Trade Ryan Pressly?

[Battle ur tail off]

 

Alan Busenitz throws 95 mph and I think his curve is pretty nice too. And you know what? Busenitz actually has a better career ERA and WHIP in the majors than Pressly does.

27 years old, just getting his shot, but not even full time this season. He's a AAAA player at best. He would have had his shot by now if he was going to be a shutdown reliever. 

[Riverbrian]

 

I like this plan. And do you have a picture of your wife?

 

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[Richie the Rally Goat]

And here it is

Gem of the thread

[Otto von Ballpark]

How can those guys prove themselves if they're never given the opportunity? Pressly himself wasn't all that impressive just last season. Hell, take a look at the transformation Gibson has made the past 12 months. Pitchers can improve.

 

Pitching well in Triple A may not equate to pitching well in the majors, but pitching poorly in the majors over small samples also doesn't disqualify a guy from ever becoming a good MLB pitcher.

Tell that to the front office. Their actions so far this season suggest they don't have much faith in the AAA relief options they have assembled.

[TheLeviathan]

I think we should start blanket posting "Remember how we got Eduardo Escobar?" to every post who is gunshy about trading.  

 

At some point, when you are about to no long have a player, it's worth rolling the dice that you can turn them into a dude you might have for awhile longer.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I think we should start blanket posting "Remember how we got Eduardo Escobar?" to every post who is gunshy about trading.

 

At some point, when you are about to no long have a player, it's worth rolling the dice that you can turn them into a dude you might have for awhile longer.

I totally agree, but the 2012 season was toast by the deadline, if not earlier.

 

2018 is obviously no slam dunk, but it is much more of a gray area.

[Thrylos]

 

2018 is obviously no slam dunk, but it is much more of a gray area.

 

Seriously?

 

7 games under .500

 

#realitycheck

[Danchat]

 

Seriously?

 

7 games under .500

 

#realitycheck

Um, I hate to be that guy, but it's actually 5 games under .500 at the time of your post.

[TheLeviathan]

 

I totally agree, but the 2012 season was toast by the deadline, if not earlier.

2018 is obviously no slam dunk, but it is much more of a gray area.

 

We are under .500 and 7.5 games back.  We were 12 back at the time of the deal.  While 4.5 games is significant, it's still well within "time to sell".

[jimbo92107]

Only if the deal fetches a really good catching prospect. Otherwise, that live arm should stay here.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I'm reluctant to trade Gibson because starting pitching is so hard to replace... but if a team is willing to pay for Pressly's peripherals, you make that trade. The dude has drool-worthy peripherals and is cost-controlled at pennies on the dollar of his value.

 

But the return has to be good. Really, really good.

 

But Gibson should also be floated because there seems to be a lack of top flight starters on the market this deadline. Though I don't know how much Gibson's extra year of control plays in a deadline deal. Hard to say.

[Otto von Ballpark]

We are under .500 and 7.5 games back. We were 12 back at the time of the deal. While 4.5 games is significant, it's still well within "time to sell".

The "4th place" thing is almost as important as the extra 4-5 games. In July 2012, it wouldn't have done us much good to see a team ahead of us struggle, or to beat them head-to-head, because there were two other teams that stood to be direct beneficiaries of those events too.

[SF Twins Fan]

 

[TheLeviathan]

 

The "4th place" thing is almost as important as the extra 4-5 games. In July 2012, it wouldn't have done us much good to see a team ahead of us struggle, or to beat them head-to-head, because there were two other teams that stood to be direct beneficiaries of those events too.

 

Fine, but we're not in gray area.  We're only in a gray area if you insist on 12.5% against much more realistic projections.  The gray area you're fighting for is more like difference between 1% and 7%, which is a silly hill to die on IMO.

[Vanimal46]

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1023038601775534080

Better be good....

[USAFChief]

Boo.

[Mill1634]

[S.]

 

Someone tell me how to feel about this.

 

edit: About these prospects specifically, that is, not about trading Pressly in general.

[TheLeviathan]

That's a solid return.

 

10 and 12 on the Astros list for MLB earlier this year.

[Vanimal46]

Who?

[TheLeviathan]

Alcala can touch 102 according to scouting reports.

[Mill1634]

Alcala looks interesting: 22 Y/O, throws 99 with regularity, and has been seen touching 102. Should play in the MLB. Says his secondary pitches need some work. Sounds like a he has the ceiling of a 2 or 3, or a lockdown reliever if starting doesn't work out for him. 

 

Celestino is a 19 Y/O OF who seems a little farther from the MLB: Says he compares to Cubs outfielder Almora, which would be a nice player if he develops into that. More of a line drive hitter, but could maybe add some power down the road. Bats right handed, throws left. Solid base runner, plus arm. Probably a 4th outfielder if he makes the league. 

 

If Alcala ever develops into anything, I like it. However, I think I would have rather gambled on 2019 with Pressly. 

[TheLeviathan]

Again, swinging for upside.  I like it.

[S.]

 

 

HOUSTON ASTROS: Jorge Alcala, RHP: Age 22, signed out of Dominican Republic in 2014, posted 3.05 ERA in 109 innings between Low-A and High-A with 95/45 K/BB, 71 hits allowed; mid/upper-90s fastball with reliable reports of 100-102 MPH peaks; good slider, change-up and curve coming along but inconsistent, needs to lower walks; watch for any spike in strikeout rate which would herald more consistency with off-speed pitches; ceiling is obviously very high.

From March 30th, by Sickels. Not the most recent article, but good basic overview it seems like

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2018/3/30/17181478/american-league-west-sleeper-prospects

[Danchat]

Alcala definitely intrigues me... he's got 40 innings under his belt at AA and he's got electric stuff. He could be a factor for the 2019 squad, potentially as a starter or reliever. Celestino is less exciting because he's further down and only 19, so he looks a bit like the other 3 prospects we acquired today. Looks like a solid trade but the Twins are going to need to add some better arms to the bullpen in 2019. 

 

Hopefully a young reliever like Moya or Curtiss can be given a full shot to stick now. Maybe Jake Reed, even Tyler Duffey? Anything other than Belisle, please.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

That's a solid return.

 

10 and 12 on the Astros list for MLB earlier this year.

Yeah, I like this return. I was lukewarm on Escobar but I like this one. Celestino looks intriguing and he's my favorite type of player: swings right and throws left, just like my dumb ass.

[howeda7]

This is easier to take than Escobar. Pressly feels like he can't get over the hill from intriguing to dependable lights out 8th/9th inning guy. They absolutely have to trade Dozier, Duke and Rodney now or this doesn't make any sense though. 

[USAFChief]

How to know you’re ******* up: trading a pitcher to Houston.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

How to know you’re ******* up: trading a pitcher to Houston.

Eh... Dunno if I buy that because Houston paid for who Pressly can be under the right circumstances, not who he looks like on the Minnesota Twins.

 

The front office got a pretty solid return on Ryan.

 

And after the Escobar deal, I like how this is shaking out: the front office has middling confidence in the short-term of this team but isn't selling monster assets in a complete rebuild... but they're quietly building a hell of a minor league system to catch the wave surrounding Lewis, Gordon, Rooker, Wade, Thorpe, et al.

[alarp33]

How to know you’re ******* up: trading a pitcher to Houston.

Yeah their history of trading for relievers recently has been unmatched. The Phillies are still reeling from that Ken Giles trade right