Trade Rumor: Twins more Interested in Reds' Mahle than Castillo

[KBJ1]

None of this means diddly without a bullpen. Get two top Bullpens arms, or forget it.

[Battle ur tail off]

On 7/30/2022 at 4:13 PM, KirbyHawk75 said:

Our farm is not really good right now.  You are getting nothing for Martin or JB.  

And that’s a problem. Martin was the centerpiece of the Berrios trade. People said we win that trade. Hardly. We got a likely corner outfielder that can’t hit and pitching prospect that has no control for the best pitcher we’ve had here since Santana. System should be stocked after trading your #1 starter with years of control left. 
 

I’ll take Berrios leading this rotation right now and they can have back their broken prospects 

[ashbury]

11 minutes ago, Battle ur tail off said:

 with years of control left.

Berrios was not controlled past 2022.

[Battle ur tail off]

2 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Berrios was not controlled past 2022.

Yep so year and a half when we traded. This team needs him. 

[howeda7]

17 minutes ago, Battle ur tail off said:

And that’s a problem. Martin was the centerpiece of the Berrios trade. People said we win that trade. Hardly. We got a likely corner outfielder that can’t hit and pitching prospect that has no control for the best pitcher we’ve had here since Santana. System should be stocked after trading your #1 starter with years of control left. 
 

I’ll take Berrios leading this rotation right now and they can have back their broken prospects 

Our farm system is exactly average. 15th. Plenty of teams ranked lower don't sit on their thumbs at the trade deadline. 

[Danchat]

4 minutes ago, Battle ur tail off said:

Yep so year and a half when we traded. This team needs him. 

We could use him because he's eating innings and is durable, but he's also been a replacement level starter this year. We have enough of those already...

[laloesch]

On 7/28/2022 at 8:34 AM, Brock Beauchamp said:

People don't pay enough attention to just how much Great American hurts flyball pitchers. I don't know if Mahle is top 30 but he's WAY better than his ERA indicates.

I grew up in Cincinnati and remember when they moved from Cinergy to Great America BP in 2003.  It's not THAT bad for flyball pitchers. The problem is that the Reds are cheap and have never put money into the team or adequate pitching long enough for them to compete even after they built that new stadium.  

[Brock Beauchamp]

20 minutes ago, laloesch said:

Nonsense.  I grew up in Cincinnati and remember when they moved from Cinergy to Great America BP in 2003.  It's not that bad there for flyball pitchers. In fact its a pretty generic ball park for the most part and seats well over 40,000 fans. The problem is that the Reds are cheap and have never put money into the team long enough for them to compete even after they built that new stadium.  

Okay, sure. ESPN has Great American as the second highest ballpark factor behind Coors this season and they're regularly top five. The lowest I saw the park is 12th back when the Reds had a good pitching staff.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

Baseball Savant mirrors that data. If the Reds are good, GAB is somewhere in the 8-14 range in ballpark factors. If the Reds are bad, it's top five. That tells me the ballpark is significantly skewed toward hitting because in the past decade, the park has never been in the bottom half of the league, not once.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-factors

Target Field is close to the inverse but plays more neutrally. If the Twins are good, TF regularly sits in the 16-25 range. If the Twins are atrocious, it occasionally cracks the top ten. It never reaches the bottom nor top five of ballparks from what I saw.

[TopGunn#22]

It's getting LATE.  There is no doubt the Twins need a SP and at least one, probably two BP arms even with Alcala and Maeda probably being able to contribute a little "something" to the pen.

I want to make a deal to improve the team for THIS year but also for 2023 and beyond.  I'd be targeting Mahle and Lopez and trying to land one of of them. (maybe Rodon as well, but he's a FA after the season, I'd rather persue him as a FA than give up prospects for two months).  BP options are getting kind of thin as well.  Cleveland and the White Sox are hot on our tail.  We can't afford to stand pat.  

[wabene]

31 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Okay, sure. ESPN has Great American as the second highest ballpark factor behind Coors this season and they're regularly top five. The lowest I saw the park is 12th back when the Reds had a good pitching staff.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

Baseball Savant mirrors that data. If the Reds are good, GAB is somewhere in the 8-14 range in ballpark factors. If the Reds are bad, it's top five. That tells me the ballpark is significantly skewed toward hitting because in the past decade, the park has never been in the bottom half of the league, not once.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-factors

Target Field is close to the inverse but plays more neutrally. If the Twins are good, TF regularly sits in the 16-25 range. If the Twins are atrocious, it occasionally cracks the top ten. It never reaches the bottom nor top five of ballparks from what I saw.

This speaks to what a well designed ballpark TF is and on a small footprint at that. 

[bunsen82]

9 hours ago, Battle ur tail off said:

Yep so year and a half when we traded. This team needs him. 

The team does not need him and his contract.  That was the deal breaker.  Martin will be given another year to see what he is.  As to SWR he has performed very well in AA.   His prospect actually improved.  Martins is down.  Overall maybe slightly below the value when we got them last year.   

[jkcarew]

You nailed it!