Article: Twins Acquire Jake Odorizzi From Rays For Jermaine Palacios

[Mr. Brooks]

It’s just differing pitcher definitions, I think. I tend to believe a #3 should be solidly above league average whereas a #4 is somewhere around average.

Correct. Because the goal (I'd hope) is not to be just a league average team.

[gunnarthor]

 

Correct. Because the goal (I'd hope) is not to be just a league average team.

They can have a league average or worse starting rotation and still be an above average team.

[Mr. Brooks]

They can have a league average or worse starting rotation and still be an above average team.

Sure. But my point is, the goal shouldn't just be to be an above average team either.

 

If my 3rd starter is league average, then sure by definition and averages, he's a "#3 starter", but my goal would be upgrade as many spots as I can. I'd want a solidly above average starter in that spot, with maybe a league average guy #4, and an almost league average guy #5.

 

Probably not possible to have a step up at every position, but that wouldn't stop me from trying.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I know his peripherals will be different, but I get kind of a Tommy Milone type vibe in terms of overall results from Mejia. Like, capable of league average performances, but maybe not a ton of innings, and not a guy I'd trust in my playoff rotation. Still useful in the #5 spot while cheap, though.

[gbg]

On the two-year anniversary of this trade, it was fun (in a train-wreck sort of way) to read through all the angst about Odorizzi.

 

For those wondering, Palacios is still really struggling in the minors, with a .210/.275/.266 slash line between A+ and AA last year.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

On the two-year anniversary of this trade, it was fun (in a train-wreck sort of way) to read through all the angst about Odorizzi.

 

For those wondering, Palacios is still really struggling in the minors, with a .210/.275/.266 slash line between A+ and AA last year.

It's always fun to go back and read this stuff. My in-the-moment take from two years ago:

 

"I wanted something better than Odorizzi but straight up for Palacios?

 

lol yes every day"

[Thegrin]

The "hand-wringers" will always be there.  This sounds a lot like the Maeda comments.  Lets hope that Maeda produces as well as Oderizzi has for the Twins. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

This is truly a delightful thread to read through two years later.

 

I was middling positive on Mejia. That, uh, didn't really work out.

 

But holy gods, the hot takes...

[redstorm]

 

The "hand-wringers" will always be there.  This sounds a lot like the Maeda comments.  Lets hope that Maeda produces as well as Oderizzi has for the Twins. 

 

I agree the comments had the same tone, but the Twins also gave up a top 100 prospect for Maeda, while they gave up a borderline top-20 Twins prospect (from a position of strength) for Odorizzi. So in that sense let's hope Maeda produces even better than Odorizzi.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I agree the comments had the same tone, but the Twins also gave up a top 100 prospect for Maeda, while they gave up a borderline top-20 Twins prospect (from a position of strength) for Odorizzi. So in that sense let's hope Maeda produces even better than Odorizzi.

It's not about an Odorizzi and Maeda performance comparison straight-up; money and contract length also play a role (money being the primary reason the Rays dealt Odorizzi in the first place).

[TFRazor]

Happily for all, this turned into a pretty successful trade for us

[David HK]

 

On the two-year anniversary of this trade, it was fun (in a train-wreck sort of way) to read through all the angst about Odorizzi.

 

For those wondering, Palacios is still really struggling in the minors, with a .210/.275/.266 slash line between A+ and AA last year.

I saw this headline, and thought the same thing- I remember that I had liked Palacios in those days, but wow, he's really fallen off a cliff. Not even among the TB top 50. 

Right now that trade looks like robbery... I'm glad this was posted- maybe I can stop throwing up in my mouth a little whenever I think about Matt Capps.

[Dantes929]

Love seeing posts like this.    Lets everyone know where they stood at the time rather than where they remember they stood.    Don;t think I was on here in 2009 but would love to see where everyone stood on Mauer extension rather than where everyone said they stood.    I remember on the Trib pages it was over 99% for extending Mauer no matter the cost.   A few years later about 99% maintain that they were against the deal all along.   In this case, my memory was correct in that I liked the Odorizzi signing while also reminding me I would have preferred Cobb.   Is it too late to go back and edit?   Also the first time I marked like on a comment two years after it was posted.   Also makes me wonder what happened to jimmers.

[twinsfanstreif]

 

Love seeing posts like this.    Lets everyone know where they stood at the time rather than where they remember they stood.    Don;t think I was on here in 2009 but would love to see where everyone stood on Mauer extension rather than where everyone said they stood.    I remember on the Trib pages it was over 99% for extending Mauer no matter the cost.   A few years later about 99% maintain that they were against the deal all along.   In this case, my memory was correct in that I liked the Odorizzi signing while also reminding me I would have preferred Cobb.   Is it too late to go back and edit?   Also the first time I marked like on a comment two years after it was posted.   Also makes me wonder what happened to jimmers.

Well since this board didn't exist until late 2011 it'd be a bit difficult to go back and look at that. I was part of the ESPN board at the time and I remember it being mixed. From what I remember most people considered it necessary to do but there were concerns that his value would plummet as soon as he was no longer catching, mostly from a power perspective. I was always a fan of the extension partly because I always loved Joe, even when he was underperforming I was glad he was representing our team because he is a local and a great guy

[Dave The Dastardly]

A warp in the space-time continuum?

[Tomj14]

Some people were dead on for the results of this trade, others were way off.

It was good reading

[Dantes929]

 

Well since this board didn't exist until late 2011 it'd be a bit difficult to go back and look at that. I was part of the ESPN board at the time and I remember it being mixed. From what I remember most people considered it necessary to do but there were concerns that his value would plummet as soon as he was no longer catching, mostly from a power perspective. I was always a fan of the extension partly because I always loved Joe, even when he was underperforming I was glad he was representing our team because he is a local and a great guy

On the trib boards I was the lonely voice in the wilderness saying it didn't make baseball sense signing him to an extension at or near market value after his MVP season.   It did make a ton of marketing expense with the new stadium and I wasn't against it because I was a fan of Joe's also and regardless of the contract he was still really good at baseball.    I also never complained about the deal afterwards.   The main problem I have with big free agency contracts is that you are paying them for good years they had with someone else.   At least with our own players the good years were with us.  Thanks for the history lesson on TD.     I thought I just discovered it after everyone else.

[AlwaysinModeration]

We could dredge up the volumes of pages on the Santana trade debacle, though. I’m quite certain that Johan, Terry Ryan, among others wish for a mulligan on that one. I think he’d still be pitching, putting the final touches on his Hall of Fame resume, if he had stayed in Minnesota.