Rumor: Yankees and Twins had conversations about Santana

[Mike Sixel]

for those not trading Buxton for a SP....

 

the Twins have the 4th highest ERA in the game

the Twins have the 3rd highest FIP, and 2nd highest xFIP

the Twins have given up the 3rd most runs (earned or unearned)

 

Santana is in his mid-30s. Berrios is probably good. Mejia is probably a 4. Gibson, Santiago, Colon, Garcia are not signed for next year. AAA has no starters the FO has trusted to call up. They have not promoted one starter from AA to AAA or the majors (for more than a spot start).

 

OTOH, the Twins do have some OF options.

[Vanimal46]

 

for those not trading Buxton for a SP....

 

the Twins have the 4th highest ERA in the game

the Twins have the 3rd highest FIP, and 2nd highest xFIP

the Twins have given up the 3rd most runs (earned or unearned)

 

Santana is in his mid-30s. Berrios is probably good. Mejia is probably a 4. Gibson, Santiago, Colon, Garcia are not signed for next year. AAA has no starters the FO has trusted to call up. They have not promoted one starter from AA to AAA or the majors (for more than a spot start).

 

OTOH, the Twins do have some OF options.

 

My thoughts align more with markos in a couple of posts above.... I think Kepler could be dangled to get top of the rotation pitching. Buxton's elite defense is a tough pill to swallow giving up. A corner OF is a little bit easier. 

[gunnarthor]

 

for those not trading Buxton for a SP....

 

the Twins have the 4th highest ERA in the game

the Twins have the 3rd highest FIP, and 2nd highest xFIP

the Twins have given up the 3rd most runs (earned or unearned)

 

Santana is in his mid-30s. Berrios is probably good. Mejia is probably a 4. Gibson, Santiago, Colon, Garcia are not signed for next year. AAA has no starters the FO has trusted to call up. They have not promoted one starter from AA to AAA or the majors (for more than a spot start).

 

OTOH, the Twins do have some OF options.

Technically, Gibson is under control for another year.

 

I agree that the Twins could, maybe even should, trade from their OF supply for a pitcher. But not Buxton. 

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

for those not trading Buxton for a SP....

 

the Twins have the 4th highest ERA in the game

the Twins have the 3rd highest FIP, and 2nd highest xFIP

the Twins have given up the 3rd most runs (earned or unearned)

 

Santana is in his mid-30s. Berrios is probably good. Mejia is probably a 4. Gibson, Santiago, Colon, Garcia are not signed for next year. AAA has no starters the FO has trusted to call up. They have not promoted one starter from AA to AAA or the majors (for more than a spot start).

 

OTOH, the Twins do have some OF options.

 

At the same time, you think the twins pitching numbers are bad now; imagine how bad they would be if you get a massive downgrade in defense from the center field position, going from Buxton to whoever you put in center instead.

 

 

[Tomj14]

 

for those not trading Buxton for a SP....

 

the Twins have the 4th highest ERA in the game

the Twins have the 3rd highest FIP, and 2nd highest xFIP

the Twins have given up the 3rd most runs (earned or unearned)

 

Santana is in his mid-30s. Berrios is probably good. Mejia is probably a 4. Gibson, Santiago, Colon, Garcia are not signed for next year. AAA has no starters the FO has trusted to call up. They have not promoted one starter from AA to AAA or the majors (for more than a spot start).

 

OTOH, the Twins do have some OF options.

If you are thinking of trading Buxton, why sell short on Gray, why not call the mets on one of their pitchers?

[laloesch]

 

Would you trade Buxton for Gray? The Twins have Rosario, Kepler, Grossman, Granite, Wade, and corner OF is "easy" to get in FA/trade later.....

 

Buxton hasn't proven a thing yet offensively.  He has 600+ at-bats now and still virtually no progress from 2016.  If he doesn't improve he will never be more than a 4th outfielder.  By now you would THINK there'd be some progress but not yet.  I'd be tempted to sell.  So Buxton for Gray, yep i'd probably do it especially if he agreed to an extension.  Gray is a #3 starter in my mind and he's still young at 27.  The kind of starter the Twins should be targeting.

[Mike Sixel]

 

If you are thinking of trading Buxton, why sell short on Gray, why not call the mets on one of their pitchers?

 

I'd do deGrom in a minute. If I thought Kepler or Rosario could play CF (or Granite). 

 

I agree, it would be an easier pill to swallow to trade Kepler, which, of course, means he's less valuable and it would cost more......

[Tomj14]

 

I would call Gonsalves and Romero near ready as well.  No prospect is ever ready, ready until they have been successful at the MLB level.  So unless the Twins trade MLB starter for MLB starter then there will be risk involved.  Your near ready prospect could end up being a AAAA player.

 

All I was trying to say is they should be looking at guys closer to ready for MLB as opposed to someone in rookie ball.

One isn't considered a top of the rotation guy and the other is a 5 inning pitcher in AA. I wouldn't say they are all that close, but that is just me.

[Vanimal46]

 

If you are thinking of trading Buxton, why sell short on Gray, why not call the mets on one of their pitchers?

 

Definitely wouldn't be opposed to dangling Kepler for someone like DeGrom. 

[SwainZag]

 

for those not trading Buxton for a SP....

 

the Twins have the 4th highest ERA in the game

the Twins have the 3rd highest FIP, and 2nd highest xFIP

the Twins have given up the 3rd most runs (earned or unearned)

 

Santana is in his mid-30s. Berrios is probably good. Mejia is probably a 4. Gibson, Santiago, Colon, Garcia are not signed for next year. AAA has no starters the FO has trusted to call up. They have not promoted one starter from AA to AAA or the majors (for more than a spot start).

 

OTOH, the Twins do have some OF options.

 

Trading Buxton would certainly help the pitching staff RIGHT NOW, that's no question but that's not all that's at stake.  Buxton is also only 23, on his way to a gold glove and has pretty damn high potential. Players that play CF like him with his tremendous speed are very few and far in between.  Maybe I am just blinded by potential, but trading him now to me would seemingly be a huge mistake.  There are other ways to acquire pitching.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Definitely wouldn't be opposed to dangling Kepler for someone like DeGrom. 

 

they won't even play Conforto full time, and they are going to trade for Kepler?

 

edit: I've been corrected, despite what their manager said after the ASB, he is playing full time.

[SwainZag]

 

I would.  Buxton hasn't proven a thing yet offensively.  He has 600+ at-bats now and still virtually no progress from 2016.  If he doesn't improve he will never be more than a 4th outfielder.  By now you would THINK there'd be some progress but not yet.  I'm tempted to sell.  So Buxton for Gray, yep i'd do it.

 

So 600+ AB is the threshold?  Carlos Gomez had over 1000 AB and was a year older when the Twins essentially gave up on him and look what kind of player he eventually turned into.  Buxton is 23 years old!

[drjim]

they won't even play Conforto full time, and they are going to trade for Kepler?

I think this narrative needs some updating.

[Vanimal46]

 

So 600+ AB is the threshold?  Carlos Gomez had over 1000 AB and was a year older when the Twins essentially gave up on him and look what kind of player he eventually turned into.  Buxton is 23 years old!

 

Also, there's a 15 page thread on this site about the Hicks trade being awful. The Twins gave up on him after 800 ABs. 

[drjim]

Also, there's a 15 page thread on this site about the Hicks trade being awful. The Twins gave up on him after 800 ABs.

Yea, trading Buxton now would lead to some serious tears later.

[Tomj14]

 

I'd do deGrom in a minute. If I thought Kepler or Rosario could play CF (or Granite). 

 

I agree, it would be an easier pill to swallow to trade Kepler, which, of course, means he's less valuable and it would cost more......

I don't want to trade Buxton, but if it got us deGrom then we go get Cain this offseason. Then deGrom, Berrios, Santana, Mejia, and a combo of Gibson/May/Gonzo/Romero.

 

Dozier, Mauer, Cain, Sano, Kepler, Grossman, Rosario, Castro, Gordon/Polanco/Escobar/Adrianza doesn't look so bad.

Plus 6-8 new bullpen arms

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I think this narrative needs some updating.

The Mets don't have a full-time outfield spot for Conforto right now, if that's what he meant.  Of course, Granderson and Bruce are pending FA, although I'm guessing the Mets would rather target a real CF addition, Conforto is not a CF long-term.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Yea, trading Buxton now would lead to some serious tears later.

 

I'm not sure I'd trade him either.....but it's not going to be easy to get very good SP w/o some other pain. Your suggestion is, what?

[Mike Sixel]

 

I think this narrative needs some updating.

 

how so? Their manager said coming out of the ASB he wouldn't be full time. Maybe he's already changed his tune......but that's fine. Where will they play Kepler, and who thinks that's enough to get a great pitcher?

[Mill1634]

There is no way tbat the twins trade buxton this year. None.

[drjim]

how so? Their manager said coming out of the ASB he wouldn't be full time. Maybe he's already changed his tune......but that's fine. Where will they play Kepler, and who thinks that's enough to get a great pitcher?

He's not started once since the all star break. And aside from his dl stint he didn't start about 6-7 times since the beginning of the season. That's basically full time.

[drjim]

I'm not sure I'd trade him either.....but it's not going to be easy to get very good SP w/o some other pain. Your suggestion is, what?

Anyone other than Sano, Buxton or Kepler.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Are we talking Sonny Gray or Jonathan Gray?

[bighat]

 

Definitely wouldn't be opposed to dangling Kepler for someone like DeGrom. 

 

The Mets would never, ever trade DeGrom for Kepler, not in a zillion years. Nothing wrong with having fantasies but I think DeGrom is rated the #5 pitcher in all of baseball behind Sale, Kerhaw, Sherzer and maybe Strasburg or something. The dude's eeeeliite (with lots of eeee's) and would be trade bait for a player with a Mike Trout-style upside (and the Twins don't have that in Kepler or anyone else).

 

I don't think Kepler will get the Twins much, and they are better off keeping him and Bux. Rosario probably won't fetch a reasonable return either. The Twins FO has few desirables to work with (Kintzler, Santana, Dozier) and they should be careful about getting MLB ready talent for those guys if they go here, IMO.

[caninatl04]

 

Are we talking Sonny Gray or Jonathan Gray?

Jennifer.

[wsnydes]

 

I'm not sure I'd trade him either.....but it's not going to be easy to get very good SP w/o some other pain. Your suggestion is, what?

 

 

Anyone other than Sano, Buxton or Kepler.

I be more inclined to dangle Gordon than Sano or Buxton.  I'd like to keep Kepler, but I'd rather dangle him than the other two.  

 

I think that a package built around Gordon is more palatable in my mind.

[wsnydes]

 

Jennifer.

pre or post nose job?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Jennifer.

Now that's "Grey" with an "e"!  And don't make an offer that's just putting Baby in a corner.

[AlwaysinModeration]

I believe that the FO should and does consider Buxton, Sano, Berrios and Royce Lewis as untouchable in the Twins org right now.

 

Not that they would really be trading away prospects at this juncture. Aren't we supposed to be speculating on trading away some of the veterans?

[drjim]

I be more inclined to dangle Gordon than Sano or Buxton. I'd like to keep Kepler, but I'd rather dangle him than the other two.

 

I think that a package built around Gordon is more palatable in my mind.

I would also dangle Kepler ahead of Buxton and Sano, but I wouldn't do any of them. I'd hold on to the upside at this point.