Trade Ryan Pressly?

[Tom Froemming]

Just a thought. I think Ryan Pressly has a ton of trade value right now and unlike some of the other guys of value being discussed (Gibson, Escobar, Dozier) I think the Twins could replace him. Dealing Pressly could improve your future outlook without completely raising the white flag on the present season.

 

Addison Reed is starting a rehab assignment soon, there are several right-handed relievers on the 40-man roster who are pitching well in Triple A (Duffey, Busenitz, May, Curtiss) and you could always plug Fernando Romero into the bullpen and see if he could provide a spark if it came to that.

 

Yes, Pressly's under control for next year too, but so are all of those replacement options I named. Also, relievers are so volatile that I generally feel pretty good about dealing from the bullpen. Pressly himself had a 4.70 ERA just last season.

 

To be clear, this isn't meant to be a jab at Pressly. He's been great, the fact that his trade value is so high speaks to his performance. Exactly how high do I think his value is? I wouldn't be surprised if the Twins could get as much for him as they could for Dozier. I was pretty impressed with what the White Sox were able to add in their deal that sent Joakim Soria to Milwaukee.

 

What do you think?

[Thrylos]

 

Just a thought. I think Ryan Pressly has a ton of trade value right now and unlike some of the other guys of value being discussed (Gibson, Escobar, Dozier) I think the Twins could replace him. Dealing Pressly could improve your future outlook without completely raising the white flag on the present season.

 

7 games under .500

7 games behind the division

12.5 games behind the wild card

no chance to go past 2 of the Yankees, Red Sox, Astros in the post-season.

 

The flag has been raised and the Twins should get something for Dozier and Escobar, which will be better than nothing and they should sell high on both Gibson and Pressly. 

[Rosterman]

Is he the closer of the future (I would like to see Trevor May put in this position).

 

Is he valuable to another team? He has already pitched in 51 games this season and does show signs of overwork. Does that hurt his value?

 

Are the Twins still thinking possibility of contention for the division? I mean, the REAL ultimate outlook of the Twins in the front office is to do whatever is necessary to SELL tickets for THIS SEASON. A white flag means people have to just come to the ballpark, which diminishes as the summer winds down with the State Fair, back to school, last run to lake cabins and other activities in town. Paying Twins prices to watch a team in rebuild take a back seat. Of course, the limited number of season ticket holders will sell off their seats for pennies on the dollars, which IS good for the cheap fan. But still, less concessions. Lots of empty seats. No jerseys being sold. 

 

Plus, lots of OLD player jerseys for sale at the State Fair yard sale.

 

But, in some ways, the Twins CAN jettison many potential free agents and also some fringe guys and replace them with FUTURE prospects right now, who would be expected to play at least better than teir counterparts, which shouldn't be hard as the only players the Twins team have performing above expectations that could be moved elsewhere are Gibson, Escobar and Pressley.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I think Ryan Pressly has a ton of trade value right now

Does he? Per Fangraphs, he only has 8 "shutdowns" vs 11 "meltdowns" this year. His average game-entering leverage index is only 1.13 too, which is only 6th on the staff (counting Reed and Busenitz).

 

I mean, I could see why you'd ask for more for Pressly than some others. But that doesn't mean teams are going to pay it.

 

FWIW, both Soria and Oh are controllable for 2019 too (team options), so their values might not be that far from Pressly's.

[Tom Froemming]

 

7 games under .500

7 games behind the division

12.5 games behind the wild card

no chance to go past 2 of the Yankees, Red Sox, Astros in the post-season.

 

The flag has been raised and the Twins should get something for Dozier and Escobar, which will be better than nothing and they should sell high on both Gibson and Pressly. 

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they packed it in, I just see very little chance of that actually happening. So instead, I'm trying to envision some sort of middle-ground moves they could potentially make that give them a boost down the road without crippling the 2018 team.

 

Pressly was the best one I could come up with. I'm sure some other people will mention Lynn, Morrison, Duke or Odorizzi, but those guys just don't have much (if any) trade value.

[Tom Froemming]

 

FWIW, both Soria and Oh are controllable for 2019 too (team options), so their values might not be that far from Pressly's.

If the return for Pressly is similar to both those trades, I'd definitely pull the trigger.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Exactly how high do I think his value is? I wouldn't be surprised if the Twins could get as much for him as they could for Dozier.

That might be more of a statement about Dozier and the 2B market than about Pressly...

[Thrylos]

 

 

Pressly was the best one I could come up with. I'm sure some other people will mention Lynn, Morrison, Duke or Odorizzi, but those guys just don't have much (if any) trade value.

 

Based on the Eovaldi trade who returned the Rays the Red Sox' number 12 prospect, Lynn and Odorizzi who have similar numbers and fewer health/durability issues, should have at least as much value.

 

Santana, Rodney, Duke, all have some value as well.

 

Agreed on Pressly.  They should sell high.  But a. not only him and .b should prioritize getting something from the free agents (Santana, Dozier, Escobar, Lynn, Rodney, Duke, Morrison, etc.) instead of letting them walk away for nothing.

[Thrylos]

And here it is

 

 

[jorgenswest]

A good read...

 

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/41401/rubbing-mud-cant-help-falling-in-love-with-ryan-pressly/

 

Should the Twins trade Pressly? Yes. If the trade makes them better in 2019. Any trade of players they control next year needs to make them better next year.

[Mike Sixel]

 

A good read...

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/41401/rubbing-mud-cant-help-falling-in-love-with-ryan-pressly/

Should the Twins trade Pressly? Yes. If the trade makes them better in 2019. Any trade of players they control next year needs to make them better next year.

 

wow. thanks.

[Loosey]

I think the Twins can trade Pressly and Dozier and still have about the same % chance of catching Cleveland in my opinion.  I think Escobar should be kept and resigned this off-season.  He can play 2B and is more consistent than Dozier, but will receive less in a trade than Dozier.  

 

Sano could come back, play 3rd/1st/DH and hopefully provide the same level of offense Dozier has had all year.  Escobar then slides over to 2nd/3rd on occasion and there is nothing lost on offense.

 

Pressly, although good, is more valuable as a trade asset now than a relief pitcher this year.

[Tom Froemming]

Just remembered another guy to add into that right-handed reliever mix: Michael Pineda. 

[Vanimal46]

I can go either way on this. He's going to be really cheap for his last year of arbitration because he won't have the save totals to warrant a huge raise.

 

He's at his highest value right now. Definitely worth looking into.

[drivlikejehu]

Eh, I don't see any chance they get an actual prospect for him . . . too many relief options out there for contenders. I'd just keep him.

[Vanimal46]

Eh, I don't see any chance they get an actual prospect for him . . . too many relief options out there for contenders. I'd just keep him.

Not sure what your requirement for 'actual prospect' is. Because I can tell you this, someone will trade something for him. And that person will be an actual human being.

[drivlikejehu]

 

Not sure what your requirement for 'actual prospect' is. Because I can tell you this, someone will trade something for him. And that person will be an actual human being.

 

If it's the type of human being they could just pick up off waivers, sign from an independent league, or something like that, then I certainly wouldn't bother trading Pressly for him.

 

'C' prospects have almost no value. There's basically an unlimited supply, other than the fact that minor league rosters have limited space.

[Mike Sixel]

 

If it's the type of human being they could just pick up off waivers, sign from an independent league, or something like that, then I certainly wouldn't bother trading Pressly for him.

 

'C' prospects have almost no value. There's basically an unlimited supply, other than the fact that minor league rosters have limited space.

 

He would return more than that, imo. If not, agreed, keep him....but I think people maybe are underestimating the return.

 

That said, I probably keep him, unless he is part of a package deal.

[USAFChief]

Pressly has the best stuff of anyone in the Twins' pen, easily. He's under control for 2019, fairly cheap.

 

No. Heck no. 

[Linus]

I disagree with the notion that we have several people to replace him. Our bullpen isn’t good and neither are the collection at AAA. If you are trading from a true surplus then you are changing holes in the lineup

[gocgo]

I think that pitching well in AAA doesn't equate to pitching well in the majors.  The pitchers that you mentioned have not proven they can pitch at an MLB level.  That's why they are in AAA.  It's not like this bullpen is holding anyone back.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I think that pitching well in AAA doesn't equate to pitching well in the majors.  The pitchers that you mentioned have not proven they can pitch at an MLB level.  That's why they are in AAA.  It's not like this bullpen is holding anyone back.

 

The bigger issue, in my opinion, is that there are people in the pen who should not be blocking some of the guys in AAA… and yet they are.

 

I don't know if Moya, Duffey, Busenitz, etc. are the answer, but we should be playing them at the ML level to find out.

[Tom Froemming]

 

I disagree with the notion that we have several people to replace him. Our bullpen isn’t good and neither are the collection at AAA. If you are trading from a true surplus then you are changing holes in the lineup

 

I think that pitching well in AAA doesn't equate to pitching well in the majors.  The pitchers that you mentioned have not proven they can pitch at an MLB level.  That's why they are in AAA.  It's not like this bullpen is holding anyone back.

 

How can those guys prove themselves if they're never given the opportunity? Pressly himself wasn't all that impressive just last season. Hell, take a look at the transformation Gibson has made the past 12 months. Pitchers can improve.

 

Pitching well in Triple A may not equate to pitching well in the majors, but pitching poorly in the majors over small samples also doesn't disqualify a guy from ever becoming a good MLB pitcher. 

[Battle ur tail off]

 

How can those guys prove themselves if they're never given the opportunity? Pressly himself wasn't all that impressive just last season. Hell, take a look at the transformation Gibson has made the past 12 months. Pitchers can improve.

 

Pitching well in Triple A may not equate to pitching well in the majors, but pitching poorly in the majors over small samples also doesn't disqualify a guy from ever becoming a good MLB pitcher. 

Watch them pitch and you will know the answer. Do they have a 95mph moving fastball? A hammer breaking ball? Great changeup? The answer to all of them is NO and that is the reason they aren't here. Busenitz maybe, he throws hard. Gibson has always had a fastball with alot of run and a good breaking ball. This year he is finally keeping the ball down and commanding it left and right. 

[Riverbrian]

I would trade my wife is someone wants to over pay for her but... what are the odds that someone is going to over pay for her... or... Ryan Pressly?

 

If we do not intend to contend in 2019... go ahead and trade Gibson, Rosario, Pressly or anything not nailed down and let's go Padres or White Sox on this thing and tear it down to the rafters for the rebuild. 

 

However... If we intend to contend in 2019... We already have a bunch of free agents departures needing to be filled so I'd be really hesitant to create more of them. 

 

So... Let's make deals for the guys who are not under control for 2019. Call it day and start working on who will be here in 2019 and make the team as competitive as possible. 

 

Once again... if some one wants to over pay or send back a clear 2019 major league player in return... OK... but I don't think that is going to happen. 

 

I'm going with absolutely not with an impossible condition that won't be met. 

 

 

 

[Tom Froemming]

 

Watch them pitch and you will know the answer. Do they have a 95mph moving fastball? A hammer breaking ball? Great changeup? The answer to all of them is NO and that is the reason they aren't here. Gibson has always had a fastball with alot of run and a good breaking ball. This year he is finally keeping the ball down and command it left and right. 

Alan Busenitz throws 95 mph and I think his curve is pretty nice too. And you know what? Busenitz actually has a better career ERA and WHIP in the majors than Pressly does.

[Dman]

 

I would trade my wife is someone wants to over pay for her but... what are the odds that someone is going to over pay for her... or... Ryan Pressly?

 

If we do not intend to contend in 2019... go ahead and trade Gibson, Rosario, Pressly or anything not nailed down and let's go Padres or White Sox on this thing and tear it down to the rafters for the rebuild. 

 

However... If we intend to contend in 2019... We already have a bunch of free agents departures needing to be filled so I'd be really hesitant to create more of them. 

 

So... Let's make deals for the guys who are not under control for 2019. Call it day and start working on who will be here in 2019 and make the team as competitive as possible. 

 

Once again... if some one wants to over pay or send back a clear 2019 major league player in return... OK... but I don't think that is going to happen. 

 

I'm going with absolutely not with an impossible condition that won't be met. 

 

I agree I think this team can be competitive next year.  We just need some of the young guys to step up and fill some holes via free agency.  If the offer is just to good to pass up, then sure take it.  Trading Pressly or Gibson won't stop us from competing next year.  But lets not make it any harder to compete next year than we have to either.  That's my sneaky way of saying I am fine either way.

[Riverbrian]

 

I agree I think this team can be competitive next year.  We just need some of the young guys to step up and fill some holes via free agency.  If the offer is just to good to pass up, then sure take it.  Trading Pressly or Gibson won't stop us from competing next year.  But lets not make it any harder to compete next year than we have to either.  That's my sneaky way of saying I am fine either way.

 

Teams that intend to contend are looking for players like Pressly. If we are going to trade Pressly, it's going to be teams that intend to contend that willing to make the deal. Teams not in contention will deal players like Pressly. 

 

So what are we? 

 

I intend to contend. Not sure if the front office feels that way. I say Keep Pressly and go get me another one just like him. 

[Dman]

 

Teams that intend to contend are looking for players like Pressly. If we are going to trade Pressly, it's going to be teams that intend to contend that willing to make the deal. Teams not in contention will deal players like Pressly. 

 

So what are we? 

 

I intend to contend. Not sure if the front office feels that way. I say Keep Pressly and go get me another one just like him. 

 

It just seems like you can find relievers in FA and hopefully one or two of the guys we have work out. So if someone is willing to give up a B or B- prospect and another youngish lottery ticket I think you take that deal. But hanging onto him isn't a bad idea either.

[Linus]

I would trade my wife is someone wants to over pay for her but... what are the odds that someone is going to over pay for her... or... Ryan Pressly?

 

If we do not intend to contend in 2019... go ahead and trade Gibson, Rosario, Pressly or anything not nailed down and let's go Padres or White Sox on this thing and tear it down to the rafters for the rebuild.

 

However... If we intend to contend in 2019... We already have a bunch of free agents departures needing to be filled so I'd be really hesitant to create more of them.

 

So... Let's make deals for the guys who are not under control for 2019. Call it day and start working on who will be here in 2019 and make the team as competitive as possible.

 

Once again... if some one wants to over pay or send back a clear 2019 major league player in return... OK... but I don't think that is going to happen.

 

I'm going with absolutely not with an impossible condition that won't be met.

I like this plan. And do you have a picture of your wife?