

1 minute ago, Road trip said:

I'm with you on the #64, but Jack Morris, Cory Koskie, and Francisco Liriano strongly object to throwing any shade on #47.   

Yeah, I'm also a uniform number geek...

I guess Torii made 48 work. All these 90s on the Oilers thinking they're almost Gretzky..

[Road trip]

Back to the original topic... I like it.  Sano was actually a FAR more established player when the Twins sent him to Ft Myers.  He already had three years of mostly full time play when healthy,  with well over a thousand plate appearances of pretty good, sometimes great hitting.  It didn't work short term in 2018, but he was quite good the following year.  Maybe it felt more like a "special spring training reboot" than a demotion to AAA?

Lewis meanwhile still hasn't hit 700 MLB plate appearances, and the last 300 or so haven't been inspiring.  Despite a brilliant start Lewis never really reached the "established MLB player" threshold. Sending Lewis to Ft Myers might work, might not, but at this point how could it hurt to try?

[djvang]

I think Lewis' problem is as simple as, pitchers have learned how to pitch to him and he hasn't adjusted. 

[RpR]

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i am amazed at how many here act as if Lewis was their boy, and for him to not be what they want him to be is impossible.

     Right now pitchers know his weak spots, and if he adapts find his new weak spot quickly.  He may become an average journeyman, or he may not.

[MileHighTwinsFan]

1 hour ago, mnfireman said:

If there was a corresponding move to the IL they are available...just sayin'

Don’t think Lewis is injured. If he was, he couldn’t play, which defeats the purpose of sending him down. A rehab stint is limited so I don’t think it is a solution.

[Patzky]

2 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

When did Kody rake in AAA, he hasn't played AAA this year. He had a .937 OPS in AAA in 2023 and a .644 in the majors, Last year .811 in AAA and .706 in the majors.

And yes Clemens had an amazing week plus, but since has came back to earth

1/13 or

2/17 or

3/19 or

or 4/22

or 5/26

after starting 2/15

So could Gasper do this, not if starts 2/15 like Kody did and Kody isn't hitting .250.

 

 

 

The perception seems to lag by four or five games. Jeffers and Clemens have been royal liabilities at the plate for awhile now.

[RpR]

2 hours ago, Parfigliano said:

TC should really juice his confidence and buy him 400 pitches at an amusement business that has batting cages if those are still in business.

It would probably be better if they got him one of these.

[RpR]

10 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

It's not a crazy idea. And maybe it would work better with his headspace than a demotion to AAA? I suspect that's part of what the Twins are trying to navigate right now: what's the right move to handle not just the mechanical aspects but the mental ones. Which is more damaging to Royce's confidence, continuing to struggle against MLB pitching or taking a demotion to the minors? There no "right" answer on that one, either.

As other players have gotten healthy again it seems to be something that's coming in to focus, because the team will actually have some options (even if they're maybe not great ones) again. The talent is there, but it feels like a re-set is necessary. Baseball is a tough game.

Hmm, it seems I wrote on TD to do a Sano with him,  several times  the since the season started, surprise, surprise.