"Outside the box" trade targets?

[Andrew610i3]

Man, I hate that cliché. I'm using it in this case because it seems as though we hear about the same trade targets over and over. Who are we not thinking of? Billy Beane likes to shake things up...Manaea? Anybody else?

[FormerMinnasotan]

I’d target Michael Fulmer of the Tigers. Only has had one bad season and is coming off of Tommy John. His pitching arsenal is impressive and he’s young so there’s a chance for improvement, especially with working with Wes Johnson. Fulmer is better than Boyd IMO.

[Doctor Gast]

I’d target Michael Fulmer of the Tigers. Only has had one bad season and is coming off of Tommy John. His pitching arsenal is impressive and he’s young so there’s a chance for improvement, especially with working with Wes Johnson. Fulmer is better than Boyd IMO.

 

 

When will he be ready to pitch? I think Detroit would rather hold unto him waiting for him to heal for him to help down the road when they would compete

[Andrew610i3]

Also, I'm not sure I would want to pay the intra-divisional "premium" for such an unknown.

[FormerMinnasotan]

Another “outside the box” trade targets I’d look at is the Chicago Cubs starting pitcher Kyle Hendricks. He was one of the solid rotation pieces of the Cubs WS team and has been very good through out his whole career. I’m not sure the Cubs will be willing to trade Hendricks, then again if they are willing to even explore trading Kris Bryant I’m sure they’d be open to trade Hendricks if the deal was just right.

[bobs]

  I've seen other ideas throwing around names like Buxton, Kirillof and Graterol in different potential trades.  If we're going to throw those names around why not include guys like Trevor Bauer, Marcus Stroman and Blake Snell?  No idea about "team control" or anything like that.  Prospect cost would be high and I know Bauer and Stroman were just traded FOR.  Can't hurt to go snooping around.

[Linus]

Lewis and Kirilloff or Larnach for Blake Snell. Who says no?

[ChrisKnutson]

It may not be starting pitching, but what about Carlos Santana?? At the very least he’s an upgrade from Cron, although not as much as Donaldson would’ve been...

[jorgenswest]

Lewis and Kirilloff or Larnach for Blake Snell. Who says no?

From baseball trade values the Lewis and Kirilloff pairing is a good match in value. They say it is a fair trade but I am not sure the Rays would sacrifice the season without getting starting pitching back. For Archer they got Glasnow.

[Andrew610i3]

From baseball trade values the Lewis and Kirilloff pairing is a good match in value. They say it is a fair trade but I am not sure the Rays would sacrifice the season without getting starting pitching back. For Archer they got Glasnow.

Plus Meadows. That trade is the exception, not the rule

[jorgenswest]

Plus Meadows. That trade is the exception, not the rule

I think it will take the exception again to get the Rays to trade Snell.

[RaoulDuke]

 

Lewis and Kirilloff or Larnach for Blake Snell. Who says no?

The Rays say no.

 

One of Lewis/ Kirilloff + one of Balzovic/ Graterol/ Enlow is probably the starting point, then add a 15-30 guy of their liking in. 

[Linus]

The Rays say no.

 

One of Lewis/ Kirilloff + one of Balzovic/ Graterol/ Enlow is probably the starting point, then add a 15-30 guy of their liking in.

I would throw Enlow in but not Graterol or Balacovic

[Number3]

Just swap teams (and salaries) with the Yankees and be done with it. Oh, and also uniforms because that is what the past Twins have been losing to, not the players. Needless to say, there will always be trades and other means of player turnover. So far, none of the "Twins Talk" suggestions have been in the mix and none will probably be in the future. So how about waiting until players actually show up at Ft. Myers in February and see what happens from there? Hard to believe but less than 2 months remain. I am more concerned with the initial 7 game west coast road trip than some "make a trade just to make a trade" scheme.

[Tomj14]

 

Lewis and Kirilloff or Larnach for Blake Snell. Who says no?

Would you trade Berrios for Lewis and Kirilloff/Larnach?

 

If your answer is no, then IMO you could assume the Rays answer would be no as well.

 

If I was trading Berrios to the Twins for prospects, it would take 3 of the top 10 guys and another from 11-20. (Lewis/Kiriloff, Larnach, Graterol/Balacovic and somebody else)

 

So that is the what I would expect the price for Snell or any pitcher of his caliber to be. Or something close possibly removing Larnach and adding Thorpe/Dobnack/Smelzter.

 

And here is the deal with they way this off season is going, maybe the Twins should be looking at trading Berrios for a similar haul

 

[lukeduke1980]

How about trying to trade for Kirby Yates?  You might have to take on some or all of Wil Myers' contract.  But then we'd have a first baseman too.  Rogers can't go 2 days in a row so it'd be nice to have another shutdown option.

[Mr. Brooks]

How about trying to trade for Kirby Yates? You might have to take on some or all of Wil Myers' contract. But then we'd have a first baseman too. Rogers can't go 2 days in a row so it'd be nice to have another shutdown option.

Why is SD trading Kirby Yates?

They are buyers not sellers, even if you think they should be.

[lukeduke1980]

 

Why is SD trading Kirby Yates?
They are buyers not sellers, even if you think they should be.

No there's usually not many sellers in the offseason, it might be a more realistic midseason deal if SD falls off. 

But they are paying Hosmer and Machado, and want to rid themselves of Myers' contract.  And then if they think the closer role is overrated because 2 years ago Kirby Yates was nobody and now he'll want a big contract extension.  

 

Completely speculative but that was my train of thought.

[Cody Pirkl]

If you want real outside the box targets, I like Marco Gonzales from Seattle. He's not your ace, but he's put up 3+ wins the last two years and anchors a high floor for the rotation. Likely wouldn't cost too incredibly much to trade for and he's a free agent in 2023 giving us control through his peak years before pitchers with his profile usually go bad. 

 

I also like Spencer Turnbull from Detroit. Worth almost 3 wins for a terrible team his rookie season. His peripherals looked like he has a lot to unlock given his HR/9 being under 1 in the juiceball year and 22.3 K%. I don't think he would cost a ton either, as Detroit is probably trying to dump anyone they can for prospects that could help when they contend in a few years. 

[Mr. Brooks]

No there's usually not many sellers in the offseason, it might be a more realistic midseason deal if SD falls off.

But they are paying Hosmer and Machado, and want to rid themselves of Myers' contract. And then if they think the closer role is overrated because 2 years ago Kirby Yates was nobody and now he'll want a big contract extension.

 

Completely speculative but that was my train of thought.

At the deadline, sure that's possible, I thought you meant now.

 

Although, with the extra wild card, all but the really awful teams can convince themselves they're in contention.

 

If he wants a big extension, they can just QO him, and get back a draft pick that will probably be just as good or better than anything they'll get for a half season rental reliever.

[Thrylos]

Archer/Marte/Kela/Taillon (he is out in 2020) for Buxton/Kirilloff/Dobnak (the last 2 are from the Pittsburgh area)

[nicksaviking]

 

The Rays say no.

 

One of Lewis/ Kirilloff + one of Balzovic/ Graterol/ Enlow is probably the starting point, then add a 15-30 guy of their liking in. 

 

I do Kirilloff + Graterol and throw in a Thorpe/Dobnak so the Rays have someone to plug into their rotation now and I'll toss in a lower level high ceiling wild card (I mentioned Celestino previously) for Snell.

 

If they push for Lewis instead of Kirilloff, I probably still say yes, but the Rays are stacked with infield prospects, Kirilloff or Larnach might be more up their alley anyway.

[puckstopper1]

 

If you want real outside the box targets, I like Marco Gonzales from Seattle. He's not your ace, but he's put up 3+ wins the last two years and anchors a high floor for the rotation. Likely wouldn't cost too incredibly much to trade for and he's a free agent in 2023 giving us control through his peak years before pitchers with his profile usually go bad. 

 

 

I like this idea Cody!

 

He would certainly raise the floor of the rotation, IMO - and could be a solid member of the starting staff for several years.

 

Some on this board, however, would frown on his 7.2 K/9 rate over his career (and only 6.5/9 last season).

[jhoffman]

Getting the Rays to give up Snell is wishful thinking. He's cheap and the Rays are a playoff team.

[RaoulDuke]

 

I do Kirilloff + Graterol and throw in a Thorpe/Dobnak so the Rays have someone to plug into their rotation now and I'll toss in a lower level high ceiling wild card (I mentioned Celestino previously) for Snell.

 

If they push for Lewis instead of Kirilloff, I probably still say yes, but the Rays are stacked with infield prospects, Kirilloff or Larnach might be more up their alley anyway.

 

Kirilloff + Graterol gets the conversation started and hurts but I would do it. 

 

Thorpe/ Enlow probably seals the deal and certainly adds to the hurt paying for pitching with pitching.

 

Adding Rosario as mlb return is maybe appealing?  Rooker as a close to ready bat? Gordon? I would love to give up a bat prospect instead of Thorpe or Enlow.

[RaoulDuke]

What is Arraez worth right now?  I doubt it will ever be higher. 

 

What pitcher is worth straight up?

 

As awesome as he is, his skillset is pretty redundant with Polanco.  He is probably the highest value they can send out without creating a hole or giving up the cream of the farm.

[jorgenswest]

What is Arraez worth right now? I doubt it will ever be higher.

 

What pitcher is worth straight up?

 

As awesome as he is, his skillset is pretty redundant with Polanco. He is probably the highest value they can send out without creating a hole or giving up the cream of the farm.

Looking at Baseball trade values, players we have seen mentioned as possibly available near Arraez include Alcantara on the high side and Ray on the low side but both close.

 

It would be 5 years of Alcantara or 1 year of Ray.

 

This would be assuming the Marlins or DBacks have a need for a 2B and believe he can stick at that position.

 

I would absolutely pursue Ray and plan to give him an extension offer he can’t refuse. Forget Donaldson and offer him 4/80 which would be a significant upgrade on this year and a deal I would be more confident long term than the deals for Ryu or Keuchel or Bumgarner.

 

Would Ray take it? He is projected to earn 10.8 million in arbitration. In order to match he needs to get through this season healthy and productive and get a contract a 3/70. It could happen but one injury and he is in Pineda’s situation a few years back. He isn’t likely to do significantly better though he may get an extra year. The Twins can add an option if it is necessary.

 

Would Arraez be enough? Maybe not but the Twins have the position player capital to offer enough and win a deal.

 

Yes. It is hard to trade for a pitcher but the Twins have both the resources to trade for Ray and sign him long term. The DBacks probably don’t have space in their budget for him next year. The Twins have space in their budget right now to offer a contract extension in line with what comparable pitchers have received.

 

This deal can be done. Overpay in prospects to get him.

[Thrylos]

 

What is Arraez worth right now?  I doubt it will ever be higher. 

 

What pitcher is worth straight up?

 

As awesome as he is, his skillset is pretty redundant with Polanco.  He is probably the highest value they can send out without creating a hole or giving up the cream of the farm.

Who is the Twins starting second baseman for the next 5+ seasons then?   That's a hole.

[whosafraidofluigirussolo]

 

What is Arraez worth right now?  I doubt it will ever be higher. 

 

What pitcher is worth straight up?

 

As awesome as he is, his skillset is pretty redundant with Polanco.  He is probably the highest value they can send out without creating a hole or giving up the cream of the farm.

Early in the offseason there was a random rumor about the Cubs inquiring after Arráez as a trade target. I saw that once (from a Cubs site maybe?) and never again, so it probably went nowhere, but purely as speculation I wonder whether Arráez for Quintana might have been a match.

[Oxtung]

 

Who is the Twins starting second baseman for the next 5+ seasons then?   That's a hole.

Did the Twins sign an all-star 2B and I didn't notice ...?

 

Yes, Arraez had a great year in 2019, but there are some serious question marks too. Unsustainable BABIP, no power and poor defense does not lead to confidence he'll be starting in 5 years. 

Personally, I would have traded him if there were any serious offers this offseason. I think 2019 was his high point.