Harang

[DaveW]

Go get him!

[jorgenswest]

I don't think I would go get him.

 

We need to develop younger pitchers. Not a soon to be 35 year old whose k-rate is dropping, walk rate increasing and hr rate too low to sustain. Last year his xFIP was 4.95.

 

The solution to getting out of this hole is to invest innings into developing young pitching. Lots of innings were invested in Radke and Viola before they paid off.

[J-Dog Dungan]

It's too late, anyway. Harang was traded to the Rockies a day or two ago.

[RedBull34]

He was immediately demoted, the expectation is that the Rockies are just acting as middle men and willing to deal him quickly. Personally I would rather see Deduno, DeVries, Hernandez, and others competing for the 5 slot than give up anything for him. He is not young and has no chance of being a part of this club in 4 to 5 years when it matters so why even bother.

[kab21]

I don't think I would go get him.

 

We need to develop younger pitchers. Not a soon to be 35 year old whose k-rate is dropping, walk rate increasing and hr rate too low to sustain. Last year his xFIP was 4.95.

 

The solution to getting out of this hole is to invest innings into developing young pitching. Lots of innings were invested in Radke and Viola before they paid off.

 

The problem is that there is very little young pitching to invest innings in other than Gibson.

 

Harang has been wrecked for years and I'm not even sure he's an upgrade for this woeful rotation.

[Top Gun]

No way!

[Haddyz]

Move along... nothing to see here.

...talking about Harang, not your post. Although... eh... ew... no Harang please.

[PseudoSABR]

Look, we like to hate on this, but the Twins have shown some credible prudence in their pitching acquisitions thus far. There's already a backlog of "soon to be available" pitchers, from Diamond to Deduno, to even Gibson. And that's not counting the emergence of someone like Meyer or May. Or the long shots of Harden and Perez. Simply there's no need for Harang.

 

The pitching depth does seem thin currently, but that will soon change, and for the benefit of the team.

 

Edit: Contrary to my opinion:

Sources: #RedSox, #Twins, #Astros all expressing trade interest in Harang, whom #Rockies acquired and designated for assignment yesterday.

[DAM DC Twins Fans]

We already have Pelfrey, Corriea, Harden, and Perez. Isnt that enough mediocre old/injured pitching--we dont need more. We just need time for the kids (Deduno, Diamond, Gibson, May and Meyer) to mature. (I didnt include Hendricks--I dont think he can do it).

[gunnarthor]

I don't think there's a problem adding a guy like Harang, so long as they don't give up much to get him. Right now we have Pedro Hernandez starting. Adding Harang for this season won't hurt the future at all. Worley, Pelfrey and Correia were additions that we hope can eat innings but we don't really have that much depth behind them. Gibson will come up but is on a 130 or so inning limit for the year. De Vries and Deduno are on the DL. I don't know if the team can expect a lot of health out of their stated rotation. I'd rather the team give starts to Harang than to Walters.

[GCTF]

Go get him!

 

Nice to see you've finally given up on DeRosa and have moved on.

[raindog]

Quit trolling, Dave!

[old nurse]

You could trade for him. You could then hope he does well enough that some contender will give you an arm and a leg for him near the trade deadline.

[Otto von Ballpark]

He's pretty expensive too ($7 mil this year, possible $7 million vesting option for 2014 or a $2 mil buyout). If the Rockies were willing to eat most of that salary in return for a mediocre PTBNL, almost any team would be interested, including the Twins. But we don't really need him right now anyway. (Earlier in the offseason would have been a different story.)

 

It is weird that the Rockies traded for him, only to turn around and try to trade him again immediately. I suspect they think they have a decent market for him, whereas the Dodgers had to act fast due to roster considerations. Will be interesting to see where he ends up, and for how much.

[fairweather]

Terry Ryan should be harangued into trading for Harang.

[fairweather]

Well the starting rotation is miserable. 6 games don't prove otherwise.

[Mr. Brooks]

Well the starting rotation is miserable. 6 games don't prove otherwise.

 

I wonder if the same people shouting that its too early to make any judgments on Hicks or Parmalee (correctly), are the same ones applauding the Twins for their improved starting pitching and bullpen performance?

[fairweather]

Capuano would be better.

[James]

He's pretty expensive too ($7 mil this year, possible $7 million vesting option for 2014 or a $2 mil buyout). If the Rockies were willing to eat most of that salary in return for a mediocre PTBNL, almost any team would be interested, including the Twins. But we don't really need him right now anyway. (Earlier in the offseason would have been a different story.)

 

It is weird that the Rockies traded for him, only to turn around and try to trade him again immediately. I suspect they think they have a decent market for him, whereas the Dodgers had to act fast due to roster considerations. Will be interesting to see where he ends up, and for how much.

The Dodgers are paying $4.75M this year, and the option is a mutual option, not a vesting one. That does make things a little different.

 

I still don't think the Twins should trade for him though. At least, I wouldn't give up very much for him.

[old nurse]

The Rockies got the difference between Harang's and Hernandez's salary. By DFA Harang, if someone picks him up, the Rockies essentially sold Hernadez for 4.75 million. If multiple teams put in a claim then the Rockies come out with a prospect. If only one team is slightly interested then they netted themselves money. It really shouldn't take above a c--prospect to get him. The better the prospect offered, then the more of that 4.75 million should come your way.

[Riverbrian]

I'd be ok with the signing but I'm waiting for Deduno.

 

I think Deduno will be a damn nice Twin in 2013. Harang will possibly slow the arrival of Deduno.

[jay]

You could trade for him. You could then hope he does well enough that some contender will give you an arm and a leg for him near the trade deadline.

 

Or at least an arm. This is the only argument I could make to support trading for Harang. With Diamond almost back, Gibson on the horizon, Walters, Deduno, and a few others looking for a chance... it's hard to support either way.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Look, we like to hate on this, but the Twins have shown some credible prudence in their pitching acquisitions thus far. There's already a backlog of "soon to be available" pitchers, from Diamond to Deduno, to even Gibson. And that's not counting the emergence of someone like Meyer or May. Or the long shots of Harden and Perez. Simply there's no need for Harang.

 

Yep. The team is already chock full of mediocre to bad options. They don't need any more of them.

[Winston Smith]

Pitching, pitching, pitching. Can never have enough as we've found out. If he does well you can get something back for him in July if he stinks it certainly isn't going to break the bank.

[Oldgoat_MN]

Yep. The team is already chock full of mediocre to bad options. They don't need any more of them.

 

That may be. It certainly occurs like a long list of unproven arms.

 

The only way we are going to find if any of these young guys are going to help eventually is to give them innings. Our AAA team may not win a lot of games, but hopefully we can find out if all these young arms can turn into 1 or 2 (or, dare I say, 3?) reliable pitchers in the Twins future.

[Mike Sixel]

No. The only way to find out if the future has possiblities is to play the younger players. Even stashing him at AAA impedes a AA guy from being promoted. Not a fan.

[kab21]

No. The only way to find out if the future has possiblities is to play the younger players. Even stashing him at AAA impedes a AA guy from being promoted. Not a fan.

 

I think you underestimate just how many innings these young pitchers will get a chance to throw this year. but I'm not even sure that harang is better than Correia.

[phalvorson]

He's about to be traded to Seattle...

Mariners Close To Acquiring Aaron Harang: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

 

Per the article, they're waiting on Commish approval since cash is involved (plus a minor leaguer).